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solarion 2009-12-09 17:06

Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
In German:
http://www.faz.net/s/Rub36B71B0E8E5C...~Scontent.html

My (probably weak) translation:
[Title: "Unfortunately, difficult to use."]

This year, Nokia has not released a phone which we can recommend without reservation. We bought the new n900 for 600 Euros because a new, linux-based operating system called Maemo is being used. But after a few days, our desire for new things has been greatly diminished.

Immediately by operating it, one finds a basic construction mistake; the device with its camera cover mounted on the back doesn't lay on the table, but rather wiggles and tips when one wants to work with the tiny keyboard keys. In addition, it has no dedicated telephone buttons; one must always go into the menu. The next surprise: the offered data alignment [not sure what "Datenabgleich" means here] with Mail for Exchange doesn't work on our n900. The emails from Google can be loaded, but not contacts and calendar entries. Word- and Excel-attachments can only be viewed for 30 days with the bundled demo software. The internet browser doesn't understand multitouch and shows, for example on faz.net [their website] shows only one column instead of the three to four like its competitors.

[Image of n900 with caption "The Nokia N900 with side keyboard is seldom a pleasure" or "The Nokia N900 with side keyboard gives happiness seldom" to be more literal]

The email system doesn't work correctly with HTML formatting. Telephone numbers in the email cannot be dialed with a single click. There is no real call list. We have previously complained about the incorrect symbols in the call list, but this is even worse: there isn't even a possibility anymore to find out if a colleague called from the office or his private cellphone. We could easily continue this list of the minor and major difficulties.

[Subsection title: The display changes by itself to side display]

The K.O. criterion for the n900 is its interface. It is neither designed to be consistently usable ["kosequent ... zugeschnitten"] with the stylus nor with a finger. From this comes an unexpected mish-mash system, at least for people over 30. For a a large portion of the menu use, the display changes to side display, even if one doesn't want it. When one strokes over the menu items with a finger, the device doesn't distinguish with sufficient precision whether the contents should be scrolled down or if one wants to select a menu item. One constantly ends up in the wrong menus, and then one searches without success for an escape key. All this is torture.

It may be that the N900 with its multitasking and different virtual desktops, 5 megapixel camera and nigh on complete offering is a good device. We have tried it out for a few days with an open mind, but we think that there are now certain standards for smart phones to which the user interface must adhere [more literally, back before which one cannot take the interface]. One doesn't need to mention the iPhone. The new Motorola Milestone, the Palm Pre, or the HD2 from HTC are products which one can master to the extent of being fun within a half hour. This is not the case with the N900.

benny1967 2009-12-09 21:49

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Strange review... I mean, I do agree with some of the points (the scrolling is horrible, and the list of missed calls is ebarrassing), but he makes such a fuzz about not being able to type with the device flat on a table... WTF?

Also, he says the browser is bad because it only shows the first headline on http://www.faz.net wheras other mobile browsers show at least three... He doesn't say (probably because he doesn't know) that other mobile devices are redirected to a trimmed-down mobile version of the site, while the N900 is the only one that shows the site as you see it on the desktop. Which is the whole point of the N900's browser.

Sometimes I don't even understand what he writes about. When he says that for many of the operations the N900 "changes to landscape" - it is in landscape! What is this guy doing to the poor phone if he thinks it changes to landscape mode too often?

Raubtier 2009-12-09 22:02

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 419703)
the list of missed calls is ebarrassing),

could you kindly tell me whats up with the list of missed calls, whats wrong with it?

solarion 2009-12-09 22:29

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Ah, "Artikelanreisser" is "headline." Makes sense, now that you mention it. Thanks also for "Querformat" -> "Landscape." What's "Portait" then?

benny1967 2009-12-09 22:33

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
@raubtier:

first of all, there's no list of missed calls. there's mixed list of in- and outgoing plus missed calls. not very nice.

then there's what FAZ writes: i can see that mr. smith called me. fine. i tap on mr. smith, and all i get is a list of numbers i have in my address book for mr. smith. now which should i dial?

benny1967 2009-12-09 22:36

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by solarion (Post 419775)
Ah, "Artikelanreisser" is "headline." Makes sense, now that you mention it. Thanks also for "Querformat" -> "Landscape." What's "Portait" then?

artikelanreisser isn't really headline - it's the little block of text you find on the front page that is meant to catch your attention for the article itself. i don't know the proper english word. ;)

"querformat" = landscape
"hochformat" = portrait

kanishou 2009-12-09 23:00

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Also "Datenabgleich" would be synchronisation.

This is really an odd review, but may well match many casual user's opinion. The N900 is definitely for users who have a slightly better idea of what they want, and who are tech savvy enough to know that you are supposed to use that keypad with your thumbs while holding it, not touch typing with the device lying flat on a table...

Well actually, I can't find anything in that article that makes any sense whatsoever. It sounds a lot like "I was confused and didn't get it", which is a fair statement, but a bit weak for an article.

solarion 2009-12-09 23:28

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Thanks for all the German tips/corrections!

ArnimS 2009-12-10 08:37

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
The author of this review is http://www.dr-spehr.de .

This quality of this review matches that of his dissertation and past writing for the FAZ.

He studied History and Sociology at the University of Bielefeld, and chose as his dissertation an apology for the activities of 19th century industrial terrorists.

Those who speak german may wish to contact the Frankfurter Allgemeine and let them know a thing or two about the N900.

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub7A8E4CB0AD8D...mon~Sform.html

[EDIT]Addendum:

Now that i've read more reviews, I do have more understanding for the views of people approaching it as a 'smartphone' and not a small linux computer with a tight UI and great built-in peripherals. This doesn't change my appraisal of the man's reviews Frankfurter Allgemeine, which have been awful and one reason for my dropping my FAZ subscription.

pycage 2009-12-10 11:43

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
FAZ has a high reputation in Germany, but this review certainly doesn't match that.
Yes, it's the first impressions that count for many users, and yes, the N900 is not a phone for dumbphone users (such as the iPhone is). But the quality of this review is just bad. How comes the reviewer even has a job as journalist? The article is not only badly written, it's also full of rant. Not the kind of writing style I'd expect from FAZ...

solarion 2009-12-10 15:54

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Yeah, I like to read them because they generally have actual *news* reports, not the sensationalist crap that I usually get (in the US anyway). Wish I had the money to subscribe fer rill. Whenever I'm back, I like to grab a copy.

Wish I had empirical observations of the n900. Can't get it until t-mobile starts carrying it. :(

unkn0wn 2009-12-10 16:34

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Ich dachte immer die faz ist eine gute zeitung die auch gut recherchiert aber n900 testen sollten die besser anderen überlassen. Aber nicht den chip leuten.
Der test auf chip.de ist mind. genauso schlecht.

earksiinni 2009-12-10 16:55

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ArnimS (Post 420336)
The author of this review is http://www.dr-spehr.de .

This quality of this review matches that of his dissertation and past writing for the FAZ.

He studied History and Sociology at the University of Bielefeld, and chose as his dissertation an apology for the activities of 19th century industrial terrorists.

Those who speak german may wish to contact the Frankfurter Allgemeine and let them know a thing or two about the N900.

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub7A8E4CB0AD8D...mon~Sform.html

And I just graduated having studied History and History of Art with a master's degree in Humanities, and for my thesis I wrote on the medieval and Renaissance interpretation of an ancient Greek climatic idea called the "torrid zone"--yet I'm also maintaining AbiWord for Maemo and backporting Gtk+ from Fremantle to Diablo and Mer!

The true failure, not with him as a reviewer of course but in general, is that more people don't get involved with open source. I started as a user who simply wanted to get more stuff done with his computer.

I should add, too, that my love of the internet tablets and my desire to improve them stems directly from my graduate research, which made me think very carefully about the connection between the physical way we create and communicate our ideas and their quality. Perhaps if he had composed his dissertation on an N800 as I intend to he would have been a better writer (I'm serious).

BTW, I was working on my own translation, I hope no one minds if I post it this afternoon once I'm done. Ich will zu immer ein Schritt voraus stellen anmuten nicht, aber das ist fur mich eine rare Gelegenheit zu ubersetzen mit Deutschen Mutterspracheleren =).

etuoyo 2009-12-10 17:35

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 419785)
@raubtier:

first of all, there's no list of missed calls. there's mixed list of in- and outgoing plus missed calls. not very nice.

then there's what FAZ writes: i can see that mr. smith called me. fine. i tap on mr. smith, and all i get is a list of numbers i have in my address book for mr. smith. now which should i dial?

Lol had this problem today. Someone called me but no way to check which number the person called me from so I could call the person back on that number. The single list for all calls is also quite quite annoying. Also annoying that no way to tag a number as default or at least move it up the list. When I want to call my wife I need to look at the actual numbers to determine which is her mobile so I can dial that.

Helmuth 2009-12-10 17:42

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 419792)
artikelanreisser isn't really headline - it's the little block of text you find on the front page that is meant to catch your attention for the article itself. i don't know the proper english word. ;)

What about "abstract" ?

At etuoyo:
Thanks. Please report here: Improving the Maemo 5 phone experience

Argonui 2009-12-10 19:57

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Well - I think the FAZ isn't that far off. Granted, in the 5 days I have had the N900 now, I've mainly tried to get the GPS to work - what a joke.

Still - looking for PIM synchronisation, one finds an entry "Mail for Exchange". Hey, isn't that this Microsoft product? On my Maemo? :eek:
Around here, many people seem to need synchronisation with Google. And there seems to be none?
How do I get my KDE kontacts onto the N900?

Why on earth do directories like the default places for music, sounds, videos, documents ... have to be hidden folders? Well, they aren't hidden from that file manager which shows some weird selection of your disk content - what is shown as "Nokia N900/Documents" is actually "/home/users/MyDocs/.documents" - is this device running Linux or rather Windows?

There is this Program Manager. It seems to take it's package lists from repository.maemo.org - but it doesn't show all the stuff there is. I checked this while searching for the pakcage "location-test-gui" to debug the GPS.
Of course, I should have apt-get - installed it in a shell, but that much typing is a bit of a hassle compared to a single click.

So, a number of issues that can also confuse a N900 beginner coming from the Linux side, not just the "dumbphone users" ;)

solarion 2009-12-10 20:42

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmuth (Post 421248)
What about "abstract" ?

At etuoyo:
Thanks. Please report here: Improving the Maemo 5 phone experience

"Abstract" is longer and more formal. There may not be a direct translation; "article teaser" may be a good parallel concept.

in-effect 2009-12-10 20:54

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
the only thing i take from the review is that the n900 is far from polished, largley because it's open source it would seem. isn't this also the same reason that such complaints can be fixed?

i don't consider my hope that the Maemo 5 experience will be improved to be naive, so i am excited to be getting a powerful, groundbreaking phone that will improve over time.

and anyway i'm a techie and a gadget freak - i like my devices to be a) a challenge to use b) do stuff they're not supposed to (e.g. snes emulation - the main reason i got it. really.) c) impress people who don't have one.

:)

SubCore 2009-12-10 23:12

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by solarion (Post 421555)
"Abstract" is longer and more formal. There may not be a direct translation; "article teaser" may be a good parallel concept.

i believe "outline" or maybe "digest" (from Abriss) would be appropriate. "stub" also works.

"Anreisser" is just a colloquial form of "Abriss".

solarion 2009-12-11 15:34

Re: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reviews the n900
 
Ah, "summary" might be the best option. Much to learn; perhaps I should postdoc in Germany/Austria next. :)


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