Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

Maybe the Nokia Conversations video about emulators wasn't such a good idea.

Nintendo's new piracy tsar takes on Nokia
New legal team to investigate copyright infringement


Nintendo's senior UK PR manager Robert Saunders said: "We take rigorous steps to protect our IP and our legal team will examine this to determine if any infringement has taken place."


Read the rest from:
http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming...n-nokia-654330

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Oh **** that's bad news. :(
I'm a big nintendo fan but I also know that games that aren't older than 20 years still need to be bought(or at least the license) if you want to emulate them legally. However, if you have the copy of the game in your bookshelf, (e.g. I have a lot of old SNES games at home) it is not prohibited to emulate the .snes files in all kind of emulators, so emulating can't really be prohibited.

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

its not about n900 the site techradar was just using n900 as a example if you look nintendo guy does not mention nokia once techradar do all the mentioning of nokia and added a sentence in the middle of quotes making it look misleading , any way just load up all emus on you n900 quickly in case they get pulled from the repo

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I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like rubbish to me. Emulators have existed and been written and produced and used for decades. I've written a couple myself. I'm not aware of any emulator being successfully shot down by IP lawyers.

Obviuosly ROMs and the games themselves (for game emulators) is a completely different story. Going for the emulators won't help the IP lawyers though.

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

It is about Nokia. Did you read the techradar link?

Independent also says it is about N900:

Videogaming giant Nintendo has instructed its legal team to look at whether a move to emulate its older consoles on a mobile phone will infringe its copyright.

A blog post by Finnish mobile phone manufacturer Nokia shows a video of its N900 smartphone containing buttons that, when pressed, appear to open emulators for, among others, Nintendo's Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, NES and SNES.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...t-1828267.html

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heres full article i will hilight nintendo guys quotes in bold and mention of nokia in red
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Nintendo aims to get tough on piracy (and touch on the causes of piracy) with its new 'piracy tsar' looking very closely at possible copyright infringements related to Nintendo games on mobile phones this month.

Nintendo's legal beagles are looking at those phones that are able to run emulators of older Nintendo consoles.

Nokia's N900 smartphone, for example can run emulators for Nintendo's Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, NES and SNES. We know this, because Nokia advertises the fact on its own website!

IP is key

Nintendo's senior UK PR manager Robert Saunders said: "We take rigorous steps to protect our IP and our legal team will examine this to determine if any infringement has taken place."

To be fair, the Nokia video hosted on its website does make it clear that [B]"some emulators require separate ROM images to play games" and that "Most publishers allow individual title usage provided that the user is in possession of the original title."

TechRadar has contacted Nokia for a response to this story. Stay tuned for updates.
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as you can see not once does nintendo mention nokia only the guy writing article does and adds is own lines to beginning of quotes to mislead, its just a nothing story again

edit: even the independent link says nothing about nokia what nintendo have said other than they will look at the video, it will all come to nothing

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Don’t worry, Nokia will use the money from Apple prosecution to pay Nintendo.
With linux it’s impossible to stop emulations. Nokia should just take the emulaters from their sites. Maemo community is another story. Community is not nokia territory. They can’t put every one of us in trial…
This will be very good publicityfor N900.

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

First rule about the fight club, you don't talk about the fight club.

Nintendo is suing Nokia, not maemo. I think they know their games are emulated on every handheld and portable device out there. But it's another thing to adveertise that!

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Emulators are also on the droid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W65pOlUGLxM

so I see nintendo going after google before they set their sites on nokia

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Meh, that's just something to make headlines. I guess "Nintendo sues Marat Fayzullin [the guy who made the vgba emu]" doesn't sound interesting enough to publish. Even if they do have a case, nokia has no part in this, they're suing the driver because his car somehow infringes IP

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

Ah... I guess ignorance is bliss, hmm?

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

Well, I hope you are happy now Nintendo... Everything Nintendo-related is gone from the maemo.org repositories now, probably because of this... :( :mad:

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

Damn. Any idea of another potential home for this stuff?

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The difference is that the video of N900 was posted by Nokia employee on the official Nokia blog. I don't think it was deliberately done by Nokia, but more of a mistake on the part of the employee - he obviously didn't think it through before posting.

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Nintendo has been trying to stop emulators for 10 years now. They were not succesful, and now they're repeating the same game again.
Don't they ever get it, or do they still sell SNES units?

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

luckily i made a mirror of most of the emulators from the repositorys here: http://b-man.xceleo.org/files/emu/ enjoy! :p

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

No, but they do still sell SNES games.

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Emulators don't violate IP on games. It may violate IP on the hardware, but I doubt that as it was all created from clean scratch.
If Nintendo would go after sites offering pirated ROMs I can fully understand that. But going after emulators, or companies that happen to sell a product for which emulators are available, is just not leading anywhere. Nintendo is IMHO happy to finally having found a company behind emulators for the first time. That's why they love to sue Nokia.

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Nintendo sucks when it comes to greed. Honestly, you can't say otherwise. There is something called "gaming libraries" where all video games currently availible on the market can be borrowed for free - just like books. Of course by saying all I mean all but those published by Nintendo. :(

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I would predict that Nintendo will fail suing again.
They even failed when directly suing the creators of snes9x (iirc it was almost 10 years ago) and after a few weeks, the snes9x site was back again. Emulators are not illegal, no matter what Nintendo likes to think.

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Sure? They seem be gone from Extras-devel but they are there yet from Extras:
http://repository.maemo.org/extras/p...ntle/non-free/
http://repository.maemo.org/extras/p...ng-wallpapers/

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

Ok, so maybe i'm misinformed.
On the download page for the vbga emu, it says 'created by Marat Fayzullin'. From what i understand, he's been doing emu's for a long time and for lots of platforms. There seems to be no connection to nokia
So even if the emu is illegal (which it can't be, because it imitates un-patentable algorithms, not hardware), why is nokia sued? They can't be held responsible for 3rd party apps, even if they do distribute them

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Argh... thanks for letting me know, yerga.

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...and when they'll figure out WHO did those icons for all emulators - I'm gonna be totally screwed :D

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

It's just your local cache showing it. It's actually gone now. Thanks.

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I don't think Nokia is sued yet. Nintendo is looking into the situation.

Nevertheless Nokia inadvertently promoted their device by using copyrighted material from Nintendo. Inadvertently because I don't think it was a deliberate corporate decision to make such a video, but since conversations.nokia.com is Nokia's official blog and those who write there are either Nokia employees or get paid by Nokia, Nokia might be responsible. For example you can't just take a song from some artist and promote your product without asking for permission to use said song.

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

The emulator video is marked private and unaccessible.

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Wow so Nokia can do something quickly but only when it's gonna get sued... right ;)

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You're welcome :)
But the packages were really there in that time, it wasn't my cache (mainly because I haven't cached those URLs).

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

Revenge, I tell you. Apple will do anything in its power to see Nokia on the defense table.

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

So in the (possible) case of Nintendo vs Nokia, the plaintiff would be Apple?

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

Wait, was there a Cease and Decist letter received by maemo.org? This sounds to me like saber rattling - why are we being so quick to take down emulators?

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

Probably to prevent any possible damage (gesture of good-will?)
And yes, it is saber-rattling

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repository.maemo.org uses Akamai to cache its content, so you might see slightly different things in different parts of the world, which is what zerojay is referring to as 'local' cache.

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

No. Check here. So, yeah...

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These are very reasonable questions. It may well be that there is a good solid reason for this (temporary?) action, but as so often seems the case there's precious little communication.

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These are reasonable questions. There's a solid reason they were taken down.

That's about all I feel comfortable with saying right now. I don't know if there's any confidentiality attached to what I know.. and in general, it's a good idea not to talk about things when there's possible legal action, right?

I'll let Peter or Quim talk about and respond, if they want to... or if they even could.

No one's happy about the situation. No one involved wants to put Maemo in any sort of risk, so this is the safest option for the moment.

Guess I should remove my avatar, eh? ;)

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

Thanks. I think it would be appreciated (certainly by me, at least) if you could find out for sure whether or not you can tell us more. If not, even a definite statement that you can't talk about it would go a long way.

It would also be a useful basis for any discussion on where to go next - is this just a specific Nintendo problem, or a more general one? For example, Fedora bans all console etc. emulators from the distribution to avoid this issue entirely - is Maemo likely to do the same, and who decides?

Re: Nintendo maybe going to court for N900 Nintendo emulators.
 

Considering the fact that everyone's already had a hellish Friday thanks to this situation and most everyone involved is already in bed and want to relax this weekend, forgive me if I wait until Monday to find out. ;)

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Works for me. :)