Sept 2009 Maemo Community Council Exit Polls...
 

Just for fun, vote in a exit poll....


* 1 Randall Arnold
* 2 Gary Birkett
* 3 Andrew Black
* 4 Alan Bruce
* 5 Jay Carter
* 6 Graham Cobb
* 7 Stephen Gadsby
* 8 Matthew Lewis
* 9 Valerio Valerio

Re: Sept 2009 Maemo Community Council Exit Polls...
 

Okay, I'm jealous.

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OK, maybe its time to update that :D:D:D

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Might be interesting to see if this correlates with actual voting.

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Err, the I thought the vote is an order vote, so, are we to pick our No. 1, or... ?

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Yes I probably should have made a multiple choice poll, just vote for your #1 choice

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I still haven't gotten any e-mails about voting yet. Is there something gumming up the machine?

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You didn't hear, Canadians can't vote :D:D

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Email dneary or speak to him on #maemo.

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Well, actually, the council voting method is STV - Single Transferable Vote so most of the time only your first choice matters. The rest is for the "transferable" part in case you first candidate will not succeed or has surplus votes. Details here http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...ch/002141.html

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I want to thank my two constituents. I won't let you down.

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I don't know in the US but at least in Europe the election polls run by candidates during the voting period are between forbidden and smelly. Am I the only one not very happy about this poll, no matter who started it and the final results?

PS: this is my personal opinion as community member and nothing more.

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Next thing there will be primaries, Florida style ballots (read: ala Jeb), etc. The first two elections were much simpler!

BTW - Excellent candidates ! Interesting to see the final tallies

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In all honesty I don't think it will impact the real voting nor likely reflect it. I mean, come on-- me tied for first? Pish. :D

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Except this data isn't taken from the real poll; its an exit poll. It is entirely voluntary. People are free to state nothing, lie, or truth. Exit polls are normal in US.

I don't like exit polls though, and know how I deal with exit polls. I do my uttermost best to DoS them... :)

Same when asked on which party I'd vote. 1) None of your goddamn business 2) Not relevant, only influences opinions making the popular even more popular working strategic voting in hand (nobody wants to see their vote wasted to a loser).

What happened during EU election was different. The Netherlands voted on thursday whereas other countries still had to vote on saturday and sunday whereas the Netherlands voting results were released on friday because 'they are always released a day after election day'. A shame. :(

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It was intended only for fun. Why are you NOT happy. It seems to show a great diversity in voting which is a good thing. Nobody has an edge over anyone else from this poll.

I am conflicted on polls in real life. It seems like most political polls are made to convince you of an outcome before it happens. This was not the intent here, it was not intended to upset anyone.

Again it was only for fun.

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I agree, I really think it should be taken down.

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We will post the actual data once the election is complete so why should this be taken down? How is this a bad thing?

I guess I just really do not see an issue?

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Hey, at least you got a vote!

I see my platform of eating children has been very fruitful, lol

;)

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I would say at the very list it might even confuse some people might think they are really voting here. Then there vote wouldn't count. Besides that it is just wrong to run a poll while we are voting this poll should be run before hand if you wanted to run it.

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You have never heard of an Exit Poll???

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I voted for everyone. You're a fine group.

As for the order of my vote, well, it's hard to say... ;)

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Yes I have but that doesn't mean it wont confuse some people.

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Really?

Title of thread clearly states "Exit Polls"

"Sept 2009 Maemo Community Council Exit Polls..."

The question clearly asks "Who did you vote for"

"Who did you vote for Maemo Community Council"

On top of that they get an EMAIL telling them to vote and how?

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Go back and look at the previous threads when people have wanted to vote. Perhaps people who aren't eligible to vote will think this poll has some meaning (when, at best, it's just YASOP[1]).

Of course, the comments should disengage them of that notion; but it's a bit odd; we've never had one before; it could reinforce certain voting patterns; it's potentially confusing and it's not - actually - "fun".

Instead of asking why so many people are saying it seems a bit peculiar and perhaps should be taken down/not down; perhaps you could say why you're so attached to an idea?

If this was me refusing to listen, you'd've been jumping up and down accusing a council-led cabal of not paying attention to the legitimate concerns of the "real" users! :-p

[1] Yet Another Sub-Optimal Poll :-)

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Again referring to Europe, exit polls in the voting day are allowed but they can't publish the results while the voting period is open. Precisely to avoid the influence to undecided voters.

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I think the major problem is that the poll was created by one of the candidates. If someone not affiliated with the election in progress had created it, it wouldn't have been such a big issue.

Tim

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I can understand the logic perhaps IF I were an admin and had some control over what the votes in this poll were. However this is just people voting, if they think its crap don't give your vote. Or vote completely opposite how you voted in the actual election its really just for fun.

In the US exit polls are run as people exit the voting facility. They are run by candidates on both side. The republicans will go to a heavily republican population and say "WE are winning" Then dems go to a highly democratic population and claim the same thing.

I am coming to a neutral place and saying hey who did you vote for? I have no ability to change the votes shown in this poll.

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Why not? Anyone can arrange an exit poll and publish the results. The question is whether these results are authoritative enough to trust the outcome.

Well, they're not, because they, by design don't have the same authentication and integrity measures as the real election. Both those who are polled as well as those who poll are able to meddle with the outcome of the exit poll. Exit polls are also never anonymous.

No, the issue is publishing real results (even partly!) while anyone is still able to vote. The outcome of this exit poll is not the real result.

Therefore, if someone would use non-maemo.org server to make some kind of exit poll we cannot moderate that. There is nothing we can do to stop that.

(My dislike of exit polls notwithstanding.)

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Right, but you didn't just start a poll, you published your own votes. That can have a certain tendency to sway other voters because they either (a) trust you, or (b) don't.

Tim

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I understand some of the concerns in this thread. But if someone is going to be influenced by an exit poll then he really doesnt need the right to vote. In reality most of the people who are eligible to vote will have sufficient karma to know the contributions of each and every one in the list and i am sure no one will get influenced by this poll. It would have been a different scenario if even newbies had the right to vote, since that is not the case, i think there is nothing wrong with this poll as long as it does not hurt anyone else in the community. Infact this community is open and as long as anyone is not effected by the post anyone can post anything and everything.

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People are constantly influenced by tactical voting. Our current election methods do not take this flaw into account leaving much room for optimisation. However, it isn't easy to reform a democratic system at its very core.

No.

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Just a quick note on the getting influenced by the poll thing: If you feel at all strongly about any of the candidates, do vote! The numbers are so small that every single ballot makes a difference. For example, in the last election, the threshold for getting elected was 27 votes, and two of the council members were elected with just 13 first-choice votes.

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This is not true with regards to the exit poll results reported by the US network news media for national elections. These are, in fact, funded by the networks themselves and run by survey researchers. For live election day polling, the voter precincts used are selected via random sample.

Of course there are several weaknesses in exit polling methodology as employed by the networks. But at its heart the methodology is statistically based, generally conforming to the tenets of standard social science quantitative research methodology. So, while not perfect, it cannot be said that exit poll results are shots in the dark either.

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I really, really hope this poll isn't indicative of actual voting not due to actual numbers per candidate but at overall participation here so far.

I still think the poll is a non-starter in the context of this election and am frankly surprised at some reactions.

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As far as I can see 35 people have voted in this poll, including 4 who were not able to vote and realized that this wasn't the real "voting". Based on that 35 people felt it worthwhile to answer the poll and only about 4 people felt it worthwhile to complain about it.

By my count that is better than a 7 to 1 ratio of people who don't have a problem with the poll. That indicates to me that most people are OK with it.

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Unfortunately it doesn't work that way lemmy. Those 4 people are not expressing any sort of satisfaction or dissatisfaction with any process-- simply saying they can't or didn't vote (separating those two might have been useful).

What you are looking for would actually require a poll about the poll. ;)

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Says the man is second place ;)

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That actually has nothing to do with my comment. People opposed to this poll are likely not voting on it, and I believe that set highly intersects the "shut up and stay home" set from my own poll. ;)

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I am aware it does not, that was friendly ribbing.

I never intended this to cause controversy, although I never do...