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Ok today Nokia just outed that all those customisation stories were just stories and there is no truth about them.
So if any one of you know who is going to do this phone in the UK, please lemme know i m due for an upgrade soon and this info will be really appreciated. I know eXpansys is going to this so if you know any other Network...please please please http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/...for-operators/ |
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If you want the N900 subsidised but without any customisation, just buy the phone with a contract from Expansys.
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expansys does cell phone contracts?! i thought they were just a store!
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They sell contracts on behalf of the carriers, in return they get a set subsidy to offer customers depending on monthly charge and the carriers dont have to do all the technical and warranty stuff.
Basically they buy a load of phones from the manufactures and you just choose the contract you want to go with it. (in the UK at least) |
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Sounds like something Carphone Warehouse do / used to in the UK too. |
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Im so there. |
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ps: those looking for an uber deal, seems like Tmobile and Vodafone will sell these and some peeps will grab one on upgrade and sell it on ebay and CEX, meaning you can usually grab yourself a deal.
I bought my E71 from CEX about a week after it came out, brand new, unbranded for £220. :D |
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wish i waited a week longer its seems theres going to be awesomely low competitive prices in the UK but i'm too eager and want it as quick as possible so went directly to nokia
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Could this not be possible that this reseller actually buys it from vodaphone in case vodaphone would be confirmed that they are selling the N900's ? In that case it would be branded, locked and even customized in who knows what way ! Would anybody help clarify this please ? the deal sounds irresistable , its a whopping £100 less ! |
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maybe this answers....
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/...60/p26078.aspx from the same reseller... still good, £50 less than nokia shop.:) |
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Good grief, this is like my wait for the TyTN2 all over again. Back then I actually borrowed money from my baby daughter to fund its purchase.
I'm surely going for an unbranded phone, and contemplating going completely SIM free but finding a decent low-minutes, high data access SIM-only deal seems to be a futile effort. |
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Guys, "pre-order" prices mean nothing in the UK. They contact you when the device is actually available, and quote you the current price which you can then choose to accept or reject.
It's likely that the re-sellers will be cheaper than the direct Nokia price, but don't count on anything until you can actually buy one at that price. |
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I got my Xperia X1 from http://mobiles.co.uk (part of Carphone Warehouse) and am keeping on eye on them for the N900 too.
I am hoping I can sell my Xperia to go towards getting the N900 as I am sick of Windows Mobile, its too unstable and seems to seriously lack in apps. I even tried writing my own but every time I found something useful it was not available on the mobile API, really annoying. I am hoping Maemo is more a case of "if its available on Linux, its probably available on the N900" especially as a lot of useful stuff is command line only so would only need a simple GUI written to make it usable by touch. |
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I also couldn't quite believe this deal, so got on to their 'live help' Hello Steve. My name is Webshop Customer Help how can I help you? Good news! Looks like I'm off to cancel my Nokia store preorder Although, I guess the Nokia store will be the first to deliver devices (begining of October?) but can't resist a 20% discount for a few more weeks of impatience.. :D |
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Wow, good work Withnail!
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Ok guys this is a long one, I just had a chat with a hopefully "live" ;-) agent at
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/...60/p26078.aspx Please wait. A representative will be with you shortly. One moment please... We apologize for the delay. A representive will be with you shortly. Webshop Customer Help says: Hello Kris. This is Webshop Customer Help how can we help you? Kris says: Hi there Kris says: i saw on your website, 2 diff deals for the Nokia N900. Kris says: one which is PAYG on Vodaphone for 398 and the other SIM free for 448 Kris says: what is the difference between the two as far as the handset is concerned , would you please clarify? and when is the stock expected ? Webshop Customer Help says: Stock will be the end of October. The handsets are the same, however the PAYG version is locked to the netwrok you buy it on. The sim free version is as it states, sim free and open to all network sims. Kris says: OK that explains, thanks Kris says: also Kris says: are the prices fixed or would it change when the devices are actually released and if i pre-order now, even if the price increases after the launch, i wouldn't be affected right ? i still pay the pre-order price Webshop Customer Help says: Yes you will pay the pre-order price Of course the one with the SIM is locked why else would it be £50 cheaper than the SIM free. quite tempting but still unable to decide , dont know what advantage I would have buying directly from Nokia........ |
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It's a pre-order. Just cancel it. I have now ordered from mobilephonesdirect. The subsidised price (£0 !!) makes it much cheaper. My quick calculations work out about £200 cheaper over 18 months (including a charge for the early termination of my existing contract). |
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I would suggest if the 50£ isnt too much of a factor for you, but it direct from Nokia, although the company in concern is said to be reputable but still you cant beat the real Nokia store aprt from the gurantee that you are getting a as nokia meant it to be product after sales service is amazing, a fact i can say for certain experience that is not available on mobile phones direct.
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In theory it is supposed to be locked if you buy on payg from a reseller, in practice it is often unlocked.
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As ive explained before, resellers buy a load direct from the manufacture and sell it on with a sim. |
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Typical.. I'd just cancelled my ordered from Nokia and placed an order with Mobile Phones Direct (MPD) and now there's differing opinion from the MPD support staff as to whether the N900 supplied on pre-pay is SIM locked or not..
I'll be quite surprised if the device is actually locked, if (as I was told) they are the same SKU as the 'Sim Free' boxes. I find it hard to believe that MPD are opening the boxes on devices to be sold as Pre-pay and applying a SIM lock themselves - I thought that normally SIM/network locked devices are variants customised for the network (along with settings / branding etc.) Does anyone else have any experience with Mobile Phones Direct unbranded pre-pay devices? I guess the $64,000 question is whether it is possible for us to reflash the baseband, with the aim of resetting any SIM or Network locks. If anyone has experience on flashing the Proto's it would be great to hear whether it is only the application layer being rewritten, or whether it's combined with the protocol stack / BB part. |
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Its just not worth the time and money for resellers to mess about with these things, they are all about volume, get em out as fast as possible for the minimum operating cost. Thats why in reality even the payg ones are unlocked. If your concerned, buy the sim free version from whoever you feel comfortable with. |
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i dont think its a good idea to buy the pay as you go as i was also told it will be locked. :S not a good idea.
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I'm due an upgrade at t mobile so I thought I'd call them up and see if my upgrade price would be a lot cheaper than buying sim free (doesn't usually happen as I'm on half price line rental for life so they make me pay for upgrades) and the guy on the other end of the phone said they haven't been told about the n900 being out end of Sept/beginning of Oct so he reckons it wouldn't be available until the end of October.
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£459.95 at Mobile Fun, 2 year warranty, ‘30 Day No-Quibble Money Back Guarantee’.
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/sim-free-...900-p21485.htm |
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there is nearly a 100% chance that the handsets obtained on pay as you go from these third party reselers are unlocked, especially since none of the major networks have announced it. Do you really think Vodafone or tmobile or O2 or any of these guys will take the time and the money asking Nokia for branded handsets and then not even sell it using their own channels. When they say pay as you go on a handset such as this one is simply the fact that these third party resellers have a tie up with the network wherin they promise to sell a handset with a network sim card for which the network might give them a percentage based subsidy. The network wins as it shows one more customer on its charts, the reseller wins because they just made a decent profit and you win because well you are happy that you saved 40 to 50 £'s.
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£392.99 is an amazing price!!
I would be very surprised if it's SIM locked too but can understand why retailers don't openly advertise this. Unless there are any better prices at launch I think I will purchase from these guys, but with a little extra "insurance." My plan is to confirm this via LiveChat shortly before placing the order, including their name and saving the log. (Repeat chat until positive outcome :p) In the unlikely event the N900 I receive is SIM locked I will demand a full refund, including P&P, under the Sales of Goods Act 1979 (as amended), section "Not fit for purpose" which includes circumstances when a sales person confirms an item is suitable for a customer's particular use (i.e. with an Orange SIM card). Check here for a summary of your S.A.D. F.A.R.T. rights. :rolleyes: |
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Thankfully I took the opportunity to email myself the transcript in case of dispute, but hope this won't be necessary. ..either that, or an N900 locked to Vodafone will be making its way onto eBay :p |
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I may be able to get it even cheaper, SIM unlocked, just waiting on confirmation... |
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FYI: It seems in the case of Mobile Phones Direct, buying an N900 on pre-pay with a lock is still going to be £30 cheaper than 'SIM Free' From the Vodafone UK website: Except for the BlackBerry Storm, we will supply a Network Unlock Code (NUC) for you if you've bought a phone from us on either pay monthly or pay as you go. A NUC allows you to use non-Vodafone SIM cards with your Vodafone phone. |
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This just brings out one question, even if a network actually locks a handset doesnt it only cost like 3 £ to unlock it and also when a phone is actualy unlocked does it mean that all the network installed crap is outta the window.
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Symbian based Nokia phones have historically been relatively easy to remove SIM locks, as has debranding by simply amending the phone's product codes to a generic non-operator country code, then performing a normal PC based firmware update. Update app checks product code and pulls down the latest revision, overwriting any existing branded one. No idea how this would work with the N900. Whilst most of it is open source, I remember reading somewhere that the cellular parts of the device are closed. |
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Just got word Carphone warehouse loyality confirmed today that they are getting the Nokia N900 for a mid october release. Also confirmed is the fact that it will be free on 35£ a month for a 18 month contract.
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What are O2 like for 3G data plans? Do they have Fair Use Policies, allow tethering, allow use of a wifi hotspot network, etc?
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Yes they do, its 250 MB on normal and 500 MB for business, still check up what is what on ur plan. Tetherin on iphone, I dont know but they cried devil when i mentioned it on my diamond, so I dont think you could get away with that. They have a range of wifi hot spots but again limited to the larger cities, I am from cardiff a capital city for that matter but still wifi is a very limited, if you are in London or Birmingham on the other hand then lucky you... |
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These are available on ebay. |
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A few days in to ownership, I was having troubles connecting to the web. Signal was strong, settings were correct, I started to doubt my iphone. I turned it on / off, did factory resets and restores but still no joy with internet. I called O2 to ask if there was a problem... must be the phone they said so I took it back to them for them to see. Wouldn't you just believe it, the internet worked when I took it back to the shop!! A few days pass and the problem returns, I turn to the internet in an attempt to find a solution, I then become overwhelmed at how many people around the whole country suffering the same problem. I had only just "joined" O2, so I just thought, oh well, a temporary problem, everything will be alright.... I was wrong, this problem seemed to become worse and worse. I ditched O2 and since using another network I have had zero problems connecting to the net. Visit the O2 forum. this problem is still happening every few days. It's a joke. Thousands, probably even millions of very unhappy O2 iphone customers at the minute. The thing I find most laughable in your above post is where you say "it carries the iphone so you can imagine it is quite beefed up" lol - it should read "it carries the iphone, so dont expect to be able to use the data network when you need it most" I think that where other networks spend money on their coverage and capacity, O2 spent theirs on getting the iphone exclusive... bad move IMO. As far as tethering goes, sure you can do it, but to do it with O2's consent will cost you (I cant remember if its £15 or £20) a month for the bolt on. There are ways around paying, but if O2 suspect you are doing it without paying, they will either charge you or cut you off. They dont like you doing it because their network is already far too overloaded |
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Get a T-Mobile Mobile Broadband dongle and stick the SIM in your phone. Suits me just fine - I rarely do more than 10 minutes of calls and a couple of dozen texts a per month. But I need/use a LOT of data So I took their Mobile-Broadband Max package @£15pm - calls cost 20p per min & texts are 10p each. My monthly spend is about £18 for using the phone exactly how I want (little chat - lots of eMails/streaming/browsing/file transfer) Also if I know I'm going to be doing extra data T-Mob will happily bump my account to a Max+ (=10GB data) for one month for £5 extra. I'm using an unlocked e71 - and it tethers quite happily to my laptop & N810. Should be a doddle to move to the N900 |
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