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detronizator 2009-11-16 17:19

Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
Hello.
I just had a bad day with N900.
I was happily doing my progress with Qt 4.5/6 (yes, bot at the same time until 4.6 gets stable) on Maemo 5.
Then I received the news that "we should all upgrade the firmware today".

Cool, I did.
Then I went to re-enable all the repositories with a very ugly surprise: Extras-Devel (and later on also Extras-Testing) were "weirdly misconfigured".
The file "Release" was not providing the Checksums as supposed to.

A lot of search online and other waste of time trying to figure out WTF was going on.
Then, 5 minutes ago, I decide to "check the repository by hand again".

Everything was back to normal and working flawlessly.

NOW.
I'm absolutelly happy that the problem was quickly fixed, but guys (mainly Nokia guys I guess), please announce big things ONLY WHEN EVERYTHING IS ONLINE, UP, AND RUNNING 100%.

There are "idiots" like me that get exited and upgrade the very next second.

Thanks ;)

theinternet 2009-11-16 18:56

Re: Don't rush with news
 
Out of curiosity, what did you use to update your device?

mikkov 2009-11-16 19:48

Re: Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
Extras-devel having problems and releasing a firmware aren't really related.

Although I had to refresh reposories couple of times before they worked too.

attila77 2009-11-16 20:07

Re: Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
Confirming. It was a server-side issue, I was not able to update my 41-10, too.

detronizator 2009-11-16 20:23

Re: Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikkov (Post 378449)
Extras-devel having problems and releasing a firmware aren't really related.

Although I had to refresh reposories couple of times before they worked too.

They are not related? I didn't know that.
I assumed that there is a coordination between who maintains the repositories and who maintains the FW images.

The problems for me got connected by the fact that reflashing made my device reset. So I needed to reinstall the packages.

BUT, if the "control" of the two things is not coordinated or related, then I didn't know. But let me say that it's fair to assume so.

detronizator 2009-11-16 20:24

Re: Don't rush with news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by theinternet (Post 378384)
Out of curiosity, what did you use to update your device?

Quam Gil blog, of couse ;)

qgil 2009-11-17 03:45

Re: Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
I think I know what was the problem. There is this thick Akamai cache that won't serve exactly the same to all the corners of the Internet at the same second when you do changes like yesterday's.

If we wait until the cache is totally refreshed then people will rush here guessing about the changes before we communicate anything and somebody will tell us that why we release things before announcing them timely.

If we don't have such thick cache then people encounter bandwith problems well known in the past but apparently unexistent nowadays.

detronizator 2009-11-17 07:55

Re: Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qgil (Post 378841)
... somebody will tell us that why we release things before announcing them timely....

LOL
Who in the world would ever do that? :P

Ok, mystery solved. Next time I send my complaint to Akamai :D

twaelti 2009-11-17 21:07

Re: Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
Is that problem still going on? I'm unable to get the catalogue from extras-devel right now due to the same error.
Akamai should be able to sync slightly faster than 24hours, or not? :D

detronizator 2009-11-17 23:24

Re: Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by twaelti (Post 379873)
Is that problem still going on? I'm unable to get the catalogue from extras-devel right now due to the same error.
Akamai should be able to sync slightly faster than 24hours, or not? :D

It's a bit weird: anyone that actually puts his/her ends on those server knows more?

range 2009-11-17 23:51

Re: Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by detronizator (Post 380036)
It's a bit weird: anyone that actually puts his/her ends on those server knows more?

You can purge things when publishing "new versions" of things (downloads, web pages, etc.), but there are different policies by Akamai for different levels of content.

So it is no problem to get web content flushed and refreshed in a very short time, but downloadables can take longer.

24 hours seems to be a tad too long, though - but that all depends on how you configure "your cache" on Akamai.

mikkov 2009-11-17 23:58

Re: Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by twaelti (Post 379873)
Is that problem still going on? I'm unable to get the catalogue from extras-devel right now due to the same error.
Akamai should be able to sync slightly faster than 24hours, or not? :D

Try to remove extras-devel from and app manager, refresh catalogues and put it back.

I've had this problem occasionally at least couple of weeks.

detronizator 2009-11-18 00:15

Re: Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikkov (Post 380071)
Try to remove extras-devel from and app manager, refresh catalogues and put it back.

I've had this problem occasionally at least couple of weeks.

Honestly, unless there is a bug big like a house in AppManager, I don't think this is the case.
The problem is server side, and you can see if you use apt-get from command line.

mikkov 2009-11-18 00:37

Re: Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
Anything is possible here :)

You should open a bug report with exact error messages. It's working fine for me now.

detronizator 2009-11-18 00:40

Re: Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikkov (Post 380111)
Anything is possible here :)

You should open a bug report with exact error messages. It's working fine for me now.

The message was clearly saying that "The Release file was not providing the MD5 of the packages". And indeed, when I downloaded the file manually, they were not there.

Now it's working fine because the file is properly containing all the required infos.

Bundyo 2009-11-18 07:05

Re: Don't rush with news (pre-release units to PR1.0)
 
Well, I'm facing this problem from some time now. There are certain times in the day during which Extras-devel can't be refreshed. I think it happens twice a day and is certainly depressing when hit. :)

Fosho not release related.


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