Is 2012 Real????
 

http://socyberty.com/folklore/is-2012-real/

Read this and tell me please comment if you think about 2012

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Well there were several civilizations that predicted 2012 (well not really predict but their calendars just stopped around then). Though I think most of those ancient civilizations based their calendars off the lunar system so maybe it just got unpredictable so they gave up (since they didn't think people would be living that long. =P)

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No, 2012 (if you're referring to what I think, I didn't check your link) isn't all it's cracked up to be:
http://science.slashdot.org/article..../10/26/1517242

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Yes 2012 is real. Its an actual year. It comes right after 2011 and shortly before 2013.

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I actually do believe that the world will end in 2012 and to help free yourself from your earthly belongings I am volunteering to accept them. You can paypal it all to me on Dec 31.

You're welcome.

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I thought the world was supposed to end at the end of 1999? Am I a ghost?

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i predict it will end in 2050 as thats when the calendar on my watch stops

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There's a researcher I stumbled across recently who has a novel theory about 2012: he thinks we have the start of the Mayan civilization wrong. He believes that based on similarities, the Mayans and Egyptians were contemporaries and both (re)started their civilizations at the same time after a great flood (note that both have origin myths/legends along those lines).

The fascinating part is, if you move the Mayan calendar origin to match the Egyptian Zep Tepi (beginning), then the end of that calendar no longer falls in December 2012 but exactly at the threshold of the Age of Aquarius.

Ancient civiliaztions were big on following the phenomenon of precession, so this makes too much sense to ignore IMO. It fits with other evidence that conventional historians like to ignore (such as coca and tobacco in Egyptian funeraries).

So... everyone can relax now. Well... until we get into the thick of the Taurid meteor stream in a few decades that is... :eek:

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i would have read the article only if that annoying guy stops popping up in the middle and gray out the whole site and start talking BS.

I remember when i was 12 and everybody was talking about how the big volcano would go off at the end of the year and everybody will die this one is the same thing.

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I don't see why it's the Mayans who have known when the world would end.

There's always someone saying that the world is going to end. Now just someone made a movie about it and apparently is creating almost mass hysteria.

So yes, year 2012 is real but there's no bigger than normal reason to expect that the world would end then.

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:D:D:D:Dhaha I am going to that movie in 30 minutes its a premier

I hope its good.. otherwise i will be mad in my class in the morning at 7.

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Get a grip, the Mayans didn't "predict the end of the world" that's just when their calendar ends. Ours ends every December 31st. Theirs is just a REALLY LONG CALENDAR. If you were a Mayan, you'd just be getting ready for a REALLY BIG PARTY!!

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I am so angry about 2012. If they knew the world was going to end on 2012 since Mayan days, why are they only telling us now?????? :( I could have made different DECISIONS! IN MY LIFE, I MEAN. And why do it in a Hollywood movie????? Obama's a good speaker -- he can just tell us. :mad: He doesn't need to make a movie, that's the coward's way out. What's next?

COMING 1/1/2010:
HEALTHCARE REFORM
Starring Brad Pitt (as someone uninsured under the current system)

COMING NEXT HALLOWEEN:
SINGLE-PAYER HEALTH CARE IN THE U.S. :eek:
Starring Angelina Jolie (as a frightened supply-side econimics ingenue, chased by a socialist)

I feel that our leaders are being grossly derelict. This is the greatest conspiracy since a looooong time ago. :mad:

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Sorry about that last post. I'm open to penance suggestions.

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Ask a Mayan what he has planned for the day after?

I betcha he says something like... "Um, start a new calendar... what do ya think I'm supposed to do ya *****?" :D

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.... Or the mayan would still be drunk from the day before, since they would have a Great Party... :)

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Because they build weird temples... duh!! :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure the prophecies in the context of 'the end' are not about 'the world' but about either 'humanity on Earth' (humanity as in 'the human species' which is not the same as 'intelligent life on Earth' because depending on your viewpoint there are quite some intelligent species out on our planet such as micro-organisms :D) or 'planet Earth'.

Now, if this 'humanity on Earth' ends on 21 December 2012 A.D., the year 2012 A.D. was not completed on Earth, therefore arguably not 'real'. So those who believe in the Maya prophecy, before the miscalculation should not reply yes to the thread title question.

My opinion: The Earth has survived rough times previously. It may very well get through rough times again for example a time where the dominating species become extinct. Why would a cycle of life and death not exist on this layer? Why would symbiosis not work around? The theory goes life started with micro-organisms such as Amoebe, and later bacteria and coral.

..but 2012 itself is a buzzword; FUD. Like '2000', or 'terrorism'. The threat is much smaller than seems (in our society the chance is bigger you get struck by lightning or car accident than die because of terrorism).

Human life on Earth is doomed to extinction sooner or later, but the reason this happens is based on reasoning (which we may or may not understand) not based on the prophecy of a cult(ure)/religion. Such is pretty much an appeal to authority. So what matters is the reasoning behind the theory.

One should note the Mayan prophecy does not state 'the end', and from a philosophical point of view 'there is no end' because every 'end' is also a 'beginning'. From food you take from the Earth to the poo you give back to the Earth or the dumb egoism of humanity destroying the Earth, the ecosystem manages itself, and is very much more intelligent than the inhabitants :D

AFAIK the Mayan prophecy states 'the end of Age of Pisces' and 'the begin of Age of Aquarius' which is based on ancient astrological cult(ure)/religion, observation of the sky, mathematics. It is interesting to note these people were not 'dumb' because in order to build such pyramids you must have architecture knowledge, you must have organizational skills, you must have manpower, you must have mathematics. Interestingly, one can find similar characteristics in structures of what is now known as Egypt. Actually, you can even find references to astrology in modern religions, modern cities, modern architectures.

However 1) that doesn't mean these observations were credible or not. 2) Personally, I've never seen credible astrology. YMMV. 3) (And now it comes...) All the interpretations are nothing more or less than interpretations, and all of them include tons of assumptions or are based on one unproven or shaky premise! Scientists such as NASA OTOH say there is no increased threat human life on Earth will end on 2012. Which is precisely why I believe these people who are talking about 2012 in that context, and selling books about it are merely trying to create their own cult/religion, and make a quick bang out of it. The more interesting research about the Mayan culture is snowed under all this hoompa BS, conspiracies, and mass psychosis.

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Whether you're a Mayan or not if you believe the world ends in 2012 you may as well get ready for a really big party towards the end. Enjoy the ride while it lasts, ya know :p I guess that is what SUV drivers have in mind... :D

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End of World myths are as old as civilization. When people don't have to worry about their daily survival any more, they start to think and make up weird things.

http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm

On the day of the spring equinox the zodiac constellation where the sun rises marks the era. An era lasts a bit longer than 2000 years. The sun goes backwards through the zodiac, and the time it takes to pass all zodiac signs (about 22000 years) is called the Great Year. The Mayans too could have been aware of this, and 2012 their Great Year could simply end, because they use a different zodiac than the cultures originating from the middle east.
The bible mentions a range of four eras. Taurus lasted until Moses appeared, that's why he dismissed the golden calf (Taurus). The era after Taurus was Aries, and Jesus marks the beginning of the era of Pisces (that's why the symbol of Jesus is the fish). The New Testament also states that after Jesus, there will come a man carrying water (Aquarius). But nobody of us will live long enough to witness the dawn of Aquarius.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Aquarius

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If you were an astronomer and you discovered a doomsday object on a collision course with Earth, what would you do?

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{ 2012 } ⊊ ℕ ⊊ ℤ ⊊ ℚ ⊊ ℝ so yes, 2012 is Real.

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You would find yourself one of many to discover it, to start with..

Asteroids or other objects so small that they can only be discovered by one-of-a-kind, mega-huge equipment (where incidentally only you as a single astronomer have access) aren't doomsday objects. They just make a little 'boom' in the athmosphere, and there have been a couple lately.

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Regardless of how many discover it, if it's determined that this object will destroy all higher order life on Earth, what would be your protocol? After, of course, you recheck your numbers and sh*t your pants.

Nearby objects are being discovered all the time, and didn't something pretty massive just hit Jupiter this year? How long have we had technology looking for this stuff? I am saying that we'll probably see it coming from far away, but I'm also saying it's possible that some very large objects with some very large abnormal orbits are out of our discoverable reach at the moment. Don't you think? My question remains: how would you disseminate this information?

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Well, I guess we can only look at how this kind of information has been disseminated before. There has been several discoveries in the past of large objects that would have a non-zero possibility of hitting Earth, and some of those objects were large enough to cause catastrophe had they hit. So far information on these objects has been released early, with later followups (after tracking the objects for longer, or after finding the same objects in older photos). Fortunately the followups have all concluded that the probability of a hit was low.

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Isn't it your call?

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After you rechecked your numbers and you decided that it was going to be inert, of course you'd tell everyone ASAP. But would you do the same in the other case? I say no way.

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Keep an eye on Apophis. It's next pass will determine whether the one after that gets too close for comfort or flitters harmlessly away. :D

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Read this and give us your lthoughts in 6 hrs time after reading
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/2012.html

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As far as I rememer Mayans predicted the world's end for 1984. 2012 is only the end of the calendar basic cycle.
May be there's a mayan still working for Nokia and we should make a "world's end delayed" thread of this?
Where is the world's end countdown application for maemo?

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Well, so be it, but I would like to request that ysss be destroyed in his sleep.

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I'll be sure to file a complaint if I don't receive my end-of-the-world by the end of 2012 :D

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Is that a threat?

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I find your post misleading... 2012 does not come shortly before 2013, i have researched this and it is in fact a full year before 2013. Despite this i must add i find your post very informative.

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No, my point was that in those cases I referred to the original information was made public right away, while it still looked like there could be a possibility that the objects could hit. Later (after getting more data) the public information was updated.

In addition to that, my first point (that something big will be discovered by many people) still stands, which say that yes, this isn't something that someone will be able to just sit quiet on.

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I was just reading up on this subject recently. NASA doesn't currently have the capability of accurately tracking every threatening object. I doubt other space agencies do either. Apparently we will have less than a half hour's notice for many objects that could do extreme damage... especially once we get into the thick of the Taurids in a few decades.

Ouch.

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My understanding is that the Mayan's predicted the end of the era in 2012. The era began roughly 12,000 years ago (interestingly when the last ice age ended), and encompasses the whole of human 'civilisation'.

In order to accept this belief, you also have to take on board the belief that there were a number of previous eras, containing various levels of human civilisation. (Score one for the Atlantis theories - the Mayan calendar describes the end of the last era in flood, at just about the time that Plato put the flooding of Atlantis. There is some faint evidence for flooded civilisations from this period off the coast of India)

My personal approach is that if 2012 marks the end of human civilisation, it will be a huge bonus for the UK who will be spared paying for the olympics (and all that national debt). I plan on buying my Christmas prezzies very late. Other than that there's not much point in getting worked up: if it's going to happen (which I rather doubt!) there's nothing will stop it.

I have seen a theory that put 21st December 2012 as the date we finally get the LHC functioning...

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Thanks, very interesting. Well, that answers it: full disclosure. I guess I'm just one of those that has been brainwashed to expect full disclosure on phantom threats, and no disclosure on real threats. I'm not sure how much good it'll do, but maybe I should look at that.

But if texrat is correct, it seems possible that one or few could discover something significantly earlier than others. But it seems that you're saying, even so, it's very likely there would be full disclosure. I'm coming around, but again, tough for a conspiracy theorist to wrap his head around.

@texrat

That's just gnarly.

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There won't be time for full disclosure in most cases.

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Does the n900 exist...

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So it's official: God doesn't care about us, we're on our own, and... well... someone or something forbid God ever get bored...