N900 on The Engadget Show
 

I haven't watched it (the video is HUGE), but apparently the N900 is getting the spotlight on the first ever airing of The Engadget Show. Nokia sponsored the event.

It should be a good watch!
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/t...er-ipod-event/

Enjoy.

}:^]~

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I thought Engadget wouldn't pan it at all - since they don't seem to be appreciative of anything Nokia - but of course maybe the Nokia sponsorship helped ?

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I wonder if they are going bash it some more for having a resistive touch screen. >.>

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Well, Joshua has already cracked on Nokia saying something to the effect of "they need all the help they can get," which is bad form considering the statement that they couldn't have done the show without Nokia at the shows start.

I'm curious as to the treatment the N900 will get, but I haven't watched that far yet.

}:^(~

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It's a bit annoying listening to Joshua talk. He needs to stop finishing the sentences of his guest (Palm CEO), and let him talk more and tell his story..

}:^/~

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wow I am glad they have a lot of bandwidth the ipod version is 700meg!!!! Yikes


the hd version is 1.6 gig.......have they never heard of compression???????


Epi

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Well looks like Nokia is finally listening to me....:D

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...3&postcount=18

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it doesnt paly on mine as well

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The so called n900 part starts from 55:10 to 60:00.

There is nothing in there regarding the device. Joshua is an idiot who is blinded by apple and again brings the resistive vs capacitative thing.
I hate engadget and thier apple centric fanboyism. Why did nokia sponsor this show. They could have sponsored a community show which would have been 10000000x better than what they discussed about the n900.

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Engadget has been on a steady decline since Block left.

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He says the touchscreen sucks, but he also refers to the OS as "May-Mo."

Maybe his finger swiping is as weak as his pronunciation research......

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Guy on the end (Paul Miller):

"I wish it had a touchscreen keyboard!"

Idiots.

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What...

Well, in the positive side, the open nature of Maemo makes possible to add a touchscreen keyboard.

Can you add a physical keyboard to an iPhone?

...:D

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Wow, i thought they'd at least try... Please nokia don't give these *****s a dime... go try with Gizmodo maybe? or others?

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Why gizmodo?

Just imagine a similar show with timsamoff, qole and anyone from nokia with their devices. It would be 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000x Better than what those idiots put up!

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Yeah, well, except for the fact that they already include one. ;)

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There is an on screen keyboard also. Bloody idiots. Full of engadgetism.

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man, these guys are just total a-holes. can't stand them

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Haha... Not quite the N900 review I had in mind. Still, they really didn't say anything bad about the phone other than the resistive wasn't as 'good as capacitive'. They even squeaked in a few praises.

Considering how they generally rip into Nokia, this is a huge win for the N900 and a fine testament to its build quality and the general implementation of the device and OS.

}:^)~

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What I thought was most telling was that they had so little to complain about. If the best they can come up with is resistive touch screen and brief anecdotal statements about "when it works", that is fine with me.

But really, this was no serious review or even an attempt at it. It was a "We have five minutes left in a really long first show and we need to unwind a bit." I am not putting a lot of weight into it.

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I would like to take back my thanks Capt'n Corrupt. :) That was the least informative 5 minutes of video (n900 starts at 55min mark) I've seen in a long time. I've seen more informative Pokémon cartoons than this.

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@Jay
Yeah, those complaints were about the screen and unfortunately made up much of the discussion. However, they did praise aspects of the os briefly (multi-tasking and smoothness), and didn't otherwise complain about the device.

I would have much preferred if they got off the 'resistive < capacitive' rant that they've beaten to death on the blog. An actual inspection into the device that's more than skin deep (quite literally in this case) would have been nice.

it seemed as if they were exploring the device for the first time.. The individual that had it in his pocket didn't know that there was an on-screen keyboard..... :p

}:^)~

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Don't worry, I shant keep you awake. I weep softly.... :D

In all seriousness....

I know this forum that engages in discussion to improve maemo generally likes maemo/nokia advocacy, but I suppose it's helpful to get a broader view of perspectives from outside the walls of this utopian society. I don't know of any challenges that have been surmounted by pretending they didn't exist.

}:^)~

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I agree with the sentiment that Engadget has declined deeper into Apple Fanboy-ism since Ryan Block left, however...

Josh does demonstrate the responsiveness (or lack thereof) of the N900's screen and I can tell you as an American, this demonstration will unfortunately resonate with many US consumers for whom the iPhone, and to a much lesser extent extent the Palm Pre and Android, are the only touchscreen phone(s) worth consideration.

It's pretty hard to argue that a capacitive screen isn't more satisfying and easier to use when navigating with your finger. Perhaps not by much, but Josh's demo is telling--whether you like it or not.

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I agree capacitative is more responsive but is worth compared to multi-tasking?

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I second that notion. I feel like I just completely wasted my time. It's not that they kinda bagged on Nokia and the N900. It's that they had no idea what they were talking about and had absolutely nothing worthwhile to say - good or bad.

Mostly, seemed they were trying to be funny, not informative. Ended up being neither.

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I personally liked that they brought up new technology that may include capacitive touch with character recognition for foreign languages which is possible as I read across the net somewhere. Its not a bad argument to present and ask for a step above the rest approach if u have the funds and want to make a mark why NOT? My only real complaint as I felt I was looking at a bunch a misinformed men talk tech was the nokia n900 does have a onscreen keyboard like if he bothered to click a box write a text or something on the device he would have saw that which i guess they didn't have time to at all play with it... If Nokia your sponsoring the show why not allow quality time with the device before hand so at least they are not talking out there arse...

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You can see when the tool running the show is swiping - the screen is partially moving but he just isnt swiping far enough - not a problem with the screen - a problem with him being an Apple fanboy (surprise surprise) and not having bothered to understand the OS/phone at all.

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I also thought resistive touch screens were capable of a higher resolution and pixel density. Doesn't the n800 have a better resolution and pixel density then the iPhone 3GS? o.O

Anyway, I really dislike their bashing of resistive touch screens. Especially from watching the video, he said it wasn't working well and you could see the desktops start to slide (haha). Perhaps they just don't understand resistive touch screens and how they work (with force) rather than capactative (with electricity). Them bashing resistive is like me bashing my cousin's iPhone 3G because when I tried to use it I couldn't get it to work (I'm guessing when your use to one way, fingernail or finger your use to it). But finger scrolling is possible on the n800 with certain software like Mauku and now based on anedoctal evidence from users here the resistive touch screen in the n900 is even better so it should allow moderate finger usage (though not as easy as the iPhone where you don't even have to exert any force).

Actually you can. But it's a hardware modification/addition. So it's even more unfriendly to most users. =P (it works the same way as those developing game pads for the iPhone. I believe it connects through the dock)

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@sachin007

In my opinion definitely not. That's why I don't own an iPhone and have an N900 pre-ordered. ;)

However, I am a "tech-enthusiast", "early adopter" and "Geek" that Nokia claims to be targeting this device to. In other words, a minority opinion. :-/

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@laughingman: Capacitive touch screens capable of the same resolutions as resistive as far as I'm aware (at least WVGA)

I'm sick to death of the touch technology debate. Clearly capacitive is best for finger, and also build quality as it lets you use hardened glass, but in many markets (like asia) being able to use a stylus is very popular due to pictographic written languages. I just wish HTC would hurry up and produce their patented capacitive stylus, the one that is the same thickness as a regular stylus and not one of the horrible ones available now, then we can relegate this argument - simply ship all capacitive screens with a decent stylus - end of debate.

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Hmmmm the screen tech as as far as i know has no bearing on the phones resolution the new HTC Leo is a 4.3in capacitive screen with the same resolution as the N900. Its the limit of the components used to render the display and choices of the odm not the screen be it resistive or capacitive.

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http://sadviolin.com

:D

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Ah, I got that idea from somewhere off this forum. But thanks for the correct info.

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The first sentence he should have said was that he is holding a prototype version and the software might change for the final product. But he didn't, that's the peanut brain category persons.

Anyway The n900 looked very small in hands and very pocketable, seems very promising phone then for sure. :)

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Ah, thanks man. I thought I had read somewhere that the on-screen keyboard was removed (the stylus one?).

I can't shake the feeling that when they were trying the N900 he wasn't even trying on the screen, just so they can claim later "it is worst than capacitive." It amazes me that such people get so much consideration... at least they have been called on their crap on the comments on their blog lately.

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Eww is that really the on screen keyboard? Is that just the full one like in Maemo 4? Is there a smaller one more similar to the iPhone? Not like Maemo 4 where the keys are so small you need a stylus or careful aim.

But yeah, they do give resistive more crap than it warrants. Yes it's less sensitive then capacitative when it comes to using your fingers (not fingernails). Does that mean it sucks? No, it's still usable, you just have to apply a little force. You can't just glide over it like you do with capacitative.

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Yeah the on-screen in Maemo 4 stinks (though I still use it for quick one-offs).. From what it seems like in maemo 4, the Onscreen is an app, which should make it pretty easy to replace with something more functional and less screen hungry. Hopefully the same is true for Maemo 5.

This type of thing could easily be implemented in python. Perhaps it's worth look into (somebody other than me)...

}:^)~

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ok, i've been following this resistive vs. capacitive debate for a really long time.

I've owned a resistive phone before (T-Mobile MDA), and I just absolutely hated them. I don't have finger nails, and I just like capacitive screens. But I'm in love with Maemo5.

Does anyone know if Maemo5 will be on other devices with capacitive screens? I just don't know if i can take another resistive screen...

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It's quite possible. And considering Maemo6 will have multi-touch I'm guessing Nokia is planning on moving towards capacitative? I'm guessing the reason why they're not used more often is expense compared to the more established resistive tech.