A plea to lcuk
 

Gary

I was watching your video
http://maemotalk.com/2009/10/20/liqb...e-lcuk-appeal/

I suddenly realized that your application is getting too clever and you may never finish.

You only need to release a single small app that does the drawing wall. Get that onto the OVI store and start making some money man.

Then get the torch out
Then get the Calendar out

assuming Nokia sell 500K N900's in the next year, and you get 10% downloads for each app at a pound each, we would all have you available here in the community instead of doing some corporate crap.


Mike C

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

I'd go for that - though I'd say get the torch out now - I think it's already more or less finished.

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le coq, i love you!


(sorry i had to ;))

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

you are right,

this is the part I talk about "coaxing these hacks into the general community"

theres a couple of gotchas, things dont quite integrate properly as it stands and need workarounds

it doesn't composite and needs some way to make x11 pixmap of the current liqbase XV screen when its minimized (otherwise it looks crap)
if i leave XV running, then I cannot run more than 1 standalone app at a time - because XV is limited to only 2 and media player/camera use them.
I considered solutions and broached the subject of using liqbase in a desktop widget (storing the most recent screen as a screenshot, and showing that in the widget).

theres an annoying flash when you open stand alone apps (I left a bug report, thats low level xv initialization)

my head is still blown up by packaging things ( I have a template for new stuff but i cant change it)

im only doing what i can :S

i dont know much about any of this stuff and cant just ask for people to do stuff, i can leave questions and messages around and hope people participate but then because the things I have problems with are obscure nothing gets cured.

so i work where i can and where i feel comfortable which is been making my code work well.
i am used to having people with me who i can direct (or if they are busy do it myself) and still don't quite get distributed development, I am too impulsive and would rather be coding than twiddling my thumbs pondering if someone will work on something.

i am used to writing a big list of things todo on a whiteboard or page and having everyone work through them.

so, status as of right now:

• the playground can have anything added.
• new apps can be created and used standalone and also in the playground.
• the library has just tonight actually been rebuilt and cures a serious crashable bug thats in the current -extras repository - that is just copying to my machine so i can upload it to -devel
  my laptop has been broken for the last couple of weeks and i've not been able to push this update till today (got me a wired connection now - the wireless is dead)
  
  the code has been available on github.com/lcuk for ages
  
  
• the torch is standalone and has a deb all on its own and is in extras-testing
• the postcard is standalone as has a deb all on its own and is in extras-testing
• even the control panel is standalone
  
• liqflow will have one v soon (i have technical considerations which are being worked through)
  
• the calendar exists in playground package currently but can easily be rearranged to standalone
• the sketch/graffiti wall can be standalone with some moving (not code)
• the remote control is standalone but specific to my network
• the presentation software loads vb frm files and isnt really practical
• the user list is waiting for the network code im writing to show people on the same wifi segment and be able to draw between them
• im **** at this
  

todo as of right now for "user ready"

• compositing "cover screen" when minimized
• green flash removal
• optification
• package rearranging
• package building on device (then anyone can do liqbase stuff without scratchbox)
• anything the testers come up with (I know of at least one memory leak that I havent tracked yet)

whos good at planning that i can talk to and sort out a proper checklist to get some things done?

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

You need a business-oriented partner to handle the support and other engagements. ;)

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

the torch was finished on day one and exists as i say :)

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

If my bloody N900 turned up, id be happy to chip in.

Mike C
ps I'm a salesbloke;)

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

mikec
you are aware all liqbase stuff works happily on n8x0 aren't you :p

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btw, is this something for sales people or other areas of a business:

there is an The Emerging Communications (eComm) Conference & Awards thing in Amsterdam next week.
why aren't we (maemo) represented?

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

hurrah

[2009-10-21 22:30:01] Processing package libliqbase 0.3.45. Uploader: lcuk, builder: builder1
[2009-10-21 22:30:08] Building libliqbase 0.3.45 for target 'maemo-chinook-armel-extras-devel'
[2009-10-21 22:32:36] OK
[2009-10-21 22:32:37] Building libliqbase 0.3.45 for target 'maemo-chinook-i386-extras-devel'
[2009-10-21 22:34:59] Signing build results
[2009-10-21 22:35:00] libliqbase 0.3.45 has been queued for loading into chinook extras-devel repository
[2009-10-21 22:35:00] You can find more info about this build here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/chi...iqbase_0.3.45/

maybe after today people can start testing ;)

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

The Torch needs to be on the Maemo 5 Apps Website at launch, with a link in the screen that takes people to your website to see all the cool things that will be in the store at Christmas (If Nokia can F**** get their act together for Santa).

I would have thought that you could get a 90% download on the Torch given how small and light it is.

"Faster than paper" yeah!!

Mike C

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

I just sold my N800, and only have my trusty 770. I might just go and buy an N810 if the frigging N900 dont show soon....oops.

Mike C

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

mmm 770
could i get it on all Nokia maemo devices, the only time its been tried it was never pushed hard.
would be good to know if its impossible, or tweakable.

tho, the 770 has its own White Screen torch application built in

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

installed liqtorch right now.
could not be started via icon.
had to cd /usr/bin ./liqtorch-run.sh
on n8x0 it's only white, isn't it?

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

Hehe
My 770 did the WSOD after about a year. I bought it in Chicago. I had it shipped back to my brother in the US who took it down to the Nokia Flag ship store and they gave him a new one.
I bought a N800 while I was waiting, so the n770 is brand new, and has no torch yet.

Mike C

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

yeah
with just 2 buttons
ill push the new ones through tonight linked to the lib thats just gone up
though the shortcut should just work :s

if you find out why, please let me know how ill check it against the one here

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

is it boxed and stuff, thats gotta be getting quite rare now? :)

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

I've got an apple tablet as well.........
The Newton :-)

I've got so many ideas for your torch, but I dont want to distract you any morrrrrrrrrrrrrre.

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

mikec
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_professionals
add yourself if you want :)

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

OK done

Mike C

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

# [extras-builds] [chinook]: libliqbase 0.3.45 OK Maemo Extras Builder
# [extras-builds] [diablo]: libliqbase 0.3.45 OK Maemo Extras Builder
# [extras-builds] [fremantle]: libliqbase 0.3.45 OK Maemo Extras Builder
# [extras-builds] [diablo]: onedotzero 1.0.2 OK Maemo Extras Builder
# [extras-builds] [diablo]: liqbase-playground 0.3.45 OK Maemo Extras Builder
# [extras-builds] [diablo]: liqflow 0.1.0 OK Maemo Extras Builder
# [extras-builds] [fremantle]: onedotzero 1.0.2 OK Maemo Extras Builder
# [extras-builds] [fremantle]: liqbase-playground 0.3.45 OK Maemo Extras Builder
# [extras-builds] [fremantle]: liqflow 0.1.0 OK Maemo Extras Builder

:) now, thats one part out of the way.
i will extract graffiti wall and calendar later (they are all sketch elements and are part of each other)

the bugs I mentioned on page 1 remain exactly as before and I don't know how to fix them.

any ideas?

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

Get the torch and the postcards onto the main maemo site asap - both of those are the sort of 'fun andf froth' stuff that will sell quickly and easily to people who like shiney toys. Are you planning to price them? If so, what rate? Those sorts of things need decided. You need a 'business partner'.

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

Hmm, I don't see torch as 'fun', I see it was 'useful', and its a popular feature S60 users install from ISV. Part of the swiss army knife, so to say.

However... I tend to use the camera's flashlight by shooting pictures when I'm searching something in the dark :confused: which brought me to following idea: is it possible that, instead of torch, to use the LED light of the back camera for light? Then you can still use your screen for something else while torching, or rather: flashlighting. I'm not sure which one is kinder to the battery though.

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

noooooooooo

dont distract lcuk until he gets those apps up.

Mike C

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

http://maemo.org/packages/package_in...liqtorch/0.1.5

test it, tell me if it works properly
i'm sure there is still bugs and implementation issues though.

i use happily every day from my playground and have done from the day I made it.

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

:D
*Wants to see that on the apps site before 16th Nov* ;)

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

i've gotta find a job so i can afford to last however long is needed to consider earning my shillings from this mythical app store!

i spent a lot of today doing various jobby business related things.
spoke with a couple of companies about prospective postings and stuff :)

i made a standalone simple version of liqflow lastnight and pushed that as well (thats available for n810 too!) and was meant to "just work", but has a tiny issue with icon on n900 that i noticed, does it work from n810? thats minor fixable but needs to be fixed at the template stage, which was where I realised its wrong..

I pushed the working libraries and torch into testing yesterday - postcard is gonna be delayed because the liqbase.net website is crap and people will want more.
(anyone know how to design php websites)

kotczarny and I spoke today and started hashing out the x11 pixmap issue and have a few bits of example code now and things to test and try in the v near future.

i also handled a very large impressive email someone sent which included lots of large UI upgrades to calendar (hopefully more of the community will get involved instead of it being a private conversation)

I made a thread about it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...494#post355494

i didnt realise i had done that much, oh i also found time to mess around in irc for a bit ;)

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

Just to be completely clear amongst all of the talk of app stores, it looks to me that the new liqbase packages are still licensed under the GPL. Is that impression correct?

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

yes
gpl v2 with option later of v3 i believe it still says

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Hehe why do you think Gary has unfixable bugs in it. Cause when he charges for the GPL software, he is the only one that can provide bug fixes :D

Mike C

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

Apologies lcuk, did not want this to seem that your intentions are any less than altruistic

Mike C

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

Good luck with the job-hunting! Hope your portfolio of liqbase stuff stands you in good stead for a nice earner. :)

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

Question for lcuk - i saw the calendar app on youtube and in recaps of presentations you did and it looks fantastic, particularly the whole "becoming the new fridge door" and sharing it with other people.... just interested if the sharing element is up and running as that is something a lot of people would find useufl.

If i could share the calendar with family so we know when appointments are and who's getting what from the shops that is a great feature that would be used day ini day out and i'd happily pay for

Sorry if this is seen as a "hijack of thread"

Re: A plea to lcuk
 

njoughin,

its not quite a hijack, a lot of people have expressed a great amount of interest in my simple understandable calendar :)

its just an idea i have had for a while and I am trying to work out how to make it happen - I want a wall mounted liqbase display which keeps up with what I and other family members are doing.
I am well beyond my happy visual basic comfort zone, but think its the right thing to do!
this thread was started and is right, liqbase has grown beyond what I can personally code in a reasonable time.
its a bit of a catch 22 - I only have one pair of hands and I cannot yet afford to pay people to plan and code up specific things.
/me needs to find corporate sponsorship and build a team :)

I would love to do get everything completely ready and do even more though, theres a lot of ideas coming from many sources.

post follow on ideas about the calendar specifically into the "liqbase calendaring ideas" thread
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...494#post355494