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ioioio 2009-10-21 15:00

Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/21/d...and-wifi-vide/

I don't know how real the video is, but it looks like Dell has found the Internet Tablet form factor, after Nokia lost it with the n900. n810 turning over in his grave.

Romeo0119 2009-10-21 15:06

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Its still just android....

Texrat 2009-10-21 15:07

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I can't call that "what the N900 should have been". Who wants a phone that big, except maybe on their desk?

However, I *can* see it as what the "N820" should have been...

mece 2009-10-21 15:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Romeo0119 (Post 353984)
Its still just android....

What he said.

ioioio 2009-10-21 15:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 353985)
I can't call that "what the N900 should have been". Who wants a phone that big, except maybe on their desk?

However, I *can* see it as what the "N820" should have been...

Yeah, but the nXXX series was never supposed to be a phone in the first place. Nokia has smartphones, what was the point of cannibalizing the nXXX series and releasing a Maemo based n97?

Flandry 2009-10-21 15:17

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No keyboard. Must have missed that "little" deal-breaker.

A mobile computer with no keyboard? LOL

eiffel 2009-10-21 15:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 353985)
However, I *can* see it as what the RX-71 should be...

There, I fixed that for you.

eiffel 2009-10-21 15:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 353998)
A mobile computer with no keyboard? LOL

Very usable on-screen keyboard at 1:42.

Texrat 2009-10-21 15:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ioioio (Post 353992)
Yeah, but the nXXX series was never supposed to be a phone in the first place.

Says who???

Quote:

Nokia has smartphones, what was the point of cannibalizing the nXXX series and releasing a Maemo based n97?
Transitioning to Maemo.

Texrat 2009-10-21 15:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 353998)
No keyboard. Must have missed that "little" deal-breaker.

A mobile computer with no keyboard? LOL

You never used the N800?

Pity. It doesn't need a keyboard.

robbie 2009-10-21 15:32

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No keyboard == not an option for me

ioioio 2009-10-21 15:36

Re: Dell Releases What n900 Should Have Been (Dell Streak)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 353998)
No keyboard. Must have missed that "little" deal-breaker.

A mobile computer with no keyboard? LOL

Problem is, the n900 keyboard is not looking too hot either, from a n810 keyboard perspective.

ioioio 2009-10-21 15:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Romeo0119 (Post 353984)
Its still just android....

I'll give you that one...

matthewcc 2009-10-21 15:40

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I have to agree with Texrat.

The N900 is being released as a flagship device, and for all intents and purposes Nokia is a mobile phone manufacture. I understand that y'all want a new tablet sized device that runs Maemo, but that does not mean that the n900 should have been something else. Who knows the next step may be re-branding the tablets into a new series, or pushing them into "booklet"

Rushmore 2009-10-21 15:41

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Can not really compare to N900. N900 has phone function- different device intentions.

A agree about the keyboard, in spite of Nokia's rationale, the KB seems lacking.

zerojay 2009-10-21 15:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ioioio (Post 354038)
Problem is, the n900 keyboard is not looking too hot either, from a n810 keyboard perspective.

From a longtime N810 keyboard user, the N900 keyboard is far more usable even with less keys. Get it into your hands and you'll see what i mean.

I think they should rename this device from Dell Streak to Dell Skidmark, lol.

flux41 2009-10-21 15:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Romeo0119 (Post 353984)
Its still just android....

Amen!

Honestly, I don't see what is so special about the Streak. If you really want something that big, go with a Archos or something. Personally, I'm trying to slim down the number of devices I carry and from what it looks like, the Streak doesn't fit anywhere in my future plans. With the n900 I'll be able to consolidate my n800 and e51 (except in special cases) . So my daily work bag will only have an n900 and a Asus 10" netbook.

javispedro 2009-10-21 15:58

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Capacitive screen. Eeek.

c0rt3x 2009-10-21 16:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 354087)
Capacitive screen. Eeek.

Android = Capacitive

flux41 2009-10-21 16:14

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Capacitive screen... Ok that is nice, but is it really the only reason why this device is even being considered?

javispedro 2009-10-21 16:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by c0rt3x (Post 354099)
Android = Capacitive

What has an operating system to do with a device's touchscreen technology? I doubt Android cares whether its input device is resistive, capacitive, a mouse, banging your head on the wall or just voice commands (as long as it can provide an absolute x,y coordinate and a boolean "click" value).

Quote:

Originally Posted by flux41 (Post 354115)
Capacitive screen... Ok that is nice, but is it really the only reason why this device is even being considered?

Being unconsidered.

c0rt3x 2009-10-21 16:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 354120)
What has an operating system to do with a device's touchscreen technology? I doubt Android cares whether its input device is resistive, capacitive, a mouse, banging your head on the wall or just voice commands (as long as it can provide an absolute x,y coordinate and a boolean "click" value).

What has an operating system to do with a device's CPU technology? Yet Android 1.5 only allowed one model (not only limited to a specific CPU type, but also to a special model). The Qualcomm MSM 7201A 528 MHz processor.

javispedro 2009-10-21 16:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by c0rt3x (Post 354130)
What has an operating system to do with a device's CPU technology?

Everything? :confused:

Either way, there have been multiple Android devices with different touch screen technologies and with different processors, so the point is moot.

c0rt3x 2009-10-21 16:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 354140)
Everything? :confused:

Either way, there have been multiple Android 1.5 phones with different touch screen technologies and with different processors, so the point is moot.

[Too short message]

;)

javispedro 2009-10-21 16:38

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And a N810 running Android 1.0 . And the first devices (BEFORE the G1) to run Android were all resistive .

DaveP1 2009-10-21 16:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 353985)
I can't call that "what the N900 should have been". Who wants a phone that big, except maybe on their desk?

Me. If it has a usable on screen keyboard this device could work as a computer and is not too big to pocket. To my mind, the N900, while it has a real keyboard (which I prefer), has a screen that is just too small to work as a computer for long.

There's a bit more information in the SlashGear post:

http://www.slashgear.com/dell-streak...leaks-2161220/

UCOMM 2009-10-21 16:58

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4.1 is pushing it for a phone, 5 is just plain stupid

3.7/8 and i'd be happy

cheetos316 2009-10-21 17:19

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Just because it ships with Android doesn't mean that another OS can't run on it right? Would it be possible to flash it to run something like Maemo?

ioioio 2009-10-21 17:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 354087)
Capacitive screen. Eeek.

If it makes no difference expense wise or battery wise (in a perfect world), you want a capacitive screen, makes a huge difference in terms of usability. You can't accomplish the same things on a resistive screen.

ioioio 2009-10-21 17:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cheetos316 (Post 354239)
Just because it ships with Android doesn't mean that another OS can't run on it right? Would it be possible to flash it to run something like Maemo?

In theory it can run any embedded OS, but who's going to go through with porting it, writing device drivers for it, and who knows what else.

GeneralAntilles 2009-10-21 17:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ioioio (Post 354274)
If it makes no difference expense wise or battery wise (in a perfect world), you want a capacitive screen, makes a huge difference in terms of usability. You can't accomplish the same things on a resistive screen.

You want a capacitive screen other people may not. :)

c0rt3x 2009-10-21 17:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cheetos316 (Post 354239)
Just because it ships with Android doesn't mean that another OS can't run on it right? Would it be possible to flash it to run something like Maemo?

No, unfortunately there are som binary only drivers (however, the N900/Maemo 5 is still probably the most open mass produced phone/OS).

nilchak 2009-10-21 17:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ioioio (Post 354274)
If it makes no difference expense wise or battery wise (in a perfect world), you want a capacitive screen, makes a huge difference in terms of usability. You can't accomplish the same things on a resistive screen.

Thats is a technology myth that a capacitive screen makes a huge difference in usability. NO. It makes a huge different is registering your touch on the screen maybe, but that alone is not usability.

Usability also means registering touches when you WANT it to - hnce a slightly harder press which is comforting to many.

Usability is also about registering fine grained clicks like with a stylus.

Usability is also about handwriting recognition supporting screen.

and more ....

So FIRSTLY - get your definition of usability correct, then you can spout innanities about capacitive vs resistive.

c0rt3x 2009-10-21 17:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ioioio (Post 354274)
If it makes no difference expense wise or battery wise (in a perfect world), you want a capacitive screen, makes a huge difference in terms of usability. You can't accomplish the same things on a resistive screen.

In a perfect world all phones would have optical touchscreens (or even better technologies; not resistive or capacitive anyway).

GeneralAntilles 2009-10-21 17:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by c0rt3x (Post 354287)
In a perfect world all phones would have optical touchscreens (or even better technologies; not resistive or capacitive anyway).

Psh. In a perfect world all phones would read my thought commands.

lcuk 2009-10-21 17:54

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Maemo/Mer on Dell

sends a shudder through me, but why not?

Ludio 2009-10-21 18:09

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Well if this is a Dell hardware design they could take it and shrink it down... I find it simpering and attractive... The load time is kinda horrendous... I would think it's running the latest cortex a8 or similar.. Too boot that long is questionable... It would be a god work desk device if the immediate Internet is not at your disposal but it's too big to be a real everyday device... N900 of the same lenght bit with the streaks thickness would be boss... Future iterations I am sure will have such qualites it's just a matter of patients... Dell streak is a sexy piece hardware though... I like gadgets!

ioioio 2009-10-21 18:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 354283)
Usability also means registering touches when you WANT it to - hnce a slightly harder press which is comforting to many.

Registering touch = slightly harder press != usability

If I'm off on the definition of usability, you're 180° off.

jalladin 2009-10-21 18:15

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It looks like the arcos 5, but perhaps its the build or look of the next maemo device ( which is what I believe is what the person that started the thread may have meant ) since a lot of ppl want a non-keyboard device ( for those who love the n800 as apposed to the n810) I am one of those ppl who just need a physical keyboard... its a great looking piece of hard ware though despite negative commentary.

TheLongshot 2009-10-21 18:23

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My reaction: the screen is too damn big. It might be nice for those who want a tablet, but as a phone it is fricking huge.

The N900 is probably at the limit of how big I want to go with such a device.


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