How can N900 win the match
 

I am planning to by N900 but I dont trust nokia,

we have developed a aplication for n97, so we tested it a lot, its hardware was good, but the software looks like a unfinished os, and it will never finished becouse n97 will stay at most one year in market,

so i think n900 have a unfinished os to,
there must be a lot of developments on it,
so if nokia give n900 at least 2-3 years, yes n900 would win the match,
dont forget, iphone os had a lot of problems first, it had copy paste capability 2-3 years later, this is the must important difference of iphone, its stays in market more than 3 year, and you can install same software for all iphone,

so conclusion,
what is nokia plan,
if they are planning n920 or another new model with in 2-3 year, iPhone would be the only king of the market,
but if nokia is planning to sell n900 at least 2-3 years in markets, and the give all importance to developt its software yes there will be a new king,

what you think :D,
what would nokia ,
with a year there will be a new model,
if a new model, n900 and nokia will lose the match
iphone is the only phone in my life that i bought 2 year ago, and its still in the market

sory about my english

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Your post doesnt make alot of sense. Firstly, The N97 is running Symbian, while the N900 is running Maemo. The big difference is that Maemo is open source. Its not comparable to Symbian.

Secondly, the iPhone that was released 3 years ago is not the same iPhone thats being sold today. Remember that we first got the iPhone, then the iPhone 3G, then the iPhone 3GS. They are technically three different devices, so saying that the original iPhone is "still on the market" is wrong.

Finally, the N900 doesnt compete with the N900 as they are geared towards two completely different type of users. So if you are after an iPhone competitor, I dont think the N900 will be for you. I believe Maemo is what will keep the N900 alive for quite some time to come.

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Qt is the "one ring". By early next year it will enable extended lives of all Nokia communications products.

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Just because your English is bad
doesn't mean you have to
post 5 words per line.

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

And no, iPhone is not the king of any market... Its geared towards design oriented teenagers and people who want a stylish, yet very easy to use, simple phone. Its good at what it does, but its not the same kind of device as say the N900, HTC Touch Pro's, etc..

Its not just one market..

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

if you ask someone, what was the biggest event in the phone market,95% will say iPhone, so it is the king i think. I used HTC Diamond, it was to slow, but iphone is fast and its exchange aplication is very good,so email is important. But for me example its screen is small, in web, ebooks its problem, and videos is an another problem for iphone. İts time for a new king :) iPhone brought its OS a good level with years, i have iPhone 3g, and it still in the market. And when a new software for iPhone 3gs, i can download and use it. This is important i think. My idea is if nokia gives 2-3 years n900, it will have a very good OS, but it will need time.

I give N97 example, i know its sybian, but its a device, good device, but conclusion its os isnt optimized for the phone, my think nokia doesnt give enough importance to software, good software needs time,

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

A developer that doesnt understand the difference between development platform and a device?

Now I understand why you app looks "unfinished"...

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

But the conclusion still stands, the N900 and the iPhone doesnt compete in the same market. if you think the iPhone is the best phone in the world, then thats great for you, but that also probably means you're not going to enjoy the N900 for what it is.

For me, the iPhone is the worst phone I could get. It cant multi-task (without jailbreaking it and getting a panic attack each time Apple rolls out an update) which means I cant run any IM apps, and SSH'ing my servers would be a nightmare.

SERIOUSLY, stop comparing a mobile computer to the iPhone, its pathetic and useless waste of this forum's database. :/

So, enjoy your iPhone, you should probably stick to it, considering you think of it as the "king". Just dont come here and tell me that 95% of all mobile phone users out there share your love..

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

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Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Becouse of language problem i couldnt explain,
nokia send us a n97 for developing widget aplication, our aplication was giving a lot of errors, but in nokia 5800 no error, they have same OS, same, but in 5800 no problem, in n97 abnormal error. We see a lot of problems in n97 os, we think its software needs a lot of adjustments. You can look forum nokia about problems.

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Cant see how that has anything to do with the N900 and Maemo.. :S

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Okey, sory sory sory sory, this is my last post,
I only tried to say, for me the biggest improtant feature of iphone is its life, a nokia phone stays 1 year in market, n97 have a good hardware, but OS? iPhone stays in market for years, and if you have iphone2g, you can still new OS for your phone, so by time iPhone OS is getting more successful. I am only trying to say this, if nokia n900 will stay in market for 2-3 years, and after 3 year if we can install new os for our n900, yes nokia again can be leader of market,
again sory sory sory

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Only time will tell if Maemo 6 will be released for the N900.

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Dont worry about the language I understood perfectly what you meant... Even though you mention now that same OS for both 5800 and N97 and right after you think the OS needs adjustments but I still am forcing my self to get your point...

Still, Maemo != Symbian && N900 != N97...

And so I can answer you: yes... Nokia is planning to actually evolve their handsets... Bringing MMS and this kind of stuff and not limiting the way people develop for it (different from Apple where you might not even get your widg... ops, I meant app published)

If you want to develop for future nokia handsets now its the time to start learning Qt. But listen to me: iPhone is already showing its wrinkles and people will want more from their phones. People actually want to be on spotify and check their facebook profiles at the same time...

Even with the n97 you could do that but with the "king"... well, the kins is naked in this...

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

You should actually say that a specific Nokia device stays in market for 2 years max and then another version comes... But if you look at the E series they have maintained the same form factor and the OS gets updated... I just ran spotify from a E61i even though it was intended for a E63. Different phones, same OS...

With Maemo will be the same and better... Qt will actually bring both Symbian and Maemo on the same level of development. If it will succeed is a different matter, but the idea is great IMO.

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Not to forget that the icon grid is the closest you get to a desktop on the iPhone. While Android and Maemo gives you a computer like desktop with widgets and icons which presents various information to you without you having to open an application, the iPhone just gives you alot of.. icons.. in a grid.. I got bored just looking at it for 30 seconds..

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Man... The iPhone was the best device that I have ever saw in my entire life. That was soooo 2007... :P

I am totally in love with the N900... Heck I just found out that there is tracker-search on the thing... This is so hot that will be my next pick up line in the bars :P

Sure dilbert feels the same as me:
http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip...4412.strip.gif

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

i like software support of iPhone only. After 3 year you can download a new os for your iphone.

Only itunes is enough for hate iphone no need more. I said at the begining that I am planning to buy N900.

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Hi guys,

I think that what yba try to say is not compare Iphone vs N900 like phone.

I think he is trying to say is that if you bought an Iphone 3 years ago you still have (if I'm not wrong) the phone on the market. You can update it and get almost the same functionalities than the Iphone 3GS. You can still get almost the same apps for the phone.

However if you have bought a N97 some months ago you are ****ed. If Nokia is planning to go for Maemo for the next high specs phones then your phone (N97) is going to be forgiven (soon or later).

I'm going to buy a couple of N900 (one for me one for my girfriend). However, I'm really worried about the fact that maybe the live of the phone will be one year and a half (just in case Nokia releases Maemo6 with the "N920" and I can't upgrade the OS).

On my opinion having to buy a new "phone" the next year to get up to date sucks. This platform should be get updated on the future... (I mean after the launch of Maemo 6)At least I hope so...

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

I get what you're saying. It's true, any phone can be king as long as their software is polished enough. And to this point, iphone has been very dedicated to polishing its software to be compatible across all devices. people like things that "just work" and keep working. Maemo does need time to evolve, and i agree that if nokia really wants this to dominate the iphone, they must put much more work in software development and marketing (to potential devopers) and rely less on the community (which may not always produce the quickest results).

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Don't let anyone upset you, you have nothing to apologize for. And I hope it's not you last post.

Anyway, I get what you mean and I agree. Apple updates the iPhone hardware and OS now and then to keep pace with technology, but it's basically the same - looks the same, works the same way as the original. And the latest iPhone OS and most apps will install on an original 3-year old iPhone.

This means a consistency appealing to both uses and developers. It also promotes owner loyalty, since buyers know they'll be instantly familiar with the UI and that their expensive new toy will have long-term support and upgrades, no forced obsolesence.

Nokia on the other hand, is using a very different approach. Make hundreds of models for every concievable user, not one for many users. Cover the entire market, not a large portion of it.. IOW, they're kinda all over the place.

That's worked out well in the past, but things have changed. Developers need a consistent platform. Users need a UI and software that offers some consistency and portability, so that every time they get a new phone they don't have to spend a couple of weeks figuring it out and doing setup. And when spending big money for a phone, many expect to have it supported and use it for 2-3 years. I know I certainly expect 2 years or more from a N900 (if I ever get it).

So I agree, if Nokia wants to compete against iPhones and Android they need to concentrate on making fewer models and make sure they work really well and support them for a long time instead of cranking out multiple similar models that are never quite fully cooked. Maybe a happy medium somewhere between Apple's super simple idea and Nokia's throw it all against the wall and see what sticks approach.

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

@ yba : you dont have to apologize..i know that english is not ur main language..and me too ^^ so keep posting if you want to..dont let anyone upset you.
And to Nokia..IMO i think they really need to think about the sentence "quality over quantity". And hopefully 2-3 years later, I wish that I would be able to update to Maemo 6/7/8....with my N900.

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

nokia has supported symbian for the last eight years (10 if you count back to the original symbian deal with psion). apps developed for s60 then work (mostly) now.

the n900 was never expected to be a success, it was a niche product by a niche team in nokia. now olli-pekka and the rest of the nokia board are in a dilemma: they have invested hundreds of millions into s60v5 and it's a dud. they have invested nothing in maemo and it's great. instituitional inertia is very strong.

assuming nokia's board makes the correct decision, maemo has a decade of support ahead of it. i love the n900, and must put my trust in the finns to do the right thing.

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

cbao.rambo, Crashdamage and fdhung2501
thank you, thank you, thank you,
at the end, I am crying ;)
I think i have a communication problem, nobody understands me except you, thank you again, thats all,

if you develop a aplication for s60 platform, you must change it for all s60 platform phones it doesnt matter, all they use s60, try and see, its a horror film for developers. At 5800 our aplications loads images no problem, but at n97 after a time images crupted, its a memory problem, but phones os memory management problem, no problem at 5800, nokia forum said wait for new relase. But the the phone will wait in the market.

n900 hardware is very goog, maemo good chose, but they need time, so nokia must give them time, so developers will do remain

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Its funny how I see a massive generalization of things around here...

People tend to think about the North American market as the only gold pot in the world and forget that the growing markets are actually in Asia, Africa and Latin America.

One device to rule all does not apply in this markets. Sadly the rest of the world can't actually afford to buy SUV's and change their phones with the latest bling. Nokia does very well in the low end market and kinda, just kinda, lost the touch after the iPhone came out... The times they are a-changing.

Money is on the more expensive models, indeed, but Nokia will catch up. Interest will fade on the iPhone OS as well since everything looks the same, behaves the same and will look old if they dont upgrade.... The excuse that people are actually "looking for consistency" holds true till a certain point. Then people will get bored and the OS will fall on ostracism...

Nokia should focus on bringing content to its device. Buy spotify, buy some video provider... Do something and integrate it to the devices. This will bring the big bucks to it... Apple is doing very well on this part even though the iPhone irritating to use.

I guess that my only advice to nokia is: Add some bling, possibility to download britney spears album and 2 tickets for a McMeal... We have a winner!

Seriously now, about M6 on the n900 I have my doubts. Nokia has mentioned that M5 is a transitioning platform to the last step, hence the lack of marketing compared to an inferior model (aka n97), and things will be in a better shape on M6. BUT, if the n900 proves to be the ultimate success outselling even the n97 do you really think Nokia will shoot itself in the foot and infuriate the GEEK base?! The same geeks that develop for this platform? I dont have an answer but I think they are examining very carefully how the developer interest and consumer interest are linked and will decide to support, or not, the device...

And OH... almost forgot. In Apple you pay for your OS "updates". Which include letting me use my Bluetooth (thanks Apple you are so damn kind) and having MMS... Nokia you get this for free so lets stop whining okay?

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

of course, if you'd been an apple OS IX developer you'd be pretty p155ed off when apple came up with OS X :-)

seriously though: nokia has supported symbian and s60 for almost a decade, and will continue to do so for years more. i merely hope that, just as windows suceeded dos, maemo will succeed s60.

Re: How can N900 win the match
 

Or you also dont understand us.

As it was mentioned before Qt will try to solve this, if you are still interested take a look at it.