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bocaJ 2009-12-09 19:46

[Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
So i read todays xkcd on my n900 today but realisd i didn't know how to read the alt text. Anyone know how to do this?

talmage 2009-12-09 19:53

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
I can see part of it in hover mode. It's tricky. Best look it up in the manual.

Corwin_bg 2009-12-09 20:08

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Is Greasemonkey ported to the N900? If so, there are scripts that can show you the XKCD title text.

ARJWright 2009-12-09 20:12

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
You mean that you need a means to read the *title* text. Reading the alt text for any image should only be done if the image doesn't display.

sjgadsby 2009-12-09 20:20

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 419525)
You mean that you need a means to read the *title* text. Reading the alt text for any image should only be done if the image doesn't display.

xkcd doesn't use alt text the intended way. Instead, alt text is used to provide an additional piece to the humor of the comic.

ARJWright 2009-12-09 20:22

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 419534)
xkcd doesn't use alt text the intended way. Instead, alt text is used to provide an additional piece to the humor of the comic.

That might be the case; though looking at the source code for today's xkcd, I doubt it ;)

dmj726 2009-12-09 20:29

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
The "title" text for xkcd is often referred to by the term "alt text" even if it's not called that in the source code.

dmj726 2009-12-09 20:30

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Perhaps an xkcd comic reader would be useful?

benny1967 2009-12-09 20:33

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 419534)
xkcd doesn't use alt text the intended way. Instead, alt text is used to provide an additional piece to the humor of the comic.

are you sure about this?

look at this one:
http://xkcd.com/673/

the alt-text reads:
Quote:

The Sun
the title-atribute contains:
Quote:

Obligatory bad guy: This operation is sheer foolishness, and it's not happening on my watch! Mainly because I can't figure out how to adjust the time.
which do you want to read?

sjgadsby 2009-12-09 20:35

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 419541)
...though looking at the source code for today's xkcd, I doubt it

Gotcha. And again I wish the Maemo browser had a "View source" option. wget is so inconvenient.

dmj726 2009-12-09 20:37

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_sun.png" title="Obligatory bad guy: This operation is sheer foolishness, and it's not happening on my watch! Mainly because I can't figure out how to adjust the time." alt="The Sun" /><br/>

Xkcd readers refer to the title attribute as the "alt text". The OP just wants to be able to read this.

benny1967 2009-12-09 20:58

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 419562)
And again I wish the Maemo browser had a "View source" option. wget is so inconvenient.

How dare you. The Finnish Gods decided long ago that Maemo users must not need "View source". - Who are you to claim the Gods are wrong?

dmj726 2009-12-09 21:07

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
I been working on a webcomic app for maemo. xkcd with alt text support would be a nice feature I'd think. Would people want that?

sjgadsby 2009-12-09 21:12

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 419617)
How dare you. The Finnish Gods decided long ago that Maemo users must not need "View source". - Who are you to claim the Gods are wrong?

I dunno, but I really don't need this Coke bottle.

ARJWright 2009-12-09 21:20

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dmj726 (Post 419630)
I been working on a webcomic app for maemo. xkcd with alt text support would be a nice feature I'd think. Would people want that?

If you are displaying content that's being output as HTML, yes. Being able to read/hear the ALT and TITLE tags should be enabled by default, disabled by choice (its an accessibilty thing, not really a style or comic thing).

benny1967 2009-12-09 21:29

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
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anyway... to answer the question: you can somehow show it, but its too long to be readable. The Gods will tell you the average user will not want to read such long texts.

dmj726 2009-12-09 21:33

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
@benny1967 That looks like a bug that I haven't seen since firefox 2.x (there was a plugin to fix that too)

The webcomic app would get your favorite webcomics and download them to the device and provide a gui to view and search them.

MrGrim 2009-12-09 21:46

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Fennec? [and additional letters to appease the more-that-10-letters-per-reply nazi]

ARJWright 2009-12-09 22:10

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 419675)
anyway... to answer the question: you can somehow show it, but its too long to be readable. The Gods will tell you the average user will not want to read such long texts.

Ew, that's a problem. Title tags should wrap, and viewable upon a long press. Making it dependent upon the cursor mode action is a lot unintuitive.

benny1967 2009-12-09 22:28

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 419739)
Ew, that's a problem. Title tags should wrap, and viewable upon a long press. Making it dependent upon the cursor mode action is a lot unintuitive.

This whole cursor mode thing isnt very intuitive (nor does it work without a stylus), but I cant think of anything better ;)

I agree on the rendering of @title-texts... either you render them or not. Displaying only the first few words is nonsense, especially if there's no way to see the rest.
I'm not sure if tap'n hold is the right thing for this... it brings up the context menu, which I wouldn't want to miss. - Could be an entry in the context menu, though...

bocaJ 2009-12-09 23:27

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dmj726 (Post 419630)
I been working on a webcomic app for maemo. xkcd with alt text support would be a nice feature I'd think. Would people want that?

Thanks, that would be awesome. One thing I would ask for though is either a button to reveal the alt text, or at least to make it hidden until the image loads, so that the joke isn't spoiled.

dmj726 2009-12-10 00:08

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
@bocaJ I had been thinking of having a toggle to show the alt text or not. Is anyone aware of alt text on any other webcomics?

Renesis 2009-12-10 06:13

Re: [Maemo 5] How do I view alt text in the Maemo browser?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dmj726 (Post 419934)
@bocaJ I had been thinking of having a toggle to show the alt text or not. Is anyone aware of alt text on any other webcomics?

Dr. McNinja and Dinosaur Comics for starters!


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