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Marieke 2009-10-09 12:00

Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Hi All,

I'm very pleased to let you know that we had a very inspiring and successful co-creation session on the 8th of October. We had a really smart group of people present, all eager to contribute to the project. We started the day developing a future vision on "Creativity on the Move", which resulted in 6 interesting scenarios. After a presentation by Nokia, 4 scenarios were chosen to further develop into detailed concepts. It resulted in 4 very cool concepts for Maemo, which I will shortly explain below.

On Saturday the 10th of October we have presented these concepts at the Maemo Summit, during the Maemo Co-Creation Showcase at 12:30 in the "Transformatorhuis" at the Summit terrain. After that, everybody was invited to provide feedback and help further develop the concepts. This was very successful, many Summit attendees joined us on the stage to elaborate on the 4 concepts.

On Sunday, we had another co-creation 'Garage' session in the Entry Hall of the Maemo Summit. The 4 concepts and the feedback from the day before were put on the wall and again, people were invited to further develop the concepts. Two visualisers were present to help make all ideas tangible on the spot.
The additional ideas people came up with that day are placed below as well.

I think after these 4 days of co-creation, we have some very valuable concepts for the Maemo platform, which are a good start for further thought and action. I'm working on making a separate wiki for these concepts, so they will have their own place on this platform where Maemo members can go to further develop them and share ideas.

Below are all the concepts and ideas that came out of the co-creation session and the Summit workshops with short description.
Of course you are all invited to provide feedback and take them to a next level!


Concept 1: Contagious Content
What is it?
Everybody is using a lot of content. This software solution will enable you to spread it around you and others can 'pick it up'. When walking into a room or on the street, you can see on your device what content is being used by the people around you. Same types of content create "heat-pools" around a person. You can see what content is used the most & might be interesting for you. People using the same content form 'groups', they are linked by preference. Outside of your 'profile content' are the 'free radicals'. This type of content is not really discovered yet and lights up as small dots. Once more people are 'contaminated' by it, it is not a free radical anymore, but becomes a heat-pool.
Wow-factor: Serendipity: the perfect way to discover new content in a very cool way
"Maemo-ness": a software solutions that can grow. The concept is based on co-creation, together you create the heat-pools

RESULTS CO-CREATION SESSION:

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RESULTS MAEMO SUMMIT WORKSHOPS:

On Saturday, the following feedback for Contagious Content was given:

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During the Maemo Summit, the first ideas for a UI was thought of:

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Level 0: there are 2 tabs: you can see what you are spreading (UI1) and what you are receiving (UI2). The content that you're receiving can be easily dragged to your 'spreading-tab'. When clicking on content, you'll see the results on the next level:
Level 1: More information of the content is shown, you can rate it, see who is sharing it, tag it, connect to other people,etc.


Concept 2: N-rich
What is it?
Content is exponentially created and tagged. How to find the right content or your own content history in an easy way and tag it in a smart way? N-rich starts at the address book: your contacts and the people you trust are right there in your phone. They bring with them an amount of content. When adding a contact to your device, N-rich collects all content related to this contact from all different content-silos (Facebook, Flickr, LinkedIn, etc): photo's, video's, contact info, and: tags. The tags are used to smarten your tag vocabulary, it is a learning system that learns what tags are most commonly used and how to best tag content in the future. When adding a tag in the future, it will propose the right name (predictive tagging). Next to that you will always have your auto-info: the "objective" tags: time, place, author. Secondly, you can use your contacts to easier find the right content. You can 'scale' them according to their knowledge and expertise. So if you're looking for a new car, the content and tags related to your friend that is a car-expert will be in your first 'circle' of interest.
Wow-factor: cross-silo, enriched tagging & scaling friends for high relevancy
"Maemo-ness": you can build on each others ideas and link it to Maemo contacts as well

RESULTS CO-CREATION SESSION:

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RESULTS MAEMO SUMMIT WORKSHOPS:

On Saturday, the following feedback for N-Rich was given:

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During the Maemo Summit, the first ideas for a part of the UI was thought of, focusing on the tagging of content with 'help' of your friends and other users.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2719/...1e7b6332_b.jpg

The content (here: a photo) on your device has automated tags (location, author etc), you added your own tags (amsterdam, N900..). Below that, you can see the tags your friends have added, which you can choose also. Below that, you can see the tags of everyone (at the event) added, from which you can choose again.

Concept 3: MAE Moments - Live Editing
What is it?
Live in the power of now. In stead of having to edit all your photo's afterwards, something you hardly ever do, you can now edit the picture at the spot. You adjust your settings (lighting, contrast, special effects, etc) with easy touch-screen sliders before you take the picture/movie. You aim, shoot, and voila: a perfect picture, all real-time, ready to store, share or send into the cloud for others to find & enjoy. Of course it is possible to keep the non-edited original as well.
Wow-factor: An instant & fun media capturing & editing experience
"Maemo-ness": open source software, everybody can add apps

RESULTS CO-CREATION SESSION:
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RESULTS MAEMO SUMMIT WORKSHOPS:

On Saturday, the following feedback for MAEmoments was given:

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Also, several ideas for applications were thought of:

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1. The blue colour is chosen to be edited on the photo. The camera recognises it and the viewfinder shows the result.
2. While you are making a video, you can add little items to the setting. For example some hearts/kisses/music note etc. They will be in the movie, when playing it later.

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Two problems that have to be solved relate to the plug-ins used for an application like this. Right now Gstreamer and Quill are used for either still or moving images. An 'all-in-one' plug-in would highly improve the usability of this application. Next to that, the plug-ins used have to be secured, the user has to be sure that his/her device can 'take all the action'.

Also, a first idea for the UI was visualised:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2442/...a82f61be_b.jpg


Concept 4: Joining the Band
What is it?
You are at an event (seminar/party/holiday/wedding, concert, etc): everyone is taking photos, video's, making notes, etc. At the end of the event, you are left with your own stack and it takes ages before you see the content of other people that were also there. This concept offers the solution: at the event there is one central spot, where all content is directly send to. At the end, everybody can collect all content from this central spot. You have created it together
Wow-factor: People come together: synergy with a very low barrier.
"Maemo-ness": Open platform, fast adoption rate, community tool needs community thinking

RESULTS CO-CREATION SESSION:
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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2596/...0bdb08c1_b.jpg

RESULTS MAEMO SUMMIT WORKSHOPS:

On Saturday, the following feedback for 'Joining the Band' was given:

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During the Summit, two different point of views emerged for this concept. They were both explained in case of a wedding.

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In this first, the central point is a tangible box people (bride & groom) can take with them afterwards. All guests have collaboratively helped create this experience.

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The other idea is that it all happens in the cloud. The subject is central (wedding) and everybody can hop on/hop off the collaboration flow. You get in, help create around the subject, synchronise, hop of, check in later what has changed, etc. The latest version is always available for you.

The first ideas for a UI for this concept was also created:
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Level 0: you see what you are working on, you choose 'website'
Level 1: you see the others who are working on this and what they have done so far. You click on the document
Level 2: You see the details of the document, you can edit it, view other comments, still see the action-lines to others who are connected to the document.

Last, two ideas emerged that have to do with sharing and trust, two concepts that are closely related to all concepts.
IDEAS FOR SHARING
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1: your device has a 'private' screen and a 'sharing' screen. You can easily drag items from one screen to another to ensure the right items are (not) found by others
2: 'Throw' the content you want to share towards the other device, where you can see it being received.

THE TRUST FACTOR
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When sharing content and interacting, trust becomes more and more important. You trust two of your friends 100% - you put this in your pre-settings for receiving content from them. These two people, who trust you, don't know eachother. But when one of them wants to share content with the other, the fact that you trust him, becomes the start of their trustbuilding. You are the aggregator of their trust, because you trust them both. The more they successfully share, the more their trus-indicator increases.

Flandry 2009-10-09 12:46

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
I don't really understand concept #1. By "content", do you mean web content? So, it's a location-based way to share in online experience?

eiffel 2009-10-09 13:47

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Here's my take on concept #1.

Suppose I spend the evening ten-pin bowling with a bunch of friends. Actually, some of them are even "friends of friends".

The next morning I fire up my Maemo music player, and there's a new playlist which says "by the way, most of the people you were with yesterday have been playing these three songs a lot recently, wanna hear them now?".

That would be great! It's better than music suggestions based on a social network that I must maintain online. This one dynamically adapts to whoever I'm spending my time with!

Regards,
Roger

HuangShan 2009-10-09 13:52

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
As far as I understand these concepts live in "the cloud". So we are talking about a (maemo-) interface to tap the beast. Fine. Thats a second step for me - the wow.
How about the basics. I am missing (after using palm III, windows ce, N800 and iPodTouch ) an intelligent PIM.
I want to sync (with a Mac I own now) like it was possible with the Palm, have a syncable ListPro I had on my windows ce, have iTouch-easy media access and opennes (working bluetooth, file system owned by myself with a scripting possiblity) like it is offered by N800. And all this with an iTouch easy interface. I hope QT will be a sound basis for the last point.

Nobody should be forced (or dream) to install palm or newton emulators anymore.

Is this what the poll is about or is it OT ?

Flandry 2009-10-09 14:13

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
I guess i'm not seeing how this isn't either a direct invitation to piracy or a thinly-veiled sales pitch if we're talking about anything but web content. Most other "content" people consume is copyrighted.

@HuangShan: I do agree that a polished PIM should be highest priority. The problem with showing up at this stage of the PDA/smartphone/It evolution is that everyone is familiar with the real meat-and-potatoes functions of a personal portable computer, and while those apps should still be the most polished, they don't impress the way "new" does.

allnameswereout 2009-10-10 00:36

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
#3: Allowing user to edit media (could be extended to voice) before live upload not requiring a laptop/PC is good option for convergence. Sure, you could say you need Photoshop and big screen. The option to edit on laptop/PC has its own +/-, this is just an alternative to that option to edit on laptop/PC.

Allowing image manipulation before media is recorded is an option, just like during or after, but the power of 'during' I question because you also need to hold the device. Using hardware keys to control my digital camera or Nokia E71 is already difficult enough. Don't know if a touchscreen is user-friendly in this regard.

I also find that, when running a lot of software on my Nokia E71, the video recording is worse than without anything running (wobbly effect).

With a picture the situation is different from movie as image manipulation is either before or after. Its just that the picture-taking application might be able to process the data with the 'changes' (image manipulation) on the screen instead of saving them, giving user feedback of result. Much like a LCD screen on a digital camera.

One could do post-processing on video or picture like with GNOME Cheese! these plugins (effects) exist and are ready to be used.

I wonder, would this feature require a -rt kernel, much like JACK is required for audio processing, because of latency?

#4: Maybe some pictures are private or bad version. Needs moderation. Its just a matter of tagging (when uploading) or having each other contact information to share data afterwards. To do so in real-time requires standard protocols and applications (for example a cross-platform Qt application using Bluetooth, or 3G + service e.g. Ovi). It could also be possible the image is uploaded to Ovi with tags, and that users have pre-determined tags they scan for, or combination of metadata (username, realname, location, date/time, event_name, etc).

#1 and #2: reminds me of NFC (RFID) and QR, which brings me to RFIDGuardian (a mobile/embedded RFID firewall, controlled by other device such as a S60 phone (over SSL over Bluetooth IIRC)). I quite like these concepts, but with all concepts I wonder what kind of protocol would be used. If not RFID (not available on N900), then which protocol? Bluetooth? WiFi? Do you simply carry or share a QR or RFID which directs someone to your 'social network aggregator' which they then read (hence other person requiring data connection e.g. 3G)? How will you do ACL? I can already imagine people speeddating^2 based on their 'tags' :D whatever the protocol will be, there will also be a lot of spam and noise (compare with Twitter) so the user needs to actively use keywords to 'hit'.

Also, because all concepts interact with other humans instead of sheer data with all these concepts there is a chicken/egg problem. Either Maemo 5 is not rolled out wide enough for this to be used between communities, or its not a standard, cross-platform application ported to other platforms. I don't mean the application & protocol have to run on every smartphone or mobile device, but if it does not run on Symbian nor Windows Mobile nor Android/iPhone its not deployed. There is nothing particularly bad with this chicken/egg issue, its just something to keep in mind; don't put the goal too high, its just a fun experiment. To minimize chicken/egg, evade interaction with other devices or humans; instead focus on processing/parsing data. All these iPhone applications which parse API/XML or even HTML and show it in a nice, HIG'ed interface each provide an abstracted way to interface with [such] valuable data, making it easier than e.g. web browser. There is a lot of space for the 'GPS application' to allow I/O, e.g. to integrate metadata drawn from concepts in map context, allow part of map to be embedded, etc.

allnameswereout 2009-10-10 00:42

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eiffel (Post 342562)
Here's my take on concept #1.

Suppose I spend the evening ten-pin bowling with a bunch of friends. Actually, some of them are even "friends of friends".

The next morning I fire up my Maemo music player, and there's a new playlist which says "by the way, most of the people you were with yesterday have been playing these three songs a lot recently, wanna hear them now?".

That would be great! It's better than music suggestions based on a social network that I must maintain online. This one dynamically adapts to whoever I'm spending my time with!

Regards,
Roger

Indeed, or: I like this person A, lets see what kind of music he or she likes. Or if you got a hit on a certain band or genre, you get alarm and look into. Or 'you see' (your device, who read their metadata, actually) a person plays a music instrument, and you detect, read profile, and decide to chat because its missing link in your band.

Thing is, there is issue of privacy. You don't want people to know your whole history after they know you for 5 minutes. Some things are meant to be shared later, or never, or only with certain people. So there will be need for ACLs.

Hogwash 2009-10-10 00:49

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Obvious problem with #4 (which I think is a very cool idea) - given very few participants in this communal experience, you would quickly run out of storage.

Hogwash 2009-10-10 00:51

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Obvious problem with #1 - do you think the porn aspect of this is something that people will enjoy being exposed to?

Hogwash 2009-10-10 00:52

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
PS. sorry for being a bit of a 'black hat' here. I really do think these ideas are very exciting and cool. Nice work ppl :)

allnameswereout 2009-10-10 00:56

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hogwash (Post 343001)
Obvious problem with #1 - do you think the porn aspect of this is something that people will enjoy being exposed to?

What is the porn aspect? (Made in Amsterdam? :D)

Hogwash 2009-10-10 01:27

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Dude, I know Amsterdam inside and out ;)

I was just wondering how you could prevent objectionable content being injected into others' devices...s'all.

allnameswereout 2009-10-10 01:57

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hogwash (Post 343024)
Dude, I know Amsterdam inside and out ;)

I was just wondering how you could prevent objectionable content being injected into others' devices...s'all.

Hahaha. I rather see a hot woman than someone tortured. Maybe I'm too Dutch... :D

Good call tho. Resumee, the sharing of data requires ACL on both input as well as output layer. This can be based on tagging. Eventually, people are going to use a feature like this for bad stuff; you see that with spam on e-mail, deep linking goatse.cx with UBB, etc. And simply banning someone doesn't work well, so we tend to create pattern regexps or block everyone by default.

Btw, I was also thinking about 'friends of friends', 'forwarding'. This can be very useful for networking in some specific concepts mentioned. At least #2.

ragnar 2009-10-10 07:43

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Hi, I was one of the participants working on the #1 concept, so I can share some additional (my) thoughts in regards to it. Naturally there are as many opinions and viewpoints as there are people.

The original brainstorm name for it was "Content flu". Similar to how the real flu spreads around populations, through physical contact, your content could spread around in the same manner. Every person (with his device) could select to spread around pieces of selected content, and likewise set his preferences over what kind of content he is interested in receiving. (For the porn question also.)

Now, then when walking around any place, whenever two devices with this software get close to each other, they would begin the process of talking with each other: trying to spread content that the other party shows willingness to receive, and receive suitable content that the other party is spreading around. The filters would naturally be there, in some manner or another, be them in the form of automatic learning, or tag clouds (every user would have a tag cloud of words: only content that would be tagged to match one of the tags that the user has set would be acquired etc.).

Now, whether we are talking about the actual files themselves, or just links to files can of course be questioned. It is rather easy to envision that rather soon almost all content will be available in the cloud. When you're passing somebody in the street, it is technically very hard to download full files, but passing links to files would certainly be possible. (And then somebody could extend this with a plugin that would first download links, then continue to send the full files, given that two persons share the space for a long enough time.)

Here the content discovery part kicks in. Out of 10 million songs available, the problem becomes finding the interesting content. Basically this concept is ultimately talking about content discovery. People do not promote random material, they tend to promote material that they feel most passionate about, i.e. "the best material". Now that I'm in Amsterdam, I would automatically acquire content that people here feel most passionate about. After a long day, I can come back to the hotel, review the content, dump most of it away, and then when coming back to Helsinki, I can be "spreading some of the germs" of best content that people in Amsterdam like.

Although you could also use this for "Nokia Sensor" type activity, of reviewing what are the interests and passions of everyone in the same room (which is also certainly a cool use case), I personally think that ... Well, if I'm in a room with an interesting person, I'd rather talk with them than begin surfing their most interesting content on my device here and there. :) And more so then review his content afterwards.

This physical dimension is something that no desktop experience can provide. For a new song, I would see "I got this in Amsterdam in 09-Oct-2008 from ThisCoolDude".

This would be the primary layer. Then of course based on all the real world interactions you could extend this information to the internet, for instance by visualizing "the spread of memes" (how this can be also seen), as really nice timelines, heatmaps, network maps etc.

The "flu" aspect is an interesting parallel, because it has a well-known pattern of action: "a new germ" can be very powerful at first, then based on how the first people react to it, we can set how quickly it would spread forward. Diseases fade over time, people can set their "personal immunity", for when they are interested in new content and when they are not etc. etc.

eiffel 2009-10-10 11:26

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 342994)
Thing is, there is issue of privacy. You don't want people to know your whole history after they know you for 5 minutes.

Needn't be an issue.

What I envisage is that it will be probabalistic. If you go to a party, you only get the content that was generally popular amongst that group of people. You have no way of knowing which individuals were interested in that content.

So, if you go to a Metallica concert, you might be exposed to Metallica content. No privacy issue.

That would also take care of the porn aspect. Unless the majority of your friends are into the same kind of porn, you simply won't see it. And if you do see it, it can only be because you have deliberately hung out with a group of people having that as their common interest, in which case you shouldn't be surprised to see it.

Let the numbers of the crowds take care of the filtering and privacy aspects.

Marieke 2009-10-10 13:36

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 342521)
I don't really understand concept #1. By "content", do you mean web content? So, it's a location-based way to share in online experience?

It can be any kind of content used on your mobile device: music, video's, photo's. Others can see the 'heat-pool' of what you are using and pick it up. It is a way of sharing and a serendipitous way of finding new content.

Marieke 2009-10-10 13:44

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HuangShan (Post 342569)
As far as I understand these concepts live in "the cloud". So we are talking about a (maemo-) interface to tap the beast. Fine. Thats a second step for me - the wow.
How about the basics. I am missing (after using palm III, windows ce, N800 and iPodTouch ) an intelligent PIM.
I want to sync (with a Mac I own now) like it was possible with the Palm, have a syncable ListPro I had on my windows ce, have iTouch-easy media access and opennes (working bluetooth, file system owned by myself with a scripting possiblity) like it is offered by N800. And all this with an iTouch easy interface. I hope QT will be a sound basis for the last point.

Nobody should be forced (or dream) to install palm or newton emulators anymore.

Is this what the poll is about or is it OT ?

Thanks for the input. The poll is about what concept gets you most enthusiastic to work on in the future. What concept has the most potential to become a Maemo success?

Marieke 2009-10-10 13:47

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 342588)
I guess i'm not seeing how this isn't either a direct invitation to piracy or a thinly-veiled sales pitch if we're talking about anything but web content. Most other "content" people consume is copyrighted.

@HuangShan: I do agree that a polished PIM should be highest priority. The problem with showing up at this stage of the PDA/smartphone/It evolution is that everyone is familiar with the real meat-and-potatoes functions of a personal portable computer, and while those apps should still be the most polished, they don't impress the way "new" does.

To which concept are you referring: Contagious Content?

Marieke 2009-10-10 15:39

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hogwash (Post 343002)
PS. sorry for being a bit of a 'black hat' here. I really do think these ideas are very exciting and cool. Nice work ppl :)

Thanks and: they are put here for you to comment & built further on. We hope they inspire you to come up with better solutions and get out the stuff that will/does not work! So also keep the 'black hat' stuff coming!

allnameswereout 2009-10-10 19:56

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eiffel (Post 343191)
Needn't be an issue.

What I envisage is that it will be probabalistic. If you go to a party, you only get the content that was generally popular amongst that group of people. You have no way of knowing which individuals were interested in that content.

So, if you go to a Metallica concert, you might be exposed to Metallica content. No privacy issue.

That would also take care of the porn aspect. Unless the majority of your friends are into the same kind of porn, you simply won't see it. And if you do see it, it can only be because you have deliberately hung out with a group of people having that as their common interest, in which case you shouldn't be surprised to see it.

Let the numbers of the crowds take care of the filtering and privacy aspects.

You assume popularity is the only viable method for filtering. It is not the only viable one, and its not fault tolerant. Ie. instead of going to the popular McDonalds I rather go to a restaurant a friend who is chef recommends. Chances are also, I already know McDonalds, because of its popularity.

Therefore, some kind of algorithm which combines various factors (such as popularity, authority) and based on intelligent profiling is required (OK, initially for fun project perhaps not, but if you want something scalable and usable...).

The question is which factors? This is difficult...

I'd say, assume not same weight for every person you meet, give friends (and friends of friends) more influence than strangers. And, allow to set 'good friends' (typical a human has 0-5 of these). This, together with popularity gives initially an OK result IMO. (But there is more necessary.)

penyeach 2009-10-12 10:09

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 343405)
You assume popularity is the only viable method for filtering. It is not the only viable one, and its not fault tolerant. Ie. instead of going to the popular McDonalds I rather go to a restaurant a friend who is chef recommends. Chances are also, I already know McDonalds, because of its popularity.

Therefore, some kind of algorithm which combines various factors (such as popularity, authority) and based on intelligent profiling is required (OK, initially for fun project perhaps not, but if you want something scalable and usable...).

The question is which factors? This is difficult...

I'd say, assume not same weight for every person you meet, give friends (and friends of friends) more influence than strangers. And, allow to set 'good friends' (typical a human has 0-5 of these). This, together with popularity gives initially an OK result IMO. (But there is more necessary.)

One interesting angle to study might indeed be the linking to your existing social graph with more weight given to closer/more valued/expert friends.

But one of the ideas that seemed interesting during the discussions (I was a workshop participant) was that of serendipity: stumbling upon something that's different from your usual social memes. The idea is that most people would be motivated to spread something that they find genuinely interesting and somewhat personal.

So, if people were actively selecting the things they choose to emit, McDonalds noise shouldn't also be a big problem (unless McD comes up with a campaign giving out coupons for those who transmit the message :().

lcuk 2009-10-12 14:46

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hogwash (Post 343000)
Obvious problem with #4 (which I think is a very cool idea) - given very few participants in this communal experience, you would quickly run out of storage.

the central conductor could be any type of computer available.

storage space would be an issue for hours and hours of videos, but most of the media we see from events discussed are not of this nature.

a pile of photos, some videos, and other media types depending on the event/users.

lcuk 2009-10-12 14:51

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
1 & 2 are actually similar in a way to the band one.

supposing someone started the orchestra app and supplied some data: "at the wedding of gary&tracy in manchester"
anyone in the group would have those tags available use.

Flandry 2009-10-12 15:03

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marieke (Post 343236)
To which concept are you referring: Contagious Content?

Yes, i'm still talking about #1. I'm having trouble conceiving of common, interesting use cases that would not involve copyright violations. Just getting links is, at least at that step, probably "clean", but the whole concept falls down in a world where intellectual property copyright is the default paradigm, and is litigation bait. Not something any sensible company is going to get behind as an avante garde showpiece.

I guess i'm saying that i don't see how this got from brainstorm (it's very interesting in concept) to something actually being seriously proposed as a valid design idea.

ragnar 2009-10-12 16:11

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 344510)
Yes, i'm still talking about #1. I'm having trouble conceiving of common, interesting use cases that would not involve copyright violations. Just getting links is, at least at that step, probably "clean", but the whole concept falls down in a world where intellectual property copyright is the default paradigm, and is litigation bait. Not something any sensible company is going to get behind as an avante garde showpiece.

I guess i'm saying that i don't see how this got from brainstorm (it's very interesting in concept) to something actually being seriously proposed as a valid design idea.

I think there are many flavours within this concept, and I would actually think the majority of them would be legal.

If the concept works within the scope of devices passing links to favourite contents between each other, I don't see anything illegal with that. (And given use cases where two persons quickly pass each other on the street, transferring something more than just links isn't even realistic.) Reviewing top interesting links and acquiring the content from the network would be probably even encouraged by the content owners.

Now, if this would be built as an open extensible system, and somebody would built another extension that would start in certain cases to transmit media files directly to each other after passing the links (in cases where we can see that the two persons are remaining in the same room for a while), certainly you wouldn't expect any company to ship with something like that out of the box.

Then again. I see it like this: Means for copyright infringement are already enabled on all devices. I can do a lot of copyright infringement even on my N900, by downloading material, sending and sharing it. It isn't even very hard right now. I'm not convinced that whether something is easy or hard to do it more or less problematic. It's the users that choose to perform illegal actions with their devices, if they choose to do so.

Then again, an extensible plugin architecture might also spawn some completely new and wonderful use cases. For instance combining flavours of concept #4 here: I choose to share some high res pictures I have myself taken with the device to anyone interested. Them receiving these pictures would spawn a spark of creativity within themselves, and something new would be created as a result of combining media.

lcuk 2009-10-13 11:35

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
hey guys,
I have just looked over the live editing one and realised something, wasn't part of the early concepts related to cutting and splicing video?

One of the guys gave an example relating to shooting a video stream, pause move/adjust/change settings continue recording - which is the only real need for live editing.

the artwork is concentrated on the photo aspects, which are taken care of relatively easily right now.

being able to do the simple video editing functions from the device at or soon after capture time is the feature missing that has been mentioned often.

even such things as cut and splice directly would allow you to shoot movies at an event, cleanup and organize your movie in the taxi and present live from the device at the aftershow party!

ColdFusion 2009-11-05 21:56

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Is there going to come some kind of product out of these ideas?

Is someone working on implementing them?

Marieke 2009-11-10 12:27

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
These ideas can be the start for products, but whether they will become actual products depends both on the Maemo community and Nokia. It will all be presented at Nokia internally, where they can use them for further development. But they are also a start for further development here online. I'm working on a special wiki for this.

Marieke

chrisp7 2009-11-20 02:09

Re: Results Co-Creation Session "Creativity on the Move"
 
Concept 1 sounds great in principle but you will need to have A LOT of people with maemo products for this to work in reality. Its like the Zune 'social' concept - great in theory, but in reality it didnt reach tipping point.

Concept 2 sounds the most realistic and with a 'wow factor'. Id add that perhaps this could enhance the contacts application (if possible) so that all photos tagged to a contact show up in the contact profile.


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