Motorola CLIQ
 

Motorola's new Android-base CLIQ has a lower res screen and longer battery life than the N900, but otherwise seems pretty similar. Anyone care to make a point-to-point comparison?

Re: Nokia N900 versus Motorola CLIQ
 

the only similarity i see is the unified contacts, other than that its a standard android phone(which isnt a bad thing)

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(Hmm, how come this gets moved to the Competitors sub-forum whereas the iPhone versus N900 thread stays in the N900 forum?)

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iPhone is no competition. Not even in the same class. Android isn't much closer, either.

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And it is already featured on T-Mobile website
http://www.t-mobile.com/promotions/G...WT.mc_id=637m3

That means more eyes on it, hence more buyers.
This was fast - they demo the phone as well as T-mobile shows it.

MORE EYES - this is what the N900 needs.

Re: Motorola CLIQ
 

From: http://developer.motorola.com/products/handsets/cliq/

Processor and memory
Processor Qualcomm MSM7201A
Processor Clock Speed 528 MHz
RAM 256 MB
Flash ROM 512 MB
User Storage Available (max) 256 MB
Memory Card Type FAT32
microSDHC, Class 6
Memory Card Size Supported (max) 32 GB

Display
Physical Resolution 320 x 480 (HVGA)
Number of Colors 64K - 262K
Pixel Density 160 dpi

I got excited for a moment... but processor and screen are meh...

Re: Motorola CLIQ
 

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Well...it's ok I guess, but obviously not aimed at serious users as much as those who want Social Skills. The CPU is still the same as the G1/Magic/Hero/. etc. 256mb RAM is alright but more than 512MB flash memory would've been a Good Thing. Not a significant upgrade over previous Android phones. If I were still looking to upgrade my G1 this wouldn't get me to do it.

The CLIQ and a lot of other phones coming out lately like the HTC Hero, Pre - and the N900 - pay an awful lot of attention to 'social networking'. Now, I don't tweet or Facebook but I'm not a hater to those who do. I do send a few messages, some emails, post on the web now and then when time allows. But jeez, doesn't anyone just talk to each other anymore? I mean, it IS still a good way to communicate...guess I'm gettin' old...

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Well, actually I did. It was moved and retitled.

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I saw the Cliq in some site and it looks interesting, I like the D-Pad and also the keyboard is nice, good looking... but this is just another Android device not much different than HTC series... iPhone is the iPhone, the device, the unique name, not a series of numbered devices, and it is the standard now. Everybody compares with iPhone, or self compares with iPhone, the most successful smartphone ever. On a rising trend. Unbeatable, even by devices with better hardware, like better camera, hardware keyboard, better resolution... because the iPhone is already history, there were many rock singers but only one Elvis... The iPhone is the unbeatable phone king... hard to de-tronate :)

Re: Motorola CLIQ
 

Yeah, I agree.. maybe Nokia can catch up with the iPhone when they realize step 5. Right now the iPhone is too far ahead.

But Android is still a viable target :)

Re: Motorola CLIQ
 

In terms of what? Sales figures? No. Market share? No. Features? No. - ??? I sometimes wonder where this perception within this forum comes from.

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lol benny, stop being a fanboy.. you should read my message in context..

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Maybe I missed a subtle ":D" between the lines... language barrier. Well then it's just a general rant about Appleisms in this forum, not directed at you. ;)

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>> Sales figures?
Apple sold over 30 millions of iPhones.
Nokia sold 10 millions of s60v5 (touch enabled) devices, 5800+N97, but 5800 is only $250 compared to iPhone 3GS unlocked price of $690

>> Market share?
On the same smartphone segment, Apple share has grown in the last 2 years from 2 to 13%, and Nokia market share has decreased some procents...

>> Feastures??
With more features compared to 5800 and N97 at RAM and processor power and 3D graphics accelerator, but with less features in other terms like resolution, still, iPhone 3GS sells better than 5800+N97 monthly based.


I am not an Apple fanboy, I don't own an iPhone but a N series device, still, this is the crude reality. :P

Re: Motorola CLIQ
 

i dont know where got the 30mio from, all reports i have are much lower, but still: you're comparing said 30mio within 2 years to 10mio in 10months. also, you're comparing 3 models made by apple to 2 arbitrarily chosen models by nokia...
what's the point? selling an average of 800.000 to 900.000 units per month (depending on which you take as a base, your figures or mine) isn't all that exciting.

also, more than 50% of the iphones sold so far were sold in north america. of course this still counts for the global sales, but it shows that the iphone is a very local phenomenon.

i still don't understand the exact definition of "smartphone". it used to be a phone with PIM functionality. then they said it's a phone that allows you to install third party applications. now that even the cheapest phones can do all of this, a "smartphone" is anything - if you need an excuse for the high price.

given there's no clear definition of smartphone, i rather see the true market share: 1.5%. too little to stand out in any pie chart.

as i said, we seem to have different figures about monthly sales. also, i wouldn't compare it against these two models but the whole S60 lineup. but:
when i said "features" i was primarily thinking about things you can/can't do software-wise. starting with little things like copypaste that was introduced only recently (and before that, there was no way i'd call the iphone a smart phone) to real dealbreakers like crippled bluetooth.


so what we have in the end is a platform that holds 1.5% of the global market after 3 models, is sold almost only in the US and lacks basic functionality that others don't even mention in their spec sheets any more. - i wouldn't call this a target.

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BTW, have you guys noticed how much media coverage the North American phone companies (Motohorrible, Plam, Alppes, Crackberry) get when their device are launched? It is just disproportionate compared to rest of the worlds.

Lets say Samsung, HTC, Nokia or Sony Ericsson launch a device they dont get HALF or media space as those other companies do.

I am not even talking about the Alppes PR subsidiary, Engadget, but even if you compare other more serious news places.

I just think Yankees are desperate to regain first place at all costs even with this denial that other firms can/might do better than their firms.

Or am I paranoid? Am I?! AM I?!?!?!?

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You are not paranoid.

I hate the Yankees.

I'm a White Sox fan :D

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i always enjoy applause... thank you. ;)


have i ever called you that? sorry. i spent a few unforgettable months "over there" (back in the days when you could simply visit your country... before the new iron curtain), and i met a lot of incredibly nice, charming, intelligent, unbelievably attractive, friendly people there. and i'm well aware that my hero and saviour, RMS, is american. ;)

so i really try not to say it. :D

Re: Motorola CLIQ
 

Ahh thats the new way we need to call you guys nowadays? :p

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@HangLoose

You are right with the coverage of US devices versus rest of the world devices, and I'm not talking about a blogger opinion here, but about big US media names like CNN: they publish every little thing about Apple iPhone, even rumors !!!!! (weird for a so-called biggest news company) but they did not write anything about XM5800, N97 or N900 launch... That is not news company, is just a biased news company...

But regarding XM 5800 compared with iPhone 3GS, it simply does not deliver anything more, just stumbling UI and not so easy user experience... so I wouldn't say other firms had shown yet they can do better, maybe N900 to prove this... after its launch we can talk again :)

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hehe the in case of negativism Yankees will do just fine ;)

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oh, that... you know, when i wrote it, it was honestly meant as a neutral completion of this target group posting i replied to. more than 50% of these devices are sold in north america, so why not say it?

only when i read what i had written i noticed that in context, it comes across differently. i'm a jerk for hitting "submit", anyway :D

oh, and i was almost everywhere... michigan to florida, arkansas to south dakota, nyc, san francisco... loved it.

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Can you really blame this all on America media. For instance what channel would really turn down a cell phone ad for the right price. I doubt at all Nokia is really trying to put ads here for the simple fact what phones do they really have to show off thats subsidized and popular here. The iphone point blank is half hype/ half show off, i swear when i sit on the train and the way people hold there iphone while swiping through stuff is hilarious but the reason behind the hype is apple marketing is amazing. It doesn't take much to take down the iphone i mean look at the Zune HD people are going crazy over this device now incorporate The Zune HD specs to a phone and great marketing the iphone will be old news trust.

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two things:

1. twitter and facebook are one to many media. post there ones and every follower/"friend" will see it.

2. i have the distinct impression that online tech news is very USA centric, made worse by local blog/news pages that basically run the USA news thru google translate and post it as independent news...

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well i'm not talking about the online world i'm talking about T.V.

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tv, online, same diff these days...

btw, i sometimes wonder how many media houses rock apple products internally.

i know that quite a few media related courses more or less require apple products, and the first time i bumped into a mac it was used by a local newspaper to drive a scanner...

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Zune HD is from an North American company which just solidifies my point... ;)

Recently I was in Japan and China and the phones they use there are just fantastic compared to the slow turtles we get from here... And what do we hear about this fantastic thingies?! Nothing!! If one reads just North American news it seems that the world is dominated by iPhonies and Crackberries... That is how the media over there was, is and will always be. :confused:

Heck, even motorola showing the cliq made to the headlines in NY Times...

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...uncomfortable/

But try searching for the N900. Just a shared story with all the announcements of NW.

Now try cnet, engadget (yes, cos people still go there for their gadget news), gizmodo. The amount of info from North American companies compared to the other ones is just laughable.

I guess its all part of that "buy american"/"freedom fries"/etc way of thinking... or, I am paranoid!!!!!!!

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dont know, but i did a somewhat unscientific measurement by counting the number of iphone entries on the techmeme.com river page vs entries about N900, and came up with something like 20 to 1...

and that was maybe 2-3 days after nokia world.

still, this included news sites from maybe 2 days before nokia world as well...

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I thought the Zune was a Toshiba device. ;)