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joshua.maverick 2009-10-22 00:33

N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
Am I crazy, or is this somehow possible? Would be VERY cool to use my phone as a pen tablet as well.

somedude 2009-10-22 00:38

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
what are the chances of closed source photoshop being ported to maemo without any legal argument?
may be some other software similar to photoshop but i do not see photoshop itself being on N900.
Just my thought.

dormant 2009-10-22 00:56

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joshua.maverick (Post 354804)
Am I crazy, or is this somehow possible? Would be VERY cool to use my phone as a pen tablet as well.

You can run remote desktop and it'd be just like a tablet. No pressure sensitivity, mind.

arachnist 2009-10-22 00:58

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
I think he's thinking about using the N900 as an input device.
As crazy as it may sound, that could be possible with either usbip [1] (if the touchscreen is an usb device) or a cuse [2] hack

With usbip you'd just "export" the usb device over network, and with cuse you'd just catch the input events on the tablet and transfer them over network.
So, you'd need to:
a) using cuse:
* Catch the input events from the tablet/phone
* transfer them over network to a linux host
* on the linux host run a cuse-backed driver that would catch the input events and present them as a normal input device.
b) using usbip:
* export the device using usbip over network (that'd render the touchscreen unusable for the phone, until a reboot.
c) have drivers for the touchscreen. With cuse only X11 drivers would be needed, with usbip both linux and X11
d) run photoshop under wine on the linux computer (not the phone!), as cuse is not available for windows at all and usbip is highly experimental

[1] http://usbip.sourceforge.net/
[2] A framework for creating and managing character devices from userspace, present in new kernels. Couldn't find a proper link for that.

joshua.maverick 2009-10-22 00:59

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
Yea I don't want to port photoshop, I want to use the n900 as a tablet, as per what I wrote lol.

linuxeventually 2009-10-22 01:00

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
BlueMaemo, VNC and x11forwarding (GIMP only)

EDIT: And online there is sumopaint.com

EDIT2:
http://www.box.net/os2008/1/38267058/393255086

Just wish there was a hack for universal full-screen mode for x11forwarded programs... "hey qwerty12 wanna..."

A little explanation is warranted on that screenshot - I installed Photoshop Elements on my laptop in Windows, copied the install into ~.wine and copied the Adobe reg keys from Windows into WINE's reg. Thus Photoshop running in x86 Linux via WINE. Then used x11forwarding which allows an X (GUI) linux program to run remotely (different from VNC), in this case on my N810. Thus able to use Photoshop on tablet (with a laptop in between), pen input without VNC-delay. Though it does run kinda slow UNLESS you change N810's CPU to performance mode.

joshua.maverick 2009-10-22 01:52

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
PEN TABLET for Ps!

timsamoff 2009-10-22 03:09

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
My idea was using BlueMaemo to control the mouse cursor via the accelerometer and do a sort of "painting with marbles" thing in Photoshop. Actually, I was trying to do this tonight and couldn't get my N900 to connect to my MacBook via BlueMaemo. Arg. Will keep trying.

Tim

joshua.maverick 2009-10-22 03:37

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
What about n900 > PC is that possible? Please... lol

elimoon8 2009-10-22 04:42

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
I've tried this idea with the n810 and bluemaemo, but it seems to not work as well as I would hope, since the right mouse button is not constantly 'clicked'/held down when you try to draw/write on the screen (I actually tried to use it with Vista's handwriting feature). If you do use the button to click and hold the right mouse button, you can't just lift your stylus and write/draw somewhere else. You have to click the button again and click the button once more for when you want to resume writing/drawing somewhere else. This makes it a very unnatural experience and therefore defeats the purpose of using the n810/n900 as a stylus on a touch screen. For anyone that has tried this, is there something I am missing?

linuxeventually 2009-10-22 05:00

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
@elimoon8
You are right. It is weird for using as a writing pad.
Perhaps a "stylus input" mode could be added to BlueMaemo.

For now you might be better off with VNC. =\

I use Xournal on my tablet and transfer PDF to my laptop, not ideal of course.

Jason404 2009-10-22 05:08

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
I cannot imagine this being at all practical from an ergonomic standpoint.

I have a Wacom Intuos A6, which is great to use, but anything smaller than that is just useless. As it is, I have been wanting to get a Intuos A5 for many years, but I do not do enough photo-editing in Photoshop to justify the expense.

elimoon8 2009-10-22 05:17

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
I doubt it's ergonomically practical, but for the owner of a non-touch screen pc, this could be potentially very useful, since you don't have to purchase another accessory for your computer (typically priced $50 and up). In my case, I *have* a tablet pc (the Gateway C141XL), but the screen stopped working for some reason. Since it will cost me more to replace the screen/digitizer than buying a new laptop, I prefer to avoid that option. Also, I just want to use the input feature to input a lot of math formulas into Word documents (doing it through the symbols menu is truly a pain, and using the windows 7 math handwriting input makes it a breeze).

All that said, relating back to the original topic, this is not the ideal setup for a dedicated artist, who would probably want a more convenient, dedicated solution.

Jason404 2009-10-22 05:29

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
Another thing, is that while a proper graphics tablet can sense the angle of the pen and can sense hundreds/thousands of pressure levels, you also do not use the tablet only when the pen is actually touching it (that is only when you are actually drawing) - you move the mouse cursor around the screen while the pen is upto several centimetres above the tablet.

The stylus on the N900 would be able to do none of that. I cannot see how you could move the cursor around without touching/drawing, and the lack of pressure levels would make it totally useless for the situations where using a graphics tablet is desirable in the first place.

BTW elimoon, if you try to edit a post, you get an option to delete it, at the top.

allnameswereout 2009-10-22 05:46

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by linuxeventually (Post 354943)
@elimoon8
You are right. It is weird for using as a writing pad.
Perhaps a "stylus input" mode could be added to BlueMaemo.

As in taking advantage of resistive to use left mouse click? On my trackpoint I could not get used to this and I accidentally ram on it during typing. But with the right sensitivity it may be worthwhile.

elimoon8 2009-10-22 05:54

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
I filed a "stylus input solution" as an enhancement for Bluemaemo here. Please vote for it if you feel it would be useful.

linuxeventually 2009-10-22 05:55

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
Yes the tablets do not send pressure information so as graphics tablets they are no substitute. However I find it to be more precise than a mouse.

samuelc 2009-12-18 09:48

Re: N900 + Stylus = Pen Tablet for Photoshop?
 
Getting a small digital painting software for n900 would make it my favourite gadget in the world! :) You know, Nintendo DS has this homebrew software called Colors!, that has just some basic features. Pressure sensitive brush with size and opacity control. Hard and soft brush, zoom, save and nice colour palette. Now this is not my painting, but it is done on the DS Colors! http://cache.lifehacker.com/assets/r.../colors-ds.png

Doesn't N900 also have the same kind of touch screen as DS?


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