Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

Is there a workaround?

Currently I'm down to 38MB..apparently I was told I need more than this.

Had problems trying to update the apps before due to 'disk full'

Don't really want to uninstall any of the apps or games I got on N900 at the moment.

If the apps are all going to be installed on the little 256MB of space available, I think we got a big problem here.

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

Well, this has been discussed a lot. Check for non-optified apps from extras-devel or testing. If you have a lot of apps installed, maybe remove some of them
Not really much of a solution out there yet

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

How do I check to see if the app is optified or not?

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

Have you tried rebooting ? Apparently that will clear up some space if you install multiple apps concurrently.

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

Note that https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450 is related here. Some fixes will be available in a software update that will be out soon(TM).

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

Is this software update something that will require complete reflash? or is it like a computer-based software update (individual package updates).

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

You don't need more than that.

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

Venomrush, do you mind detailing which repositories have you enabled? Only Extras or did you go deeper at Extras-testing or Extras-devel?

Also, please list the apps you have installed so we can help you (and others like you) by filing bugs in the case one of these apps is not optified and not aware of the issue.

To anybody else reading this thread, now you see that there is probably a good reason to have a big disclaimer at the top of http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing & http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

For the repositories I got:

1. Nokia Applications
2. Nokia Software System Updates
3. Maemo Extras
4. Maemo Extras-Testing
5. Maemo 5 SDK Tools
6. Tajuma
7. Maemo Devel

It failed to update for Devel when rootfs is full. See screenshot - http://pixelpipe.com/item/7ce5dd3f-1...c-e90f03818414

The apps I got installed:

100boxes
account-plugin-haze
AlmostTI Graphing Calc Emulator
Attitude
Bounce Evolution
Countdown Home Desktop Widget
Crash Reporter
Crimson Fields
Custom Operator Name Applet
Documents To Go Viewer Edition
eCoach
Facebook Widget and Photo Uploader
FM Radio Player
free42
Gonvert
Hermes
Hex-a-Hop
liqflow
loqtorch
load-applet
loacation-test-gui
Mad Bomber
maelstrom
mauku
mbarcode
Microfeed backend
Midori
Mirror
OpenTTD
Pidgin Internet Messenger
Pixelpipe Upload and SHare
qik
Quicknote
Recorder
rootsh
SolarWolf
Sopwith
SuperTux
systeminfowidget (the one with memory leak fix)
The Ur-Quan Masters
theremin
Transmission
tuner
Variations on Rockdodger
Witter
xournal
zoutube


Note that all these apps versions = the version in Extras-Testing and not the newest version found in Devel

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

And you have 38 MB free on rootfs? I don't see any problem here.

Two things, midori and python, are eating 20-30 MB from your rootfs. Update to python is done, but there's some difficulty to get it deployed to Extras and to devices. Midori just needs to be fixed.

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

I don't understand why you're not see any problems here.
Are you saying in other for me to install many more upcoming release apps, I would need to uninstall the existing ones to get rootfs space for the new ones? That's just rubbish how that work, why would you have to remove existing apps to create space for new apps. I don't see any other devices have this ridiculous issue.

These apps are very little considering many more apps to come that I will install along side.

I don't have pymaemo installed yet.

I am considering getting rid of the N900 if there are no workarounds to install the apps elsewhere and stop it from constantly using up rootfs for each installations eventually leading to fail updates and limit the number of apps that you can have installed on the N900.

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

there is nothing to do. start begging for developers to optify their software, it is the only solution to your software.

proposal: uninstall software and reinstall asap when the software appears @ extras.

and this is just what you get when playing with extras testing & devel. nobody can guarantee that all goes 110% fine when installing stuff from there. I'd say that low disk space @ / is pretty minimal annoyance.

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

Android and the iPhone both also have this problem (well not as much for the iPhone but it has happened in exteme cases). For Android they have to use a solution similar to ours for the older tablets (basically boot off the memory card if I recall). For the iPhone you just have to take off apps and put them back on later.

It's not as much as you have to uninstall apps, it's more that developers need to start /optifying their apps (to install to the 2 GB partition) instead of the limited root partition. It is possible to expand it though if your comfortable with the terminal and flashing (root or opt). Do a search for partitioning, I'd give his username but I have no idea how to replicate it since it's not in english characters.

Though your going run into a problem either way as developers begin moving to /opt making your large /root partition relatively moot unless you like to test deval software since then everything will be correctly installing to /opt. You could link them though.

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

Current process for promoting to Extras (where they are optified) takes too long IMO
There should be a requirement that apps must be optified before promoting from devel -> extras-testing

How can we expect to test them if we can't even install them :\

The current workarounds seem to be too technical for those not familiar with terminal or running bash scripts, and those warnings that you may need to reflash isn't comforting.

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

what do you think the situation is in the future?

once optified software mystically will be de-optified in following versions every time it isn't at extras? or the optification process came a bit behind the bush and now you just have to wait for everyone to do the optification and after that you can forget this problem....

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

I propose starting a brainstorm if there isn't one already exists

Testing apps become limited as we can't test/trial that many apps at the same time, this is the bottleneck, the result is as I mentioned, taking to long for apps to promote to Extras

But for now, is it reasonable to spam with comments for apps in Extras-testing with comments such as "I can't test you, my rootfs is full, optify!" :p

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

I think there are already people working hard to make it easy to repartition the internal 32GB flash, and install the OS to, and boot from, there. Those that do that will not need to care whether an application is optified.

If the n900 can be booted from the microSD card, then testing can be done without much risk of mucking up a working system.

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

didn't you read what i just wrote?

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

Of course and I don't agree with "now you just have to wait for everyone to do the optification and after that you can forget this problem"
There are areas that can be changed to improve the overall process.

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

yes, but your problem will be forwarded to /dev/null as soon as developers react to optification.

this is a temporary problem caused by last minute change to filesystem. so there is no need to do changes just for it because the issue will vanish pretty soon. aka "all that work for nothing"

sometimes it is only good to wait. and sometimes you just must. when somebody starts to rush, the result will be ****ed up, i promise.

just start emailing the developers. if you would have done that instead this thread, you would have gotten somewhere. if you have further improvements, see ya @ brainstorm and bugzilla.

Re: Full rootfs stops me from installing more apps
 

optification works. Once developers get better, optification will happen sooner in the process than it is now.

If you choose to be a tester, you should be prepared to deal with the consequences/annoyances.