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So we got a special graphics card, but only 1 tiny demo 3D game on it. And maybe about 10 or so hardly working working other games (which you can hardly call games)..

Shouldn't Nokia be making a few 3D games itself untill other people start making apps. Because right now I'm extremely bored when I'm trying to play games on the N900. I mean coulnd't they have hired 1 person just to make games for a while? Its not as if they don't have the hardware to make them work.

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1) the phone has been out a very short time and the store isnt even open yet
2) 1 person making games - hahahahahahaha......hahahahaha oh I'm sorry what were we talking about
3) Open Arena FTW.

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DOOM, Duke Nukem 3D, OpenArena / Quake III Arena

be patient. and anyhow, if you want games so bad, code some yourself :)

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And better, even if it's only 2D, ScummVM !
Just try a game like monkey island 1, 2 or 3, full throttle, day of the tentacle, beaneath a steel sky, discworld and many many others (all the point & click from lucas arts, from sierra etc...)

These games are far better than a lot of games I've seen this last decade

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@ oscillik: "if you want games so bad, code some yourself" ... Well, we also wanted an N900 so bad, but we couldn't build it by ourselves, could we?

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That proves how much you understand about programming. So you really shouldn't be talking about stuff you don't understand.

You probably think it requires an army of programmers to make a game. Well, they probably made bounce revolution in 2-3 days.

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I'm working on a How to win friends and influence people app for non-developers to use so they can make their wishes known without coming across as whiny teens with no grasp of reality.

I also take offense to you calling UQM, bejewelled (well, gweled) and Doom (three games i personally maintain for Maemo 5) "hardly working working other games (which you can hardly call games).." These have been played and enjoyed by millions on other platforms. 3D engine alone does not a good game make.

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you guys are mean, the guy just wanted to express his feelings!

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You probably think it requires only 2 or 3 days to make a game like bounce revolution. Well, they probably had to get an idea, get to know the API, make some graphics and music, do some testing and so on. Probably more than 2 or 3 days. Perhaps the final code could be only 2 or 3 days, but for the whole project takes a lot longer.

But yeah, I agree, it would be nice to get some more games.

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They are not even available without risking to brick your phone. and bejeweld was not even made when I posted. This proves how "unrealistic" your arguments are.

And you should read what I write before you post. I'm not asking the community to 3d games, but NOKIA. I know it would take weeks or months for non pro's to make a game. BUT for pro's with access and funding it just doesn't.

And another note, I'm not even asking for a brand new game, for god sake, even "asphalt racer" is something.

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You are right - I don't understand code at all. I am only a programmer for a fortune 50 company. I wrote 6 apps for Android Market. I have written countless others for myself and friends. But you are right - I know nothing about coding.

I am sure bounce revolution was something they knocked out in an hour or so.

With your vast knowledge of coding I shouldn't be surprised to see your first game in the repositories before the EOD tomorrow. What will it be about? Can you share that?

Oh and battlegeweled has been in the repos for weeks so it WAS out when you posted - you just didn't bother to find it.

As for us being mean? The stupid should not be rewarded - they should be bludgeoned round the head until they get some sense knocked into them, or learn the value of shutting the hell up.

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Yes and I'm Bill Gates. I made a game in 6 months and I didnt even study programming. So I'm thinking a pro should do it in 6 days max.

And I don't count games with risks to brick your phone games. I'm talking about http://maemo.org/downloads/

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Tiptronic, I'm sure there are many PRO programmers that come to this topic to confirm your 2-3 days to make a good game theory. We just have to wait, as I'm sure you are totally right. Everyone that says that 2-3 days for a game is not enough, can't possibly know anything about programming or games development.

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My suggestion, given what is obviously the most important thing to you. Sell your N900 and join the rest of the drones and get an iPhone and you can have shiny shiny games all day long without any actual though process being required. As an added bonus we will be rid of yet another whining idiot with no more idea about what it takes to write code than a fish has for riding a bicycle.

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2-3 days for a well-written and decent 3D game???.....

Wow. You sound like a Project Manager.

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I'm not saying 2-3 days to make a good game, I'm talking about the demo game. It easy to take words out of context and misunderstand.

And the thing is, the phone was anounced 2009, August. So the 'no time' excuse doesnt make sense.


Once again on topic, My point is NOKIA SHOULD MAKE SOME GAMES ITSELF. if you continue to misunderstand, its not my fault.

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Well the thing is that Nokia is not a game developer. And they are a large company. It's a shame, but they actually have a lot of other concerns than creating a nice 3d game for n900. There comes the community and Ovi Store to fill the gap. The problem is that Ovi Store is not yet open. "No time" is an acceptable excuse as you can see that there are other areas that should be taken care of and the n900 is not specifically a gaming platform. No resources is perhaps a better way to say it.

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Well finally a reasonable reply. My reason for this topic is because N900 should be an iphone killer. but surely at this speed, it will be more like a nokia killer, because this 'supersmartphone' market is growing extremely fast. And for sure, you cant show off a phone's power if all you can show is a little demo game (and a couple of 90's games).

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Bingo. You want space/time manipulation by Friday. Sure we can do that no problem .... hey you Dev - do this space time manifoldulationy thingy by Friday, and don't bill any time code for it, there is no money in the budget.

OP obviously missed his called - he should be a PM

And NO the N900 SHOULDN'T be an iPhone killer - not purely because it was never designed to be even remotely an iPhone killer (which, by the way, should be phrase that when used earns the user a punch directly to the genitals. Most overused/misused catch phrase of the last several years.).

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easy easy people, where is the love, ey lads?

But just to add my two cents, isn't it better for nokia to stick to what they are really good at? ( ie phones, telecom etc)

You wouldn't ask IBM to make a washing machine, just because they can hire a few guys with the know-how doesn't mean they should leave it up to pro teams ( think game companies and freelance game design studios etc).

but let's be honest, 2-3 days for a decent game (demo or not)? A basic version of Pong with some flashed up 2,5D graphics , maybe, but beyond that ... seriously mate?

BTW haven't heard about anyone that has bricked their phone while installing Quake or Duke Nukem. ( aren't they in the extras reps already?) Ohh and keep in mind that the phone has been out for barely a month and a half, give the community and the developers a chance ey ?

But let's keep the flaming to a minimum ey lads, different opinions and different flavours and all that?

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How obvious you work for some other brand, so for your contributions for this topic have been chopping it to off topic subjects. I have no idea what your other contributions have been in this forum. But this is not how forums work.

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the n900 was never supposed/advertised to be an "iphone killer" (i hate that expression).
the droid was advertised as such, but the n900 never...

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maybe some brand new shiny 3D games will make the N900 an ipod touch killer or a poor PSP competitor, but if the N900 wants to be the best smartphone ever, it first needs to have solid telephony applications, good email client, office viewer (or editor), and most of its bugs fixed.

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Alright I am out - I should know by now you cannot argue with the stupid. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

If you want to know my contributions you can do a search on my ID.

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the thing is, people are leaving nokia. the amount of nokia's i've been seeing around has dropped to almost a very few. everyone's been buying other brand, mostly iphone, so therefor it would be logical to use iphone killer, if you want to stop the massive move to iphone.

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true, but like the posted in the main post, my idea is to have someone specific also working on the gaming part of N900, after all, weren't they bragging about the gpu power of this phone?

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If it was designed to be an iphone killer it wouldn't have been a device for me. There's very little I can use an iphone for. If I had needed an iphone killer I would simply have bought a later-generation iphone (iphone->iphone3G->iphone3GS and so on). But that wouldn't serve my needs at all.

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where do you live? in the USA??
tipical engadget opinion.

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Its wrong to think the phone should be like iphone, but just a bit better if you use 'iphonekiller'. anything is better then the iphone, where you have to pay insane amounts for the stupidest programs. If N900 becomes a hype, there no way iphone can keep up. But once N900's start getting sold back, you can wave the N900 hype goodbye

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Massive move to iPhone? wtf? The iPhone has already had it's massive move.. people have already fled every other telecom company to flock to AT&T and grab the oh-so wonderful (and completely useless) iPhone!

In fact.. if anything.. I think the Android onslaught of phones (14 or so and counting) have done more to steal users away from the iPhone than any other device. The iPhone is not "taking" people away from devices anymore.. it is the device now... every other phone is taking away people from an iPhone.

Most of the reasons people switch is because they hate AT&T. If Apple decides to stop the exclusivity with AT&T and ship the iPhone to other carries - THEN there will be another massive move to the iPhone. As it is, those that want it have it, or were already going to get it regardless what new toy is out now.

The fact that the N900 has gotten so many people is quite surprising to me.. but I attribute that to the vast majority of it's userbase is outside the US.. where the iPhone, I don't think, is quite so popular. Also, most Linux geeks (which is probably the strongest appeal to the N900), would never have bought an iPhone - we simply can't live in those restraints. Granted, jailbreaking helps, but seriously: who should *have* to jailbreak their phone?

And I don't mean to be a dick.. but I see you've been Thanked 1 time in 1 post by your stats and have a total of 45 posts. Now, I understand you seem pretty new, so peoples contributions to the community may not as easy for you to recognize since everyone you meet is "new" to you - but you seriously just pissed all over someone that has been thanked "478 times in 202" posts. Being new means that even more you should be a tad more amiable to those that have been around longer than you have.

We don't always agree here on Maemo.. but those of us that have spent a lot of time and effort trying to help this community from even back before the great and wonderful N900 "phone" was released, tend to know who each other are - and are not likely to help people that we see disrespect or be outright nasty to any one of us.

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Belgium, and its NOT an opinion, its a fact. 5 years ago, everyone had a nokia, now I'm surprised if someone still got one. (Youth, the one who buy phones every year)

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UQM is in Extras; it's on that page.

I'm sorry, but you're coming to a brand new phone/computer platform with an open source paradigm and acting like it's a well-established gaming console platform, and it is just wrong-headed. Early adopters of any platform are testers, whether it's admitted to them or not. Here, we fully admit it, and clearly mark what is and is not tested.

And because "testing" is not some thing that "just happens" as users break a newly released app, like it is on Android and iPhone, it requires users of Maemo to opt-in to testing for anything to happen, and gives those who chose not to the option to do so. So, execute your options by either waiting for others to take care of the problem for you, or become a tester or developer and help to resolve it yourself.

How many games did apple make for the iPhone? I ask that without knowing, but a suspicion that they didn't make many quality 3D games. And that's a closed platform which has been around for years from a company much better known for software than Nokia...

Prboom (Doom) and Gweled will be in Extras-Testing as soon as the promoter script finishes; go ahead and test them and help resolve this problem you have pointed out.

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only thing I'm pointing out is NOKIA isnt doing nearly enough ITSELF to get the N900 hyped. and thats my final comment.

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i have some sympathy with the view expressed above.

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Maybe they just wait to have a decent firmware to show off

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you really are a reliant person aren't you?

does your mother still dress you and cook your meals?

the fact of the matter is - there are games out there if you look hard enough. i had my device for a few weeks before i found out by myself about the games i have installed.

and again - if you so desperately want games, either code them yourself, or contribute to the community in some other way by funding a developer to make a game for you.

code doesn't come quickly for free. most of the people providing applications for the N900 (and indeed any open source project) are people doing so in the little spare time they have outside of work, without pay, and with very little appreciation from people that are probably just like you

i am not a programmer, but i at least understand this much.

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If games took a week or less to bang out why does blizzard, who has billions of dollars take two extra years after the projected release date to put out every game they make?

I would personally drop my major and take a bunch of classes in software engineering and C++ to develop an entire library of action RPGs for the N900 if it were that easy.

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Nokia has enough problems coping with the demand for a unit that has had more interest than was expected as it is. The N900 is supposed to be for early adopters and developers with Mass Market planned for Maemo 6.

I would also love to see Nokia get behind the platform but there is no point in adding to logistics issues before the company is ready.

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The mrket figures simply don't support that statement though.

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It is quite clear that Maemo6 is where Nokia will put most effort, N900 is stop gap product. I am happy with N900 hoping new firmwares after March one also (hopefully having same QT as coming Maemo6 product).