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sschueller 2009-10-19 04:58
Nokia N900 vs. Motorola Droid / Milestone
 
Is it just me or does anyone else find the new Droid phone from Motorola ugly?

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/...roid-hands-on/

It has similar specs to the N900 so I wonder how it compares.

nikolajhendel 2009-10-19 05:07
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
it's not a final design - AFAIK (but yes - I find it ugly too), but then again Motorola has never been to my liking.

JayOnThaBeat 2009-10-19 05:12
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
4 row Keyb + d-pad.... a thing of beauty ;)

UCOMM 2009-10-19 05:17
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
its not bad, its preproduction, i'm sure they'll tighten it up real nice for a gsm release later on down the road

i like the desktop cradle -> weather/clock/widget display idea!

joshua.maverick 2009-10-19 05:26
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
but its so thin, i wish the n900 was thinner... Bah.

spinnukur 2009-10-19 06:04
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joshua.maverick (Post 350919)
but its so thin, i wish the n900 was thinner... Bah.
Nokia > Motorola

mece 2009-10-19 06:26
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Looks like a calculator from the 80ies. Nice specs though. Android, yuck, not my cup o tea.

gerbick 2009-10-19 06:38
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
I don't find the way it's designed attractive, but OMAP3 and a four row keyboard and Android 2.0... I find that attractive.

les_garten 2009-10-19 06:40
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sschueller (Post 350901)
Is it just me or does anyone else find the new Droid phone from Motorola ugly?

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/...roid-hands-on/

It has similar specs to the N900 so I wonder how it compares.
Well, is it truly any Uglier than it's name? Poor phone!

franklinn 2009-10-19 06:55
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by les_garten (Post 350954)
Well, is it truly any Uglier than it's name? Poor phone!

I dont find it ugly at all and its far from a POOR phone. Stop being so blindly biased. In more ways ways it looks better than N900 and more feature complete + superior.

The big screen 3.7 vs 3.5, full 4 row keyboard vs 3 row and perversely placed space key, yet the DROID is still thinner and lighter than N900.

Where is the compass in N900, where is the capacitive screen and multitouch, bigger battery where are the basic apps, Sorry Mauku is ok but v basic, BBC iPlayer etc ?.

Nokia has wasted enough time releasing the N900 and with phones like HD2 and now this amazing DRIOD. I fear the N900 will be DOA and fail to deliver on its promise. As for NOKIA > Moto, dont forget that Moto was making mobiles while NOK was making rubber boots.

Sorry but Nokia has been moving at snails pace and has lost the plot completely. Hopefully they wake up by Maemo 6 but that may be too late.

:eek:

ohwut 2009-10-19 07:12
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by franklinn (Post 350956)
I dont find it ugly at all and its far from a POOR phone. Stop being so blindly biased. In more ways ways it looks better than N900 and more feature complete + superior.

The big screen 3.7 vs 3.5, full 4 row keyboard vs 3 row and perversely placed space key, yet the DROID is still thinner and lighter than N900.

Where is the compass in N900, where is the capacitive screen and multitouch, bigger battery where are the basic apps, Sorry Mauku is ok but v basic, BBC iPlayer etc ?.

Nokia has wasted enough time releasing the N900 and with phones like HD2 and now this amazing DRIOD. I fear the N900 will be DOA and fail to deliver on its promise. As for NOKIA > Moto, dont forget that Moto was making mobiles while NOK was making rubber boots.

Sorry but Nokia has been moving at snails pace and has lost the plot completely. Hopefully they wake up by Maemo 6 but that may be too late.

:eek:
In my nightmares mostly.

While I agree the DROID is a wonderful phone, and it's actually a phone which gives it a slight edge. Personally...I'm a fan of Resistive Screens, Bulky hardware, and devices that aren't handed to teenagers for $200.

I'm willing to bet though the N900 is going to have far superior build quality, and having used every build of android since I first picked up my ADP1 I can say I'm truly tired of the platform, it has plenty off apps sure, I personally feel that until I see 2.0 in action that I'm still going to be unimpressed.

But I'm still unimpressed by Maemo 5, but it's something new I guess, and definitely has much more room to grow, and it's openness will give the platform much more ability to expand without having Cease and Desist letters involved.



P.S. I fail to see how the DynaTAC gives them any edge in the current market.

UCOMM 2009-10-19 07:12
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
its thinner and lighter than an iphone, gotta give credit where its due

UCOMM 2009-10-19 07:14
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by franklinn (Post 350956)
As for NOKIA > Moto, dont forget that Moto was making mobiles while NOK was making rubber boots.
sshhh don't tell the lotus eaters that

that argument only works one way for them

les_garten 2009-10-19 07:35
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by franklinn (Post 350956)
I dont find it ugly at all and its far from a POOR phone. Stop being so blindly biased. In more ways ways it looks better than N900 and more feature complete + superior.

The big screen 3.7 vs 3.5, full 4 row keyboard vs 3 row and perversely placed space key, yet the DROID is still thinner and lighter than N900.

Where is the compass in N900, where is the capacitive screen and multitouch, bigger battery where are the basic apps, Sorry Mauku is ok but v basic, BBC iPlayer etc ?.

Nokia has wasted enough time releasing the N900 and with phones like HD2 and now this amazing DRIOD. I fear the N900 will be DOA and fail to deliver on its promise. As for NOKIA > Moto, dont forget that Moto was making mobiles while NOK was making rubber boots.

Sorry but Nokia has been moving at snails pace and has lost the plot completely. Hopefully they wake up by Maemo 6 but that may be too late.

:eek:
Ok, come on now! Quit cracking crazy jokes like this! I just can't quit laughing!

spinnukur 2009-10-19 07:50
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by franklinn (Post 350956)
I dont find it ugly at all and its far from a POOR phone. Stop being so blindly biased. In more ways ways it looks better than N900 and more feature complete + superior.

The big screen 3.7 vs 3.5, full 4 row keyboard vs 3 row and perversely placed space key, yet the DROID is still thinner and lighter than N900.

Where is the compass in N900, where is the capacitive screen and multitouch, bigger battery where are the basic apps, Sorry Mauku is ok but v basic, BBC iPlayer etc ?.

Nokia has wasted enough time releasing the N900 and with phones like HD2 and now this amazing DRIOD. I fear the N900 will be DOA and fail to deliver on its promise. As for NOKIA > Moto, dont forget that Moto was making mobiles while NOK was making rubber boots.

Sorry but Nokia has been moving at snails pace and has lost the plot completely. Hopefully they wake up by Maemo 6 but that may be too late.

:eek:

You can't really compare the Droid to the N900. Droid is Android, N900 is Linux. I for one like so many other people like the resistive screen that the N900, solely based on the fact that capacitive can get on your nerves because of missed touches. It's hard to hit small things on a capacitive screen ( I have a 3GS, and had a 3G and I hate it ) whereas resistive just use your stylus. Every single person who has reviewed the N900 has said they can't believe it's a resistive screen, because it's so responsive.

Your opinion is your opinion, we all have ours, but personally the way this phone is styled imo, looks like every other Motorola and Verizon phone. The keyboard is nice, bigger battery obviously means it's a power hog, haven't really experience Android at all myself. Everyone has a different need for what they want in a phone.

HD2 on the other hand, I absolutely love. All the early reviews and videos that I have seen have stated HTC has basically gutted the WinMo operating system and you can't really tell that it's a WinMo operating system. Huge display, awesome processor, though no word yet on the memory size, some people are saying 8GB, while others are saying 16GB. It's a phone I will definitely purchase early next year as a JD graduate for myself. N900 plus HD2, and I'll be set for quite some time.

I highly doubt this phone is going to be DOA, especially since it's considered to be one of the most anticipated devices of the year. What other phone has a Linux OS in it? Not to mention the hardware is very nice, as well as the 48 GB memory ( when you include the 16GB microSDHC ). You obviously don't like people dissing Android or Motorola, so you attack the N900...opinions are like *******s, everyone has one...but don't go the offensive because people are expressing their opinions about something they don't like but you can't grasp why.

Motorola might have been making phones before Nokia, but Nokia was making smartphones before Motorola even knew what the definition of 'smartphone' meant. I'm sure this is a nice phone and it'll meet the needs of the people that get it, just like the N900 will mine but imo... Nokia > Motorola

spinnukur 2009-10-19 07:54
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by UCOMM (Post 350962)
its thinner and lighter than an iphone, gotta give credit where its due
It's thicker then the 3GS, re-read the review.

"It’s thin. Just slightly thicker than an iPhone 3GS and the thinnest QWERTY-slider we’ve ever seen"

franklinn 2009-10-19 08:28
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spinnukur (Post 350990)
You can't really compare the Droid to the N900. Droid is Android, N900 is Linux. I for one like so many other people like the resistive screen that the N900, solely based on the fact that capacitive can get on your nerves because of missed touches. It's hard to hit small things on a capacitive screen ( I have a 3GS, and had a 3G and I hate it ) whereas resistive just use your stylus. Every single person who has reviewed the N900 has said they can't believe it's a resistive screen, because it's so responsive.

Your opinion is your opinion, we all have ours, but personally the way this phone is styled imo, looks like every other Motorola and Verizon phone. The keyboard is nice, bigger battery obviously means it's a power hog, haven't really experience Android at all myself. Everyone has a different need for what they want in a phone.






HD2 on the other hand, I absolutely love. All the early reviews and videos that I have seen have stated HTC has basically gutted the WinMo operating system and you can't really tell that it's a WinMo operating system. Huge display, awesome processor, though no word yet on the memory size, some people are saying 8GB, while others are saying 16GB. It's a phone I will definitely purchase early next year as a JD graduate for myself. N900 plus HD2, and I'll be set for quite some time.

I highly doubt this phone is going to be DOA, especially since it's considered to be one of the most anticipated devices of the year. What other phone has a Linux OS in it? Not to mention the hardware is very nice, as well as the 48 GB memory ( when you include the 1GB microSDHC ). You obviously don't like people dissing Android or Motorola, so you attack the N900...opinions are like *******s, everyone has one...but don't go the offensive because people are expressing their opinions about something they don't like but you can't grasp why.

Motorola might have been making phones before Nokia, but Nokia was making smartphones before Motorola even knew what the definition of 'smartphone' meant. I'm sure this is a nice phone and it'll meet the needs of the people that get it, just like the N900 will mine but imo... Nokia > Motorola

Fair points. I am as much a Nokia fan as any but very frustrated they are letting others set the pace. I mean Moto or worse, HTC should not be more up to date than Nokia. We know that Nokia can do better than the bug infested n97 so should be sincere and tell the emperor it is naked or it will be dethroned to our own anguish.

gerbick 2009-10-19 08:53
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spinnukur (Post 350990)
You can't really compare the Droid to the N900. Droid is Android, N900 is Linux.
Technically speaking, Android is Linux.

vkv.raju 2009-10-19 09:00
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 351013)
Technically speaking, Android is Linux.
Well, both maemo and Android are based on linux.
But the % of linux and openness in each vary significantly.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

gerbick 2009-10-19 09:05
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Look at his verbiage. It seems like he was stating that Android was a different beast... when it's based on the Linux kernel.

ewan 2009-10-19 09:48
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Android is a very different beast. The kernel doesn't have that much direct impact on what the user sees and experiences, and Android has a unique userspace, whereas the N900 is much more like a scaled down desktop unix.

Ovek 2009-10-19 10:05
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Droid does sounds impressive it's a bit of a box in the looks department (the back looks nice! ;)) but then the N900 is just a big lump of nondescript black plastic.

BatPenguin 2009-10-19 10:14
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ewan (Post 351049)
Android is a very different beast. The kernel doesn't have that much direct impact on what the user sees and experiences, and Android has a unique userspace, whereas the N900 is much more like a scaled down desktop unix.
Damn. I'll have to go tell my OpenWRT router and my Linkstation hard drive running Debian now that they're not real Linuxes, neither one of those bad boys even has X. Silly me, I thought Linux was just the kernel. Wish me luck!

gerbick 2009-10-19 11:34
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ewan (Post 351049)
Android is a very different beast. The kernel doesn't have that much direct impact on what the user sees and experiences, and Android has a unique userspace, whereas the N900 is much more like a scaled down desktop unix.
You may program for it differently; however having a Linux kernel pretty much dictates that it is Linux based. And thusly so, both are Linux derived OS's.

Not picking fights here; however the OS is usually dictated by the kernel.

beelerb 2009-10-19 11:37
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Pros [of the Droid on Verizon]:
1. Greater higher speed data network access than (most likely) anyone else in the US. Verizon has great coverage. This is a huge pro for some folks but IMO overrated for many.
2. Java. It'll be here soon for the N900 but not today.

Cons:
1. It's a Motorola. Once they built nice mobiles but IMO not anymore. When Nokia wants to build first class hardware they can and do it better then anyone else. The fit and finish on my trusty E61i is impressive. I have yet to find a Moto device that compares.
2. Locking users and most apps out of the GPS chipset ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon...ertain_devices )
3. Verizon customer service, while better than AT&T is still a far cry from TMO. I've been with TMO since the VS days and their customer service has always been excellent.
4. The Droid is mostly new while many parts of the N900 have been in use since the 770. New designs are never perfect (like the WSOD on the 770). The N900 should have less defects due to it's maturity.
5. Android is still pretty locked down compared to the N900. The idea of buying hardware and having to hack though useless layers of security to run my own stuff is odious. My money, my hardware. While Android is better then most it's still not as free as the N900.
6. No control key. How are you suppose to use emacs? =)

Either way:
1. Cost. While the unsubsidized price will likely be less than the N900 the subsidized price could be more considering Verizon's rates [compared to TMO].

In the end I believe the two devices mostly address different audiences and are not strongly competing against each other. It looks like from the ad I saw they're directly going after the iPhone which IMO is bound to fail. No one beats Apple at a game they created.

ewan 2009-10-19 11:48
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BatPenguin (Post 351062)
Damn. I'll have to go tell my OpenWRT router and my Linkstation hard drive running Debian now that they're not real Linuxes, neither one of those bad boys even has X. Silly me, I thought Linux was just the kernel. Wish me luck!
Linux is just the kernel; that's pretty much my entire point. What determines the user visible character of the system is mostly not the kernel, but the userspace. Your boxes are running a Debian userspace, and will look a lot like other Debian systems (and Maemo). They will also look a lot like Debian/kfreebsd and Nexenta systems too, which have similar userspaces but different kernels. They will all look very different to Android, which is undeniably Linux, but presents a very different interface to the user and to applications.

chritto 2009-10-19 12:04
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by beelerb (Post 351106)
Pros [of the Droid on Verizon]:
1. Greater higher speed data network access than (most likely) anyone else in the US. Verizon has great coverage. This is a huge pro for some folks but IMO overrated for many.
If the N900 comes unlocked, then this certainly isn't an advantage over it.

mdl 2009-10-19 12:17
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by beelerb (Post 351106)
Pros [of the Droid on Verizon]:
6. No control key. How are you suppose to use emacs? =)
It's also Android, which means you're not going to be able to run emacs except remotely via ssh.

mdl 2009-10-19 12:24
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 351104)
You may program for it differently; however having a Linux kernel pretty much dictates that it is Linux based. And thusly so, both are Linux derived OS's.

Not picking fights here; however the OS is usually dictated by the kernel.
Yes, semantically this is correct.

I think the term missing here is POSIX. Android is not POSIX-compliant, and you're limited to the Android API. Thus Android is just not as open or hackable as Maemo.

The debate here is really about openness, not whether the device runs the Linux kernel.

iamNarada 2009-10-19 12:28
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
I wonder if it has hardware support for USB host or USB on the go.

fms 2009-10-19 12:35
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
The hardware design looks just fine to me, and the specs sound wonderful. Android is somewhat of a showstopper there though.

mece 2009-10-19 12:37
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by les_garten (Post 350954)
Well, is it truly any Uglier than it's name? Poor phone!
What do you mean? It has an awesome name!

mece 2009-10-19 12:45
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdl (Post 351139)
I think the term missing here is POSIX. Android is not POSIX-compliant, and you're limited to the Android API.
Exactly! Pong phone!

Ludio 2009-10-19 12:59
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Android 2.0 Moto Droid looks more polish and finally grown up to the iterations before it. It will sell well and is a solid looking package... The more competition there is to concur the better maemo has to be too succeed mainstream it's not bad when others do better. It's what happens after you get beat that counts do you hit the gym film room and put the hours in or fold up and check out. I will be getting maemo5 based n900 as it is unfinished but it's new with great room for growth if the effort is exerted. We will see how much talk Nokia is after the dust has settled. Let android web is iPhone do we'll it long term adds to what Nokia user base will expect and implement as well offer there own unique services as well... At least one can wish!

gerbick 2009-10-19 13:02
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdl (Post 351139)
Yes, semantically this is correct.

I think the term missing here is POSIX. Android is not POSIX-compliant, and you're limited to the Android API. Thus Android is just not as open or hackable as Maemo.

The debate here is really about openness, not whether the device runs the Linux kernel.
Thanks for your insight... however I have one simple question.

Not having emacs and such; what are you missing in a phone as such though? Odd question, but I feel as if you would have an answer I'd appreciate.

Thanks again.

vdx29 2009-10-19 13:10
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sschueller (Post 350901)
Is it just me or does anyone else find the new Droid phone from Motorola ugly?

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/...roid-hands-on/

It has similar specs to the N900 so I wonder how it compares.
The N900 is no looker either. And as a slightly-more-than-average end user I find android a better OS than maemo. Sure maemo has potential, but the android has matured nicely. Maemo might have by the next release of maemo 6.

Still waiting for the rumoured HTC dragon. Till then I guess the N900 will do.

UCOMM 2009-10-19 13:12
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdl (Post 351139)
The debate here is really about openness, not whether the device runs the Linux kernel.

mainstream couldnt give a rats *** about openness or Linux, just whether it works, and is it easy to use*

the same way they don't give a **** about how a standard transmission lets you have greater control than an automatic transmission in a car



*just so you know



of course we're not the mainstream here :D which is why i shave with a straight edge razor, drive with a manual trans, write with a fountain pen and have a n900 preordered

Rushmore 2009-10-19 13:58
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Take it from me who has used Android and the G1 for over a year now.

The best apps came out when the device launched and "almost" everything since then is the same junk. There is no API access, so no new codecs or other hardware dependent apps can be made and the app memory is too low. The OS also gets bogged down a lot.

Even the game emulators on it are bogged down due to byte code layer translation. Some do play great, but use too much cpu clock to get it done and you MUST be able to overclock.

That being said, 3430 chipset should make a lot of issues better in regards to performance. Game emulators should all be smoother now, but it is taking a lot of hardware to make it better (kind of like Vista). Then again, Motorola is probably capping the CPU to conserve battery and you can not overclock unless you can root the device.

If you like apps, Android sucks, unless you like similar apps and do not mind running (quickly) out of space. There is no virtual app space unless you root your phone and that assumes 2.0 will allow it or it is not complex to do on the Sholes.

Android is just as bad as iPhone's OS but different ways. You can get emulators and other "like" apps for Android without rooting (for now at least), but Apple offers far more robust API support in their SDK. Apple also does not have LESS THAN 256megs for apps and the same apps on the iPhone are better than the Android versions.

Still, the true killer for Android is app space- it does not have much and is like building a shopping mall (app market) with no parking (app space).

The N900 and Maemo should not even be discussed in the same restricted, constrained, shallow world as Android or Apple, for that matter.

Flandry 2009-10-19 14:23
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chritto (Post 351124)
If the N900 comes unlocked, then this certainly isn't an advantage over it.
Not true: Verizon Wireless uses CDMA. No matter how unlocked your N900 is, you can't use the VZW network, which is indisputably the best for coverage overall in the US.

Unfortunately, VZW fails in every single other metric.

mistermix 2009-10-19 14:24
Re: N900 vs. Motorola Droid (Verizon Android device)
 
On the apps issue, Android runs the Google Apps - specifically Maps, which is far better than the current rev of Ovi maps on the N900 (according to reviews). I think it's fair to assume that, short term, Android will get more native Google apps than N900. I doubt that Google is developing for Maemo 5. Maybe Maemo 6.


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