U guys see n64 on iphone 3gs?
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHg5gTxA_fc

Well zodttd has some magic, its preliminary at best, This is on a better gpu than our n900s but n900s are actually faster cuz iphones are underclocked to a fourth of their gpu specs. He supports pandora and pandora is alot like the n900. So here's hoping.

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i know this question is not to be asked here but why on earths name would it be portrait mode???? graphics of the iphone cant handle it otherwise??
and how about drnoksnes only a square in the middle of the n900s screen?
what is it with these emulators the controls already suck BIG TIME and then handicapping everything even more with this ********.
is it just me or doesnt anyone get this :S i mean there probably is a reason for it but its just.. stupid.

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portrait mode, easy answer......no controls cept touch screen, have to make room for controls, and its an early preview, where the controls aren't implemented yet.

drnoksnes, think about your pc, the higher the resolution, the more demanding the game. drnoksnes isn't running at the full resolution of the screen probably cuz it could slow it down. At least thats what I take when someone asked why vgb couldn't run games more fullscreen than vgb's fullscreen mode, oh and most emulators try to keep the same ratio of height vs. width, Would look stupid if stretched to a wide screen resolution.

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is not this illegal? seriously Nokia almost got in trouble for the SNES emulator and yet SNES is older than N64. N64 is not even over 15years old either. So this is purely illegal :D I hope Nitendo saw this Video :D and sue APPLE

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Difference is you don't see any Apple employees showing this off.

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I think the only question N900 users should be asking about the iphone is..

will it blend? :D :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLxq90xmYUs

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Typically the opposite is the case. Every PSP emulator gives the option to stretch. Most of the big PC emulators also give aspect atio options.

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The point is, the software (mupen64) could easily be ported over, all that needs to be done is for it to be complied for the (N900) - anyone fancy giving it a go?:)

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coding or using an emulator is NOT illegal.
i repeat:
coding or using an emulator is NOT illegal.

but it is illegal to get roms without having bought the game.
you can rip the roms off your n64 cartridges and play them on any emulator -> not illegal.
should I repeat once again?? :D

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Would you care to document that rather wide reaching statement? If intellectual property has been compromised then there is an issue in several jurasdictions around the world. The point comes down to the fact that this needs to be clarified in each & ever jurasdiction worldwide.

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True, but have you heard of a case in the US/UK of an emulator with legality issues. (the actual emulator software)

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There is a difference between The Law, and legislative acts of fiat, btw:

http://phreadom.blogspot.com/2008/05...s-fiction.html

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Bleem! ring any bells? ooh and Dr SS (ongoing). The point I was trying to make is that lack of successfull litigation doe not make something legall Please be more responsible in your posts.

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My point - conversely the lack of successful litigation means the software isnt illegal.

At any rate Im not sure what relevance this has to the point in hand.

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imagine you bought a car, lets say a porsche.
it is illegal to take the engine an put it into a fiat 500??
no it's not illegal, because you paid your porsche.
but it is illegal to take the porsche parts (roms) without paying, or building a car (emulator) with parts you've not paid..

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I think you will find I mentioned the world outside of the USA. Legal systems around the world are not running on a single model.

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It would depend on the articals of sale. You may not like it but there are places where this type or restriction is legal. I didn't say I thought it was sensible just that it happens.

Regardless of that this post doesn't work. If you write an emmulator there is a requirement to either reverse engineeroperating system or have privileged information. That is usually also copyrighted and often reverse engineering is strictly forbidden on the terms of use (it's software again)

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Reverse engineering is legal - reverse engineering a console is entirely legal. Copying the manufacuters IP is illegal, so should be avoided.

Dumping the contents of your own cartridges falls under "Fair Use" terms, at least in the US and UK.

Downloading images from the internet is obviously illegal, I'd even say it's illegal if you own the physical cartridge, but that might be a grey area.

Nintendo have long used scare tactics to restrict emulator development, they threatened to sue the developers of N64 emulator UltraHLE but never followed through with their (empty) threat. I can understand why Nokia have withdrawn the N900 Nintendo emulators, but don't think Nintendo have a leg to stand on.

Back on topic: Hasn't this iPhone/N64 emulator been shown to be a hoax? I can't see the videos as youtube is blocked at work but I've read the kid is playing a video of an N64 game (playing on a real N64) on his iPhone and just moving his hands to match the onscreen movement.

The Mupen64/Mupen64Plus N64 emulators only support x86 right now - no ARM support.

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Well, it wouldn't be allowed in the Extras* repo, legal or not, until Nokia verifies that it is "legal enough" to not draw another or additional points in the ongoing lawsuit from Nintendo. I suspect that function to be infinite.

Legality isn't even the issue these days so much as how much litigious risk is one willing to take, and the bigger the fish, the more appealing target it makes. Nokia should probably maintain a fairly low threshold so that they don't have to waste resources dealing with niches when they have their own bigger fish and fruits (Apple) to fry--which is what they did by taking Nintendo emus out of the official maemo repos.

So anyone is free to port the emu, but they would do so knowing it would have to live in a third-party repo.

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You might like to check your UK contract law on that position if explicit provision is given in terms of sale. Point was also that there is a world outside of the UK/US. Will leave the thread to continue though as the point was to ask for less wild acqusations.

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http://lwn.net/Articles/134642/

Covers it quite well, reverse engineering is generally considered legal in most jurisdictions but it's a messy area. Agree this is OT - more important is whether this iPhone emulator is a hoax or not! :)

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I haven't watched it either, but it's entirely possible that it's a hoax. However there are some rumours that some iphone guy is taking some stuff from the software discussed below:

There's a guy doing an ARM port for the Pandora. It's playable now. This is real, but it's absolutely no 'just recompile' as I think was said earlier in the thread. The emulator translates MIPS code to ARM code directly. http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php...8-mupen64plus/

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Well actually this 'zodttd' was the iphone guy I mentioned in the previous post. But this guy zodttd doesn't have anything for Pandora, the guy that does the real work is the one in the thread I linked to above.

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For one thing, n64iphone, the emulator in the video the OP mentioned, has been demonstrated working and 0.7.0 has been available for a couple of days. The hand-synced video of 3G4 was obviously fake, was supposed to be available to "beta testers" (AKA victims of spam/who knows what) in the spring, was "developed" by a 14-year old who has absolutely no emulation credibility, and has acted like a complete... well... 14 year old when he was told 3G4 was fake. The second thing is Mupen64Plus recently got an ARM dynamic recompiler from Ari64 of OpenPandora fame, and is running almost full speed on the Pandora - N64iphone is also based on this port. I've compiled and run it with almost no modifications on my iPAQ running Debian (which is much slower since it doesn't have OpenGL/ES). It should be a simple compile for the N900 as well.

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I wish nintendo would see the light. They have a huge catalog of games that there is a demand for and would be perfect for mobiles--especially with saved states enabling a player to continue right where they left off. They could open a rom store and charge a couple of bucks per title and would probably make a killing. A lot of work is already done for them with the open source emulators. But they want to keep their IP locked up and collecting dust instead.

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I have setup my scratchbox to try to compile the mupen64plus source from ari64, the issue being what I grabbed still depends on openGL proper and is seemingly missing the openGL ES plugin (which, after just googling right now, I tracked down from this thread, will test when I get back home), I am lazily moving forward with reaping the benefits of other's hard work (read: recompiling under our SDK and testing :) )

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awesome news! :D

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@bmouring - When I saw that 3-D Bounce demo on Youtube, the first thing I thought was - OMG, N64 will be emulated on the N900.

If you (or anyone else) could make this happen, I would be excited beyond words. More power to you, please keep us updated!

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drnoksnes supports full screen and fit to window now. Of course running FS tthe aspect ratio is wrong. Did you think about that?

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^^^
i downloaded drnoksnes yesterday from app manager and was playing super mario world and it was in the middle of the screen, i cant do it
full screen :S

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Well If you remember playing with your SNES back in the days, the console did not support wide screen output. Therefore all the games were 4:3, and as n900 has a wide screen aspect ratio, that is the full screen you should be having. No point on stretching the game wide as all the characters would look a bit bloated :)