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jacobmattison 2009-11-19 22:05

Interesting essay from Paul Graham about iPhone and mobile apps
 
http://www.paulgraham.com/apple.html

The part that really struck me, talking about how to get app developers to switch to a new platform and break the power of the iTunes App Store:

Quote:

If you could think of an application programmers had to have, but that would be impossible in the circumscribed world of the iPhone, you could presumably get them to switch.

That would definitely happen if programmers started to use handhelds as development machines—if handhelds displaced laptops the way laptops displaced desktops. You need more control of a development machine than Apple will let you have over an iPhone.

Could anyone make a device that you'd carry around in your pocket like a phone, and yet would also work as a development machine? It's hard to imagine what it would look like.
Um... I have a device that I carry around in my pocket like a phone and that works as a development machine. It's my N800.

Texrat 2009-11-19 22:48

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
Email sent to Paul. ;)

bigr3dd0g 2009-11-19 23:00

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
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Originally Posted by jacobmattison (Post 382872)
Um... I have a device that I carry around in my pocket like a phone and that works as a development machine. It's my N800.

It doesn't replace your laptop though. Limited flash playback ability, no java support, low processor speed/memory. the experience you get on the n800 is no comparison to a desktop or laptop experience, whereas going from a dekstop to laptop there is no significant difference.

there is already a noticeable difference going from a laptop to a netbook in terms of usability and performance, let alone going to an n800 with a much slower processor etc. perhaps a device with a tegra chip would help..

gecebekcisi 2009-11-19 23:03

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
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Originally Posted by bigr3dd0g (Post 382971)
perhaps a device with a tegra chip would help..

Or just the N900 'n its successors.

matthewcc 2009-11-19 23:19

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Quote:

Wanted: Woman with hammer.
hrmmm how about a penguin with lasers for eyes?

hypnotik 2009-11-19 23:58

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
Paul Allen? huh?

bigr3dd0g 2009-11-20 00:00

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
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Originally Posted by hypnotik (Post 383095)
Paul Allen? huh?

wasn't paul allen the guy in american psycho film?

hypnotik 2009-11-20 00:02

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
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Originally Posted by bigr3dd0g (Post 383104)
wasn't paul allen the guy in american psycho film?

co-founder of Microsoft

jjx 2009-11-20 00:06

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
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Originally Posted by bigr3dd0g (Post 382971)
whereas going from a dekstop to laptop there is no significant difference

Pro developers have at least quad core (probably multiple threads per core) desktops with 8GB+ RAM and triple-head displays each one running at 2000xsomething pixels.

It's really quite a leap down, even to the best laptop which is still portable :-)

But I still think it's worth it, to be able to work wherever I feel like :-)

jjx 2009-11-20 00:14

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
The premise of Paul Graham's article seems to apply quite well to the Ovi store too... While Maemo (so far) is quite open, Ovi seems to be quite the opposite, according to other recent threads around here.

Paul Graham's advice is something Nokia's strategists should take a long hard look at, real soon. While they still have potential advantage in this area. It won't last forever.

Munk 2009-11-20 00:42

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
I believe that if we had glasses that could interface with any desktop, laptop, umpc, tablet, phone via say Bluetooth 3, or some future technology that is much faster, and act as a large display, it would further blur the lines of a development platform. They would need to be:
  1. Fast update with no latency
  2. High resolution (minimum of 800x480)
  3. Allow audio to replace the current phone headsets with stereo audio (the new wave of cell phone communications), listen to music, computer feedback, etc.
  4. Light weight so that it can be worn like normal eye wear
  5. Be implantable in prescription glasses
  6. Interface with most anything (Cell phones, laptops, tv's, dvd players, your automobile for enhanced vision/gps/backup view/etc)
  7. Not obtrusive (perhaps, turn completely see through when not in use, this would be just like the bluetooth headsets that people walk around with, sticking out of their ear, when not in use)

Currently, I only do a MINIMUM amount of coding directly on my N810 as the screen real estate is too much of an impact and slows down my own progress to about 5%. Never mind the keyboard input, speed of the device, limitations of RAM, etc. My laptop is my 100% development platform as it needs to go where I go and the tablet is as stated earlier.

WHY DOESN"T THIS EXIST YET!!! I've seen glasses that exist similar to this but their adoption rate, resolution, cost are all pretty bad right now.

jjx 2009-11-20 01:06

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
You can get "high res" 800x480 glasses quite easily - because that's about the same as standard-definition (i.e. low res) old-style TV, and they all do that! (PAL ~= 720x576, NTSC ~= 720x480).

Personally I need them to look like monitors in ordinary use. So minimum 1920x1200 plus peripheral vision or overlaid onto real vision, please. Preferably several times that, so it looks like a regular monitor but placed over reality at appropriate places.

That's still out of range sadly. I look every couple of years. Impressions come across that military types might have access to some portable ones at monitor resolutions, though still not quite like thin spectables, and since that's your whole field of view, it's still quite far off usable as a regular computer overlaid on daily life, though maybe good for immersive AR/VR.

bergie 2009-11-20 06:43

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
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Originally Posted by jjx (Post 383140)
The premise of Paul Graham's article seems to apply quite well to the Ovi store too... While Maemo (so far) is quite open, Ovi seems to be quite the opposite, according to other recent threads around here.

I'm quite sure the App Stores and licensing fees make sense for small business software developers only for the short while that the current "there's an app for that" gold rush holds.

Then people remember again that there are many revenue models outside the scope of licensing. And with many of those Maemo Extras works just as well (or better!) than an Ovi Store would.

What application developers really need is a capable platform that is widely distributed enough to provide opportunities, but also open enough to allow experimentation with different approaches and business models. iPhone isn't that.

kryptoniankid17 2009-11-20 09:04

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 382958)
Email sent to Paul. ;)

maybe we should the community spirit. lets all email him about the developers dream land.

TA-t3 2009-11-20 12:32

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
Why does the title say 'essay from Paul Allen' when the essay is really from Paul Graham? Paul Allen is mentioned, once, somewhere in the article but it wasn't written by him.

jacobmattison 2009-11-20 16:10

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
Yeah, I had a brain fart there -- I knew it was Paul Graham but somehow typed Allen. I edited the post to fix it, but apparently the thread title doesn't update even if you change the post title.

Paul Graham, for anyone who doesn't know him, was one of the creators of Viaweb (which he sold to Yahoo) and now heads a sort of venture capital group that helps startups called Y Combinator. He writes a lot of interesting and often controversial essays about IT, development, startups, etc.

Regarding the NIT as dev environment: yes, the screen is less than ideal, but using a terminal or text editor on my N800 is way more plausible than it would be on an iPhone. I mostly do Java and Ruby development; the N800 doesn't run Java, of course (although I've done development on it via SSH to a server) but it's great for Ruby.

Nonetheless, I do think that the Maemo platform does, in fact, meet Graham's criteria for being exciting to developers; it may be that it just doesn't have quite enough market share (yet) to have the number of apps available take off to iPhone-like levels. Or, of course, that Graham is wrong, but I think he's got a point.

Fargus 2009-11-20 16:44

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Originally Posted by jjx (Post 383121)
Pro developers have at least quad core (probably multiple threads per core) desktops with 8GB+ RAM and triple-head displays each one running at 2000xsomething pixels.

It's really quite a leap down, even to the best laptop which is still portable :-)

But I still think it's worth it, to be able to work wherever I feel like :-)

Not quite sure where you got the triple display from but I sure as heck don't - just a stonking large single screen.

A large number of developers actually use quite lower spec machines when they aren't developing for Windows boxes.

Texrat 2009-11-20 17:01

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Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 384187)
A large number of developers actually use quite lower spec machines when they aren't developing for Windows boxes.

That should be a requirement across the board IMO-- it would help make software more efficient.

les_garten 2009-11-20 17:03

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 382958)
Email sent to Paul. ;)

Did you tell him it's running Linux?

les_garten 2009-11-20 17:04

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
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Originally Posted by bigr3dd0g (Post 383104)
wasn't paul allen the guy in american psycho film?

No, he's the guy that Ran Charter Communications into Chapter 11 last year.

Not to mention Digeo, Vulcan...

I think he had something to do with a Company called Microsoft, a long time ago...

:D

Texrat 2009-11-20 17:45

Re: Interesting essay from Paul Allen about iPhone and mobile apps
 
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Originally Posted by les_garten (Post 384213)
Did you tell him it's running Linux?

Oops.

This was my email:

Quote:

Paul, re:

"Could anyone make a device that you'd carry around in your pocket like a phone, and yet would also work as a development machine?"

Nokia's been doing it for years with Maemo devices (770, N800, N810, N900). The N900 is the first model with cell capability-- brace yourself!

; )


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