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Rushmore 2009-11-14 18:30

N900, full screen Apps and Flash performance
 
I have been watching video demos of game emulators and all seem to show the N900 status bar at the top. Is this a multi-task issue or just an option issue with the apps?

I also have yet to see a video of Flash game performance or if they play in full screen like the Archos 5 (last years version) does.

Any links that shows actual Flash content performance besides the brief Nokia demo or video content sites?

Any current users have experience going to Flash content sites besides Wave or video sites?

twaelti 2009-11-14 18:41

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
im currently testing fullscreen streetview inside the browser. actually, its very slow. OTOH: flash earth looks great.
what games are you interested in? i will try them for you and report back

bandora 2009-11-14 18:45

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Well could you try to go into different flash game websites and try some "heavy" flash games??? And can you try Megavideo, hulu.. etc?

If you could report back using those that would be awesome.. :D

asidana 2009-11-14 18:50

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
i have played with demo one in nokia shop and full screen flash video was a bit slow and lagy but it could be due to wifi there.

Rushmore 2009-11-14 18:58

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by twaelti (Post 376298)
im currently testing fullscreen streetview inside the browser. actually, its very slow. OTOH: flash earth looks great.
what games are you interested in? i will try them for you and report back


Some of the motherload sites like Addictinggames.com, which have tons of Flash games. Popcap games is another site.

If those work well, we will be doing fine for a while.

It would be cool if there is a way to save the swf files like you can in Firefox. Then we can play them offline :)

Laughing Man 2009-11-14 18:59

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Well flash is also slow since it utilizes the CPU for playback on Linux systems. Flash 10 remedies that by moving flash to a dedicated video processor (e.g. a video card if your using a desktop or the DSP that takes care of video processing for the n900). It use to be that flash video sites like Hulu could bring a dual core CPU to its knees before flash 10 came to Linux.

Rushmore 2009-11-14 19:29

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 376311)
Well flash is also slow since it utilizes the CPU for playback on Linux systems. Flash 10 remedies that by moving flash to a dedicated video processor (e.g. a video card if your using a desktop or the DSP that takes care of video processing for the n900). It use to be that flash video sites like Hulu could bring a dual core CPU to its knees before flash 10 came to Linux.

This makes sense, since Adobe said at the Nokia summit 10.1 needs a DSP for full desk-top experience. Some games must play well though since some do on the Archos 5 with Flash 8.

Sounds like we will be waiting until about June before Flash content including games sites or other apps will be more playable.

Still, maybe some are now, so nice to have practical perspective from current users.

Addictinggames.com is a good site to test since they have "light" and heavy Flash apps.

Bratag 2009-11-14 20:49

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Havent we had this topic like 5 times before?

Rushmore 2009-11-14 21:06

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 376506)
Havent we had this topic like 5 times before?

In some form or fashion, yes, but no answers. The hope is after the 300 users have had their devices they have actually gotten around to testing how well it really performs for other than video and Wave.

In regards to games, the point about a lack of them has been supplemented by the assumption we can go to Flash content sites, yet no confirmation any of them work very well on the N900.

My other question was about emulators, since all of the examples I have seen show the N900 status bar. I am hoping this is just an option and we can have full screen.

On another subject- Are you going to make a camera app for the N900 :)

Bratag 2009-11-14 21:17

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rushmore (Post 376518)
In some form or fashion, yes, but no answers. The hope is after the 300 users have had their devices they have actually gotten around to testing how well it really performs for other than video and Wave.

In regards to games, the point about a lack of them has been supplemented by the assumption we can go to Flash content sites, yet no confirmation any of them work very well on the N900.

My other question was about emulators, since all of the examples I have seen show the N900 status bar. I am hoping this is just an option and we can have full screen.

On another subject- Are you going to make a camera app for the N900 :)

Depends how good the camera app is with the device - sounds like it is missing a few things I may want. That being said a lot also depends on the ability to access the camera hardware through QT. I a pretty much going all QT with my learning process since it seems to be the future.

Thor 2009-11-14 21:38

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by twaelti (Post 376298)
im currently testing fullscreen streetview inside the browser. actually, its very slow. OTOH: flash earth looks great.
what games are you interested in? i will try them for you and report back

M iniclip has a bunch of games.

Try Bloxorz (aka Nintaii) here:
Bloxorz

Is there a way to save these directly from the N900 browser or on a desktop machine and then play these "offline"?

I've saved it by going here, but not sure if this works "standalone" on an N900 when there's no data connection?

http://www.miniclip.com/games/bloxor...z_miniclip.swf

draco.bdn 2009-11-14 21:54

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor (Post 376555)

Why did you post this game :mad:

I just can't do anything other now! :D

Thor 2009-11-14 22:06

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by draco.bdn (Post 376572)
Why did you post this game :mad:

I just can't do anything other now! :D

:)

I played it a couple of years ago and may still have all the codes...
I have it on the Blackberry Bold as Nintaii too.
Addictive game, and would be brilliant if it could be plaed full screen on the N900.

archebyte 2009-11-14 22:12

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor (Post 376555)
M iniclip has a bunch of games.

Try Bloxorz (aka Nintaii) here:
Bloxorz

Is there a way to save these directly from the N900 browser or on a desktop machine and then play these "offline"?

I've saved it by going here, but not sure if this works "standalone" on an N900 when there's no data connection?

http://www.miniclip.com/games/bloxor...z_miniclip.swf

I downloaded the swf file and was able to open it in the browser (Open-File) in offline mode.

worked like a charm :cool: In full-screen, the 'restore' icon interfered in the lower-right corner just a little bit.

http://pixelpipe.com/item/509e9782-d...b-5d2f3cae2d9f
http://pixelpipe.com/item/fced2564-0...9-ffea8a79992c

Thor 2009-11-14 22:18

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by archebyte (Post 376585)
I downloaded the swf file and was able to open it in the browser (Open-File) in offline mode.

worked like a charm :cool: In full-screen, the 'restore' icon interfered in the lower-right corner just a little bit.

http://pixelpipe.com/item/509e9782-d...b-5d2f3cae2d9f
http://pixelpipe.com/item/fced2564-0...9-ffea8a79992c

Beautiful !

Looks like there'll be lots of games to play, and making a bookmark/shortcut to the swf will enable it to be put on the desktop or a folder, I would think :)

Thor 2009-11-14 22:28

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Here's a Pang clone which has redefineable keys. Will that work on the N900? Would be great if it does :)

http://www.miniclip.com/games/bubble...bletrouble.swf

Here are the downloadable games, I'm going to check it out:
http://www.miniclip.com/games/en/downloadable-games.php

archebyte 2009-11-14 23:02

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor (Post 376593)
Here's a Pang clone which has redefineable keys. Will that work on the N900? Would be great if it does :)

http://www.miniclip.com/games/bubble...bletrouble.swf

Here are the downloadable games, I'm going to check it out:
http://www.miniclip.com/games/en/downloadable-games.php

custom key mapping works fine.

Rushmore 2009-11-14 23:11

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Dang!!!!! :)

N900 should be fine for games for quite a while then :)

The waiting is making me sad now :(

Could you try out games at addictingames.com? Thanks!

archebyte 2009-11-15 15:35

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor (Post 376593)
Here are the downloadable games, I'm going to check it out:
http://www.miniclip.com/games/en/downloadable-games.php

Is there an easy way to find the the URL of the swf file?

Lacedaemon 2009-11-15 15:40

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by archebyte (Post 377056)
Is there an easy way to find the the URL of the swf file?

On Firefox:

Right click somewhere on the page(not on flash) go to View Page Info -> Media and the swf will be located there. You can also save the swf from there.

Thor 2009-11-15 15:41

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by archebyte (Post 377056)
Is there an easy way to find the the URL of the swf file?

I just look at the html source, it's easy to do a search for swf and pick the second one. Yes I know i's old school, but I prefer looking at the code.

Thor 2009-11-15 15:42

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lacedaemon (Post 377061)
On Firefox:

Right click somewhere on the page(not on flash) go to View Page Info -> Media and the swf will be located there. You can also save the swf from there.

I'm going to have to try that. Is there a way to do it in Chrome or Opera? I use those at home, and Firefox/IE at work.

Rushmore 2009-11-15 15:44

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lacedaemon (Post 377061)
On Firefox:

Right click somewhere on the page(not on flash) go to View Page Info -> Media and the swf will be located there. You can also save the swf from there.

Can one of the current users test and see if we can also do this using the N900 in some way? :)

Lacedaemon 2009-11-15 15:56

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor (Post 377063)
I'm going to have to try that. Is there a way to do it in Chrome or Opera? I use those at home, and Firefox/IE at work.

I don't think you can do it the Firefox way. Only by viewing the source code.

On Safari though I think you can locate the swf URL by going to Window -> Activity

Rushmore 2009-11-15 17:04

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by archebyte (Post 376585)
I downloaded the swf file and was able to open it in the browser (Open-File) in offline mode.

worked like a charm :cool: In full-screen, the 'restore' icon interfered in the lower-right corner just a little bit.

http://pixelpipe.com/item/509e9782-d...b-5d2f3cae2d9f
http://pixelpipe.com/item/fced2564-0...9-ffea8a79992c

Did they play smooth and with sound? :)

Dragy 2009-11-15 17:11

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
What about this game?
http://portal.wecreatestuff.com/portal.php
It has a similar resolution. Surely not optimised for a mobile device, but I'm curious.

Rushmore 2009-11-15 17:23

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
How do you do the mouse movement or click functions? A lot of the games use mouse and left clicks.

jandmdickerson 2009-11-15 17:41

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by archebyte (Post 376585)
I downloaded the swf file and was able to open it in the browser (Open-File) in offline mode.

worked like a charm :cool: In full-screen, the 'restore' icon interfered in the lower-right corner just a little bit.

http://pixelpipe.com/item/509e9782-d...b-5d2f3cae2d9f
http://pixelpipe.com/item/fced2564-0...9-ffea8a79992c

Thank you for taking the time to do this at the request of the OP.

I felt the least i could do was to give you some thanks on your post. I think if anyone else was helped by this post then given a thanks by clicking thanks...

twaelti 2009-11-15 18:33

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor (Post 376555)
Miniclip has a bunch of games.
Try Bloxorz (aka Nintaii) here:

The game is really nice, thanks! It worked well on the N900.
Obama Alien Defense however was too slow (5 fps or so) :D

Lacedaemon 2009-11-15 18:37

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by twaelti (Post 377156)
Obama Alien Defense however was too slow (5 fps or so) :D

Well it's a bit slow even on my 2.4Ghz core 2 duo laptop, so.
Flash can be really heavy, unfortunately.

twaelti 2009-11-15 18:40

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rushmore (Post 377134)
How do you do the mouse movement or click functions? A lot of the games use mouse and left clicks.

You can enable Mouse Mode in the browser, this allows you to use a onscreen cursor.

twaelti 2009-11-15 18:41

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragy (Post 377121)
What about this game?
http://portal.wecreatestuff.com/portal.php
It has a similar resolution. Surely not optimised for a mobile device, but I'm curious.

Portal is too slow on the N900. It works, but isn't fun (2 fps?)

twaelti 2009-11-15 18:54

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Ok, so a good site for flash games on the N900 is pickychicky.com. They have fullscreen links for most games.
Just wasted 5 minutes on "Bush Royal Rampage", these sniper games are great fun with cursor mode enabled - much easier to target with the touchscreen than using a mouse! Saved the queen :D

Rushmore 2009-11-15 19:54

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by twaelti (Post 377163)
You can enable Mouse Mode in the browser, this allows you to use a onscreen cursor.


Cool. So you can use the stylus on the display to act like mouse movement? How about mouse click functions? Thanks!

added:

I notice some games do not allow you to save the actual swf file, but just a loader. Must be a way to prevent saving the games for offline.

YoDude 2009-11-15 20:42

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Awhile ago I put together a zip file of some simple games along with a way to navigate to and open them using Maemo's browser.

>> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=288466&postcount=2


Unpack the ZIP file found via the post and place the "games" directory on your memory card. Open Games.html found in that directory with your tablets browser. Save that opened site as a "Favorite" and enjoy.

BTW, if the Browser options on the N900 are the same as the N8**'s, you can download SWF files you find with the MicroB browser directly to the device.

Simply turn off flash and when you browse back to the site with your intended prize, MicroB will now show a download place holder instead of running the Flash.
Download the SWF, re-enable Flash in in MicroB, click on the SWF file from the "File Manager" and rock on. :)

konttori 2009-11-20 07:46

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rushmore (Post 377209)
Cool. So you can use the stylus on the display to act like mouse movement? How about mouse click functions? Thanks!

added:

I notice some games do not allow you to save the actual swf file, but just a loader. Must be a way to prevent saving the games for offline.

Space acts as mouse click

keljuk 2010-07-24 07:35

Re: N900, full screen and Flash performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by twaelti (Post 377164)
Portal is too slow on the N900. It works, but isn't fun (2 fps?)

It's reasonably fast @ 1150mhz :) so thanks for the tip!
Tho I'd really like a real mouse for this one...


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