PCWorld Article: Nokia N900: Hot and Not
 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/18191...t_and_not.html

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Portrait comin soon
mms comin soon

has far has app store, iphone been out ova 3years plenty of time to get loads of apps so in time loads of apps will be out!!

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No MMS? Wow. I guess anymore uploading it to facebook or what not is becoming more popular then sending a picture to someone's phone so they can view it on their tiny screen.

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"plagued by delays"

For ****'s sake, it was delayed, what, 10 days?

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So it is not a bad write up - They hit on the complaints we all have but do not inject the simple responses we have come to know and love to the negatives. My fanboy oriented response was:

COST:
TMO now has a sim only rate plan which effectively offers a 350$ subsidy over 2 years. The difference is you pay up front, and save over the long term. AND Amazon has it listed at 559, and dell.com fro 520. Looking at this math, it is not so bad... and compared to an ATT or Verizon rate... the phone is almost free.

Portrait Mode & MMS:
I am confident both these issues will cease to be problems after a firmware update or 2.

Ovi store: This is a more difficult one... in no way does the catalog of stand alone apps, or plugins match that which is offered by android or iphone. And there is nothing we can say other than give it time, it will come.

One thing I like to mention is the close integration that plug ins offer and high level of control over the apps, this is pretty unique to maemo.

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MMS is useless for high def images from a 5meg camera + HSDPA/HSUPA phone.

The max you can send over MMS is 350kb I believe, the N900 will need to compress the large image into much smaller file to send over MMS.

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yes, mms is useless, especially in an age of REAL email clients on mobile devices... Now how do we educate the masses on this?

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I'm rather hoping my N900 doesn't catch fire. That's more an iPhone "feature".

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Yup, that bit of hyperbole got me too... :rolleyes:

I guess this now means Jared Newman's writing style is "infected by the puss oozing pox of inaccuracy". :p

EDIT: Added bio link and reference.

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Dude, ya'll know i'm not an apple fan, but they have some really cool apps on it. and if 1% are great, or even 0.1% are great that is still 100 really good, really useful, really innovative apps that we will likely have to wait months for. We all hope that this community will generate 100 apps/plugins/tools that the rest of the world not running maemo will drool over.

The future is Qt.

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It's not useless. It may be limited but there really is no alternative at the moment. When around 100% of people I want to communicate with have push e-mail on their phones, then it's useless. The whole point of it is that you can capture a specific moment and share it right when it happens and the person in the receiving end really receives it instantly too. It's not a poor mans substitute for sharing pictures in Flickr or sending a bunch of photos in e-mail.

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Very true, but equally so that the function should have been out of the box at launch. Why create an issue that is simple to fix, but will hurt sales?

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OK, Ill buy that, but the crazy thing is many people who won't front the money for a email enabled phone also will not pay for mms (picture messaging) service on thier contract either... or is this just my group of lame friends?

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Agreed. While personally I've never used it, it's an instant way of sharing something without sending people to websites (Facebook, Flickr etc), many of whom don't have internet access on their phones as it is.

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The logical conclusion would be that either everybody in charge has been dropped on his/her head or that it is, just maybe, not that simple to fix and they estimated delaying further would hurt sales more. Somehow one of those options sounds a lot more probable than the other.

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I agree.

For me, MMS is old & limited technology.

http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/...r-nokia-share/

Here's an N900 application that might interest people looking for MMS:

Pixelpipe Media Gateway for Nokia Share

Liberate your media with Pixelpipe. Upload photos, video clips, and audio files through the Pixelpipe Media Gateway and distribute your content across over 100+ social networks, photo/video sites, blogs, and other online services.

With Pixelpipe you’re able to publish text, photos, videos, and audio directly to Facebook, Twitter, Flickr, YouTube, MySpace, and many other supported services – making it one of the easiest and quickest ways to distribute your content across the web.

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Again, if we get portrait texting and browsing, almost everyone will be happy and the others will never ever be happy- regardless.

I suggest they focus on those two points and everything else will be gravy :)

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How many million iphones are out there? and nokia can't even manage to get N900 (oh, finally shipping eh?) out. Would be nice if maemo sees wider adoption and phones don't cost $500.

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But phones do cost $500. Don't let yourself be deluded by carrier subsidies, at the end you will pay a lot more.

If people really fret so much over paying $500 up front, then they could buy the device with a credit card and pay it in parts.

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Yes, phones may cost more than $500 in the long-run, but I'm talking about marketing psychology, visible advertised sub $200 price-points etc.

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Well, if the consumer is stupid enough to be deceived by that...

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There's a reason why some psychologists go into that field. =P It pays well.

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Fixed in Fremantle. :-X

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I agree, but would include email in that too as it's similar in usage to SMS.

I would also say messenger services like MSN, Yahoo, Skype etc but that may be dependent on the application maker allowing it, but it would require Nokia to give access to portrait T9 or QWERTY keyboards that would be available in SMS messaging and Web Browsing in any event.

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Frankly, I am surprised by the outrage at a generally positive article whose main objections could have been taken directly from threads on this forum. The omission of MMS and portrait mode seem to indicate a lack of knowledge or a lack of concern as to how the majority of consumers use their phones and what the expect from a top of the line phone. Given the five step program, I suspect the latter.

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I guess it depends on what your friends use. I have never sent an MMS. Not once. If I want to send someone something, it's sent as an e-mail attachment, since pretty much everyone I know gets their email pushed to their phone.

Also, the App store is not a necessity when you have an open platform. No doubt, it's VERY convenient, but when you can download anything to your phone it's less of a concern where it comes from.

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I posted the article because I agreed with it. The issues are glaring, and the is soooooo much potential. The fixes are simple - they are software fixes, which are FAR quicker than hardware. The big issues are I see in the US are:

• Portrait - Software Update
• MMS - Software Update
• Price - TMO has a SIM only plan now
• Apps - It is a new os so it will take time, but we have Qt which makes it quicker.

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I think we should be moving forward and away from MMS.

Reasons:

1. N900 has 5meg camera
2. MMS limits 350kb per message
3. N900 requires software to compress image down to MMS size
4. Waste of resource to develop this functionality when the N900 can take advantage of the 3G & HSPDA network to upload high quality photos, link can be sent through message or social networking sites.
5. In order to see the MMS, the other person would need an MMS compatible phone
6. Not a lot of demand for MMS nowdays to be honest, users take the photos with the camera on their phone (N900) they prefer to go home and upload it on the net (Facebook, twitter etc) rather than sending an MMS to a dozen of contacts.

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I think we should be moving forward and away from MMS.

Reasons:

1. N900 has 5meg camera
2. MMS limits 350kb per message
3. N900 requires software to compress image down to MMS size
4. Waste of resource to develop this functionality when the N900 can take advantage of the 3G & HSPDA network to upload high quality photos, link can be sent through message or social networking sites.
5. In order to see the MMS, the other person would need an MMS compatible phone
6. Not a lot of demand for MMS nowdays to be honest, users take the photos with the camera on their phone (N900) they prefer to go home and upload it on the net (Facebook, twitter etc) rather than sending an MMS to a dozen of contacts.


X 2 - I don't understand why it's a bad thing that mms is left out

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Sure moving away from MMS is fine, as soon as 90% of phones can receive eMail it's great. The issues is some people don't use Social networking either, I'm a well paid pro photographer and I only have 1 picture on my Facebook(which wasn't taken with a phone). The smartphone market share is still below 40% penetration, there's still a large majority of people who can't send/receive email from a phone, but the money is on them being able to get a MMS, and if they can't then whatever they can view it online later.

The idea isn't that it's useless, it's that it should be a standard feature, I remember buying my new BMW, it didn't have an oil Dipstick, in the modern age you don't need one because it has an electronic one, but it's still nice to have one under the hood just in case.

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You still need the internet access to send the MMS

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No man, I do not have internet on my phone( i do not pay for it). And i can send mms. never was charged for internet. Actually i have send it about 3-4 :) times in 6 years:rolleyes:
MMS is useless!!! Those compressed pictures just f..ing crap.
Wee don't need it!!!

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Your phone would still need to connect to internet to download an MMS message, if your phone does not have the ability then you would be sent a link as a text message.
Though you dont need to subscribe for internet to use MMS, it still requires an internet connection

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MMS is used in my field daily. Its not used for precision, its used to get the point across. Its something the public uses daily and should be included in future releases.

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MMS is used in my field daily. Its not used for precision, its used to get the point across. Its something the public uses daily and should be included in future software updates.

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Yes, I really do need my MMS. I look after an elderly relative with it (Nokia Observation Camera) and my wife sends me stuff all day (feature phone user).

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It was pointed out religiously that the iPhone didn't have MMS. Now it's being pointed out that the N900 doesn't need MMS.

If you don't use it, you'll not miss it. I use it. Sparingly. But it's an omission nonetheless that the iPhone also once didn't have and was used to make a few points by people here and about.

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I don't send MMS (or even SMS for that matter - if I can help it), but I do have to admit that being able to receive them wouldn't be that bad... I know some people who are stupid enough to pay 50c-2€ per message to send a horribly compressed image to their friends, who try to decipher it on a 128x96 1.5" screen :D

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The funny thing is that I've been working on a SMSC/MMSC related project and have a little insight on MMS (yes, it really is a mess and a good candidate for cruft). Anyhow, it was interesting to see the scales on a provider's level. I knew MMS was a minority compared to SMS but it turns out the question is not by how much, but by how many ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE. Seeing this I fully understand why someone would let MMS (and the things it requires) die and rather spend that time on something that will actually improve the experience for ALL users.

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Guilty as charged. The thing is, I used to mention the iPhone's lack of MMS in passing, because the iPhone lacked so many basic features - video recording, cut/copy & paste, A2DP &c.

The article comes across as somewhat ignorant in a number of ways. I guess it's been noted that sending an MMS to "friends and family" would probably set you back a couple bucks at the very least, and people who are actually interested in your baby pictures - or whatever it is you feel you have to share instantly - would have subscribed to your flickr/twitter/faecebook.

I guess Ovi store is a problem for medium-to-low-tech users, or the kinds of users who really feel they need an app to make fart sounds for them. I don't expect all those Debian apps to pass through Ovi, though. The N900 was never aimed at iPhone users, so I can see how it would fail in that sense.