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shady 2009-12-05 23:23

N900 Web Browser`
 
Has anyone with access to a N900 tried to complete the ACID3 test, and if not would anyone be able to run the test and see how it compares to a webkit browser, if a webkit browser can eve run the test. opera mobile on my phone threw 4 exceptions, and halted the test after 0.87s. Would you mind posting a video comparison, hopefully someone can clue me in. I like this computer but want a way to analyze the differences b.w the sony xperia x10 and the n900.
as far as everyone saying its a complete and competent browser, i would just like to see how it holds up against real desktop browsers, and webkit.

thanks a lot!!!

ps: first post "HEY EVERYONE!!!" been reading about the N900 for a while but havent seen the tests run outside of independent battery issues, at least on this forum, PLUS im done with unboxing videos on youtube in 10 different languages, we need something substantive now that the device is out.

noobmonkey 2009-12-05 23:27

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Originally Posted by shady (Post 412241)
Has anyone with access to a N900 tried to complete the ACID3 test, and if not would anyone be able to run the test and see how it compares to a webkit browser, if a webkit browser can eve run the test. opera mobile on my phone threw 4 exceptions, and halted the test after 0.87s. Would you mind posting a video comparison, hopefully someone can clue me in. I like this computer but want a way to analyze the differences b.w the sony xperia x10 and the n900.
as far as everyone saying its a complete and competent browser, i would just like to see how it holds up against real desktop browsers, and webkit.

thanks a lot!!!

ps: first post "HEY EVERYONE!!!" been reading about the N900 for a while but havent seen the tests run outside of independent battery issues, at least on this forum, PLUS im done with unboxing videos on youtube in 10 different languages, we need something substantive now that the device is out.

heya, never heard of the acid3 test - would help if you posted a link in future :)

Well it counts up to 94/100 on the browser on 3g - my laptop goes to 93 on wireless ?! lol

So no idea what that means....

Sopwith 2009-12-05 23:38

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Originally Posted by noobmonkey (Post 412245)
heya, never heard of the acid3 test - would help if you posted a link in future :)

The first result from Google:

http://acid3.acidtests.org/

...on a second thought:

http://www.google.com/

noobmonkey 2009-12-05 23:42

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Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 412262)
The first result from Google:

http://acid3.acidtests.org/

...on a second thought:

http://www.google.com/

Cocky sod - i said in future - found it and provided my test results....

Why is everyone on here getting ridiculous - second post tonight where someone posts a google link to be funny.... wouldn't have minded if you had actually been useful and cocky at the same time....

You could have been slightly more useful by doing the tests yourself, maybe explaining the Acid tests to the rest of the world who don't understand it?

MrGrim 2009-12-05 23:42

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The acid tests try out different browsers for functionality and standards compliance. Acid3 is the latest and greatest. And firefox 3.5 gets 93/100. Few browsers get 100 (i think chrome does)

noobmonkey 2009-12-05 23:44

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Originally Posted by MrGrim (Post 412267)
The acid tests try out different browsers for functionality and standards compliance. Acid3 is the latest and greatest. And firefox 3.5 gets 93/100. Few browsers get 100 (i think chrome does)


ooo intruiging, mine does say 94? - random :) - but the laptop is ff3.5 - so that makes sense :)

Alex Atkin UK 2009-12-05 23:50

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Originally Posted by noobmonkey (Post 412271)
ooo intruiging, mine does say 94? - random :) - but the laptop is ff3.5 - so that makes sense :)

Eeek, Konqueror still sucks it seems (4.3.2) as it only reaches 89 and complains that it failed the links test. It also seems to draw the whole box too large.

I had to try it though, as people seem to think WebKit is the holy grail of HTML rendering but in my experience, its usually much worse than Gecko although faster. Its hardly rocket science to do things faster by doing them wrong though.

Eeeek, iPod Touch Safari reaches 100.

That said it clearly says the animation should be smooth and its not, it stalls several times. But then I haven't seen it run on anything and NOT stall at least twice, so I find the test rather dubious.

weymouthstan 2009-12-05 23:50

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My laptop (Thinkpad / wi-fi / Win 7 / ie 8) craps out at 12!!!

Sopwith 2009-12-05 23:53

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Originally Posted by noobmonkey (Post 412266)
Why is everyone on here getting ridiculous - second post tonight where someone posts a google link to be funny.... wouldn't have minded if you had actually been useful and cocky at the same time....

Chill, mate. Your alias is "monkey", your avatar is a monkey, you care to inform us in your post you didn't know what the acid test was, you run a browser that doesn't get 100/100 (get Opera 10), you add the irrelevant for the test info about the type of connection -- and then you wonder why people act smart with you...

Thanks for the results of the test by the way.

Carl Ed 2009-12-05 23:53

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Originally Posted by weymouthstan (Post 412280)
My laptop (Thinkpad / wi-fi / Win 7 / ie 8) craps out at 12!!!

You still use IE?

msa 2009-12-05 23:58

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opera gets 100/100 :>

noobmonkey 2009-12-05 23:59

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Originally Posted by msa (Post 412297)
opera gets 100/100 :>

cool :) - forgot to test it with that :) - always seem to use Firefox these days.

Is that the newest version of opera?

Carl Ed 2009-12-06 00:02

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Originally Posted by noobmonkey (Post 412301)
cool :) - forgot to test it with that :) - always seem to use Firefox these days.

Is that the newest version of opera?

Any version from 10.0 onwards.

weymouthstan 2009-12-06 00:11

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Originally Posted by Carl Ed (Post 412289)
You still use IE?

I use all sorts. I don't have any particular hate for ie.
I'd have thought thought the world's most popular browser would have scored better, though...

bdogg64 2009-12-06 01:46

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I got a score of 94/100. Posted from the N900 browser

ewan 2009-12-06 02:11

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Mobile Firefox also makes it up to 94, which isn't too surprising since it's just another Gecko browser.

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Originally Posted by weymouthstan (Post 412317)
I don't have any particular hate for ie.

This test shows the reason you should. IE is truly shockingly bad at standards compliance, and that combined with it's monopoly derived dominance holds back the development of the web for all of us.

shady 2009-12-06 10:24

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hey guys, wow thanks for the responses, and thats not as great as i thought it would do, i think the droid gets a 94 as well i tested in a store this evening, and that was the first thing i tried out.

its good to know that its at least as good as FF on a desktop, and what ive seen online a few videos is promising, i like the device, thanks for the analysis guys appreciate it!

Alex Atkin UK 2009-12-06 10:29

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I do not think this test is the holy grail of tests people think it is. It proves it correctly supports a certain list of functionality, but does it prove you can actually use that functionality several times on a page without the browser falling over? I don't think it does.

So like many benchmarks, it gives you a good base but goes nowhere to prove its actually usable in the real world.

joppu 2009-12-06 10:49

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Originally Posted by weymouthstan (Post 412317)
I'd have thought thought the world's most popular browser would have scored better, though...

Perhaps the "popularity" is due to fact that it's the browser that ships with the Operating System that has 95% market share?. And thus most internet users just use it since they think Internet Explorer is synonymous to Internet.

Heck, most people don't even know what a browser is.

noobmonkey 2009-12-06 11:23

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Originally Posted by joppu (Post 412709)
Perhaps the "popularity" is due to fact that it's the browser that ships with the Operating System that has 95% market share?. And thus most internet users just use it since they think Internet Explorer is synonymous to Internet.

Heck, most people don't even know what a browser is.

hehe, that vid was funny!! worked well on the n900 too :)

squirreluk 2009-12-06 16:16

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Sorry i know nothing about internet on mobile phones, will i be able to listen to live footballl through the internet? also would i be able to watch live football from the internet through the phone? if yes how much mb would it take to watch or listen to a game?

noobmonkey 2009-12-06 16:28

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Originally Posted by squirreluk (Post 413015)
Sorry i know nothing about internet on mobile phones, will i be able to listen to live footballl through the internet? also would i be able to watch live football from the internet through the phone? if yes how much mb would it take to watch or listen to a game?

Sorry squirrel you would need to be alot more specific!

I can listen happilly to radio 5 live :) - works fine for me.
I can watch youtube footy clips, and also listen to podcasts (including sports ones)...

What it struggles with is the live tv / larger streamers such as iplayer. Sound is ok, but video is unwatchable.

WIth regards to data - it really depends on what you are watching - hence more specific.
If you have any test websites, i can try them for you :)

squirreluk 2009-12-06 16:32

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Originally Posted by noobmonkey (Post 413031)
Sorry squirrel you would need to be alot more specific!

I can listen happilly to radio 5 live :) - works fine for me.
I can watch youtube footy clips, and also listen to podcasts (including sports ones)...

What it struggles with is the live tv / larger streamers such as iplayer. Sound is ok, but video is unwatchable.

WIth regards to data - it really depends on what you are watching - hence more specific.
If you have any test websites, i can try them for you :)

I was on about live football streams that can be found on the net.

noobmonkey 2009-12-06 16:34

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Originally Posted by squirreluk (Post 413041)
I was on about live football streams that can be found on the net.

any examples? - sorry i don't know any so can't test... - and no point me finding a random one.... it may be different to ones you use!

MrGrim 2009-12-06 17:24

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Now kids, remember that the acid test isn't exactly a measuring line - it's more a test of the browser's ability to jumps through some (pretty arbitrary) hoops. Of course, a big score is nice, but somewhere above 90 is pretty good enough. As for IE, i'm not surprised, those people don't care about any standards anyway. They're proud their latest IE8 is able to get 32!
@squirreluk, most streams should work, as long as they're a common enough format, not some exotic stuff. How much traffic you use up by doing this depends on what quality the stream has and how it's compressed. But if you can find wi-fi, it's free!

Bundyo 2009-12-06 19:10

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Actually IE8 is getting 20. IE9's early tech preview is getting 32.


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