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gmgfarrand 2009-09-14 15:50

N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Ok, so the WiFi needed upgrading...

After adding the pigtail adapter, my WiFi strength has increased drastically!

Have fun with it!!

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I realized that my details did not post.
In order to get the back to sit flush again, I use a pair of snips and clipped off all the plastic that was not needed from the piece that holds the speakers. I basically clipped everything but the small area around them.

The white "divider" in the center needed to have a notch cut into it to allow the cable to be placed in the notch so as not to press on the back panel.

JayOnThaBeat 2009-09-14 15:54

Re: N80 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
But I like my N80 the way it is!

:D

Lord Raiden 2009-09-14 16:48

Re: N80 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Yeah, that's just a typo in the title. An admin could fix that easily. ;)

As for the pigtail, I don't like that. I prefer the compact wifi antenna idea that someone else had here not long back. The trick is, I'm not brave enough to mod my n810 and add the boosted antenna. :(

gmgfarrand 2009-09-14 16:49

Re: N80 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
You have a link to the compact ant?
I have done 2 other mods to the Wifi..

Lord Raiden 2009-09-14 16:52

Re: N80 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30032

There you go, sir. :D On a side note, given the amount of free space inside that upper area, I wonder if some kind of mod couldn't be made to use that as well, possibly even for extra storage. :D

Texrat 2009-09-15 01:26

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Your next mission, should you decide to accept it: do the same for GPS. :D

icebox 2009-09-15 06:15

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Cool,

Did anybody do anything similar to the n800?

Lord Raiden 2009-09-15 11:50

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Texrat, that'd be awesome. There's just one catch. Doesn't the GPS have a self contained antenna-on-chip? And if it does, then hacking that will be a bit problematic. Then again, what do I know? ;) But given what I've seen so far, even if you could get to the GPS chip and extend the antenna, where would you put it?

polossatik 2009-09-15 12:24

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Does this affect the reception when there is no external antenna hooked up or do you after this really need to use that external antenna?

barry99705 2009-09-15 12:50

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by polossatik (Post 327159)
Does this affect the reception when there is no external antenna hooked up or do you after this really need to use that external antenna?

Yea, you'll need the antenna unless you're in the same room as the access point. I did something similar to my Zaurus a few years ago.

@gmgfarrand

Did you cut the traces to the built in antenna? You might get a better signal if you do. Pretty easy to do, just use an exacto knife to cut it. If you want to go back, just solder bridge the cut.

nowave7 2009-09-15 12:58

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
So basically he can not restore it to the original state? I didn't get that impression. I thought he just soldered two wires onto the board, and connected them to the antenna?

barry99705 2009-09-15 13:00

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nowave7 (Post 327173)
So basically he can not restore it to the original state? I didn't get that impression. I thought he just soldered two wires onto the board, and connected them to the antenna?

It's reversible, he'll just have a hole in the side of the case.

nowave7 2009-09-15 13:03

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barry99705 (Post 327175)
It's reversible, he'll just have a hole in the side of the case.

Yeah, that's understandable.

gmgfarrand 2009-09-15 13:47

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
I didn't cut traces, wanted to keep it simple. ;)

You don't technically NEED to add an antenna to the adapter, you will get a signal boost without it, but then you wouldn't be able to do neat stuff like plugging in a cantenna! :)

The whole in the case would be "fixable" by a little epoxy, that's how the little bugger is held in there.

gmgfarrand 2009-09-15 13:48

Re: N80 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Raiden (Post 326830)
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30032

There you go, sir. :D On a side note, given the amount of free space inside that upper area, I wonder if some kind of mod couldn't be made to use that as well, possibly even for extra storage. :D

Yep, that's my post as well.
I like adding pigtails when I have them, it opens up alot of options.

gmgfarrand 2009-09-15 13:49

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 327021)
Your next mission, should you decide to accept it: do the same for GPS. :D

Where is THAT located?
After reading on these forums, basically I am understanding that the GPS is crap, so it would just be crap with a better antenna.
Not sure if its worth it...

wesgreen 2009-09-15 13:50

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
gmgfarrrand, thank you; i think i will try this myself eventually. great pics!
i'm also wondering
1. if and how this mod affects the reception without pigtail,
2. in percentage, by how much would you say does the pigtail increase your reception, and
3. do you think there is a way to modify or at least shorten the connector sticking out of the n810?

gmgfarrand 2009-09-15 14:00

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
You "might" be able to find a RP-SMA pigtail with a smaller connector, but I didn't bother to look, I'm impatient. :)
Using Wifiinfo:
I was getting about 15-25% signal before my first mod. (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30032)
and 35-50% after.

With just the pigtail installed and NO ANTENNA, I now get 80-100%

barry99705 2009-09-15 16:12

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gmgfarrand (Post 327190)
I didn't cut traces, wanted to keep it simple. ;)

It might give you weird signal issues with both antennas still active. That's why most of the "how to add an external antenna to your usb wifi adapter" how-to's say to cut the antenna trace.

gmgfarrand 2009-09-15 16:44

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
It it has given any issues, I haven't noticed.

maacruz 2009-09-15 17:08

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gmgfarrand (Post 327199)
With just the pigtail installed and NO ANTENNA, I now get 80-100%

That, I don't understand. Do you claim to get better signal with no antenna at all, just the connector?
I don't think that is real, it could be some kind of artifact.
Try to do some measurement of signal quality, like transfer speed at a given distance, signal/noise levels, rx/tx errors, ...
At least you should have a 1/4 wave antenna, otherwise there are no impedance match, and that means reduced signal transmision and power reflection back to the transmitter (which could overheat).

gmgfarrand 2009-09-15 17:24

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
The cable alone from the pigtail acts as an antenna.
Since no test was done before the mod, a test after wouldn't give enough info.

I can give signal noise levels with and without an ant attached if you like.

maacruz 2009-09-15 19:37

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gmgfarrand (Post 327305)
The cable alone from the pigtail acts as an antenna.

Could be, but probably an unbalanced one. The photos are very low-res, but the cable obviously doesn't seem a 50 ohm shielded, is it a 2 isolated wire? an audio cable?...
Quote:

Originally Posted by gmgfarrand (Post 327305)
Since no test was done before the mod, a test after wouldn't give enough info.

It is a pity...
Quote:

Originally Posted by gmgfarrand (Post 327305)
I can give signal noise levels with and without an ant attached if you like.

That would be interesting. Do a transfer speed test too.

You could even make a 2.4 GHz field strength meter to better measure your antennas:
http://www.mrx.com.au/wireless/TestGear2_4ghz.htm

rafanto 2009-09-15 19:47

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
this hack is very very useful for the wardriving with n810 !

gmgfarrand 2009-09-15 20:17

Re: N810 External WiFi Antenna MOD
 
The cable is shielded, the shielding is soldered to another point.
Someone have someplace they can host the High Res pics??
I can email them.


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