Nokia needs to change something ... competition is too fast
 

with so many tablets and phones coming this year, nokia is going to lose a major slice of its market share ... sure, they make more money selling a low end phone because they are so much cheaper to produce and not that cheap to sell ... but, the others make money selling the phone and selling services with the phone ... apple store and android store put to shame nokia's efforts to launch ovi

what a shame ovi store is ... it was relaunched several times ... but still fails to deliver

n95/n82 were so good ... for their times ... sure, one of the ugliest phones on the market, with an interface that was years behinds iphone's ... but those phones were not for fun, they were/are great instruments ... 3 years from n95/n82 ... and? n97? n900?

except keyboard, screen and speed ... nothing! (few things are worse!!) everyone could and did add these to their phone ... what is nokia's edge?

n900 ... if the new firmware will just fix some bugs ... the phone won't have a chance!

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Do you own Nokia shares? Is that why you are concerned?

I just hope they don't change too much. Yes, the competition moves fast, but it moves away from my needs as a consumer with increasing speed.

Nokia doesn't quite provide what I want, either, but at least they're close and I don't see them drifting away. ;)

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maybe try posting your concerns on nokia forums b/c most ppl here could not care less about nokia devices of yesterday we just want real open linux hackable devices

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I agree with "jean2323" in terms of upcoming firmware for N900, if it'll provide nothing but the bug fixes, I'll consider selling the device and wait for the successor.

I do love having a debian in my pocket with all the pros of it, but what i lack the most is the real deal navigation software.

Spoke to the SYGIC representative yesterday and the only reason they had not released their navi app last year is because Nokia asked them to join the Maemo select and OVI store as they become available for the N900.

So read between the lines people, we might see the FW approx on the 18th of January 2010 :)

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Nokia have their roadmaps. Difficult to say how they plan to position maemo by outstanders. maemo != nokia. Currently it's "only" some devices.

But if they plan to position n900 and its f'uppers against android then I fully agree.

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Very true, I've had my N900 for just over a week now and really like it, but I also work selling phones, and believe me the N900 is a HARD sell, the typical convo goes as follows..

"So what can the N900 do??"

Well anything you want really, its based on Linux which makes the development of programs and functions easier with out the usual vetting process akin to the iPhone, as you've probably read around the net

"WOW sounds good, so what can I do... now"

Well right now, the basic stuff, phone calls, emails, texts, web browsing, but its the development of programs/apps thats coming that makes it really exciting

"Ok so whats the battery like"

Ok, but depends on how much you use it, the next firmware update is said to improve its power management so it'll only ge better

"Does it have maps"

Yes but its a bit slow with no voice guidance yet, again the next firmware update will make big improvements

"Video Calling???"

The camera is in place but not yet active, the next update should fix that

"Does the phone rotate like the iphone or those google phones?"

No not yet, again the next update will introduce full OS rotation so its easier to use the phone one handed

"Does it have an App Store"

Yes, there are various ways to installing applications to the N900, remember its more of a full computer, so as time goes on you'll be able to install some real quality applications

"Yeah but what do you get now??"

A few apps maintained by the linux community as the official Nokia Ovi store is not yet live, but there are general warnings installing these apps, so dont just go around installing loads of stuff randomly

'Why"

Its just the way Linux works as an operating system, the programs available are mostly still in development.

"Oh ok, so you want me to sign a 2 year contract on a device that out of the box obviously isn't really ready for release on the promise that these features are coming?? Yeah I don't think so, give me an iPhone"

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This has happened at least 3 times so far and once with the Nokia rep standing right beside me demoing his phone like there was no tomorrow.

I think this is going to be a big problem for Nokia, Yes the N900 is fantastic, and yes I prefer it to my 3GS but on a whole the general public are going to be put off the device until Nokia really sort out at least the basics, most people are fickle when it comes to mobile phones, the number of times I've sold utter crap phones (i.e LG Cookie/Chocolate) to people because it has a small feature increase (i.e. lke handwriting recognition or 0.1 difference is camera pixels, or mostly cause it £5 cheaper, over a decent phone (i.e. Nokia 5530 or Samsung Toco Lite) is horrendous and then they whine when the've got to bring their rubbish phones back for repair when they break or crash.

For Nokia to sell the N900 to the masses, which is what they will want, they need to move fast other wise it'll end up like the Sony Ericsson Satio, here in the UK all Satio's were recalled due to a massive software bug, since then sales are non-existant even though all the problems have been fixed, as soon as someone hears a device has a problem or is lacking a feature that'll stay with them, I even see to people who are surprised that the iPhone now supports MMS, they hear something once and thats it....

Well thats my rant, hopefully someone from Nokia might read this, but probably not :) Even so, Im really enjoying my N900

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All these speculations of Nokia being behind the competition are coming really a bit too early. Let's wait couple of months and we'll see what is the real deal here... ;)

These speculations have gone around since Nokia was blamed of being too slow on clamshell phones :)

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One thing good to remember is that there's big transition going on with Nokia. Symbian Foundation(most of all Symbian^4) and Maemo 6/Harmattan got real possibilities. Are they late? Yes, but if they manage to wow who cares. Symbian 9.5 that was announced in 2007 is very close to Symbian^3. It example already got ScreenPlay that will be important part of Symbian^3 and supported ARM Cortex-A8. Symbian Foundation is mostly the reason why we are still playing with 5th edition rather than 9.5, but thankfully Nokia does "opening" to Symbian now rather than later.

Nokias biggest threat, Samsung haven't still managed to do any impact in smartphones and i haven't heard anybody say that they are late ;)

I I do own Nokia shares btw :D

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I will be buying Nokia shares. If you lean on mostly US based bloggeratti, you would consider them dead. If Apple and Google cant kill them off now they are weak then they wont have a chance once symbian evolution is done and maemo 6 hits town. Just look at N900 - nothing like it out there IMHO.

Symbian 4 will shake up the market by "pushing smartphone price down globally " - nokia.

Seems even option traders agree with me. Going long on NOK.

See this article

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-products.html

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Maybe you aren't doing a good job of selling it. Of the top of my head...

* Seamlessly integrate your phone and email and PIM contacts across a wide range of services.
* Keep track of your conversations with people on a per-person basis, instead of one little screen with only SMS messages.
* Browse the web, including flash-sites like youtube, as if you were on your PC
* Take High Definition Video movies (no more schlepping a movie camera around)
* Take High Resolution Pictures (no more schlepping a camera around)
* Find out where you are (no more schlepping a gps device around, save a lot of money on car upgrade)
* Use your existing email service on Yahoo, Gmail.
* Manage your online presence on things like facebook.
* View microshaft office documents that sheeple send you
* View and Edit your local streetmaps (maep, osm2go)
* Download those big files from torrents (transmission)
* Play the computer games you enjoyed from your childhood (emulators)

'About 20 hours of continuous music playback! Like all high-performance phones, the battery life depends entirely on how heavily you use cpu, screen and radio.'

'Yes! Beautiful maps on a high resolution display so you can actually SEE your surrounding area!'

'No, but you can stream whatever you are looking at live over the web.'

'YES!' (show customer portrait mode)

'Unlike other phones, this one uses LINUX, which means most applications are FREE and OPEN SOURCE, meaning you can work directly with the developers to get the features you want!!!!111one'

Nice use of wrong answers to not sell a phone...

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Now that made me laugh hard ;) Great composition of *right* answers, thanks! The problem is, however, that people do not really want to know how things work. The price for this is ending up in a silver cage (it's not even golden) with a lower case 'i' in front.

Have a great day,
Corwin

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starman's boss should replace starman as soon as possible with ArnimS then he really will sell phones! :)

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Buying Nokia when US based funds undervalue it and selling it when US based funds overvalue it has been solid nice investment strategy. Many small time finnish investors have made decent amount of extra income just by exploiting the fact that american analysts don't seem understand global telecoms market at all.

Best thing is that US investors tend to be allways clueless about Nokia. Guaranteed to overhype Nokia during upswings and dumping it way too low when it's down.

Personally, I'm thinking of placing part of my non-impressive savings on Nokia again. The stock is so undervalued now. Even if Nokia was to lose whole smartphone market, everything else (Nokia Siemens Networks, intellectual property, dumbphones, third world marketshare, brand, etc etc) would be worth more than the current market cap.

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hahahaha that was just a quick rundown of what usually happens, I do spend lots of time demoing my phone personally but I was trying to make a simple point.

Most people don't care about what a phone/device is supposed to do, they care about what it does now, and that in my opinion will be Nokia's initial downfall, the N900 out of the box is simply a phone with a nice looking OS...

Just so I can blow my own horn here, my 'sales' are the best in my store.... LOL :)

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20 hours music playback???

your joking right, i got 4 hours of music on my n900 off a full charge on aeroplane mode the whole time...

the battery is poor...

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You totally have a problem with your device somewhere. I can play for over 5 hours of *movie* time...

But this is not the topic, is it? ;)

Anyway, I find Nokia to know what they are doing and what people want. The N900 is not for most people, I believe that is not it's market so don't try to sell it as a regular phone. For those they have other phones like the 5800...

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You'd be amazed how fast and how much Nokia changes internally...

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You are sadly mistaken if you think the general public want's to "work with the developers to get the features". I am in the process of working with developers to implement a core financial system linked with other enterprise systems and databases via EAI and ETL tools. I'm paid to do that. When I buy a phone, I either want it to work out of the box or I want to download a finished app to add the feature I want.

I don't care if apps are free, the phone and service plan will add up to $1,000+ over the course of a year so I'm perfectly willing to pay for decent apps. I am far more interested in a polished app that runs well than I am in a free app that needs work. But most of all I want it conveniently available. That is why Apple's app store has become so popular - it's easy.

Nokia - not Maemo.org - needs to populate a Nokia app store for the N900 if it is to be successful beyond the Linux programmer community. Emulating Palm's $1,000,000 to developers would be a start. Writing more apps themselves a la Google would also be good. They can't go on forever just selling potential.

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well, the fact is, maemo5 in n900 (unfortunately) is not for the masses.

masses should wait for maemo6.

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you have definitely some problem there (software/configuration or hardware).

n900 can play a lot longer.

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exactly, nokia are playing a dangerous game; the more i use my n900 the more i like it; and cant wait to see how it matures, but now were hearing rumors of maemo 6 on a N86 or something similar, we need nokias full attention with maemo 5 to push it to its full potential otherwise potential developers are just gonna keep waiting until nokia decides on what OS there gonna settle on; until then were gonna have this whole Apple/Android is better discussion.. :(

if theres any potential N900 buyers reading these forums as research; dont be put off maemo and the N900 are fantastic and the maemo community is the best there is...

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edit: lol NVM

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This is absolutely HILARIOUS. I won't respond to any single Nokia defending comment, but a general response.

Now, I'll preface this by saying I've been a fan of Maemo for a few years. I haven't been that worried because the tablets I've had I didn't need to depend on for day-to-day important activities. I pre-ordered the N900 like many of you. I was excited about the specs, videos and rumor mill. I was hoping it would be a nice replacement for the N810 I had (and I still own 3 tablets - 800, 810, 810 wimax). I still have to carry my N810 as the N900 wasn't quite there. I have been a fan of and loyal to Nokia as well as Maemo. What I've seen with the N900, how bugs/enhancement requests are handled, the inferences I can make on roadmap and the fact that we were given dated hardware on a 2010 flagship phone (even HTC/Google released 1GHz/512MB RAM already), I've been very disappointed in Nokia by what appears to be the company that I thought "got it" finally, still doesn't "get it."

1) First, I must say I have been humored by the over-rationalization trying to get this square phone to fit in a round hole. I see this EVERYWHERE. Does it do this or that questions are met with "yes it does" and give the odd workarounds and far stretches. I really like "does it rotate like iphone or [android]" with the response an emphatic "YES! (show customer portrait mode)". Hi Def videos? Wow - at 25fps, Hollywood only needs to carry these things and save a semi-full of equipment. Seamlessly integrate your phone and email and PIM contacts across blah blah? Huh? I never thought I'd say this, but from the N900 have risen serious fanboys - even delusional. Man. Yes, it'll even cook your dinner, shine your shoes and give you a happy ending when done with the lawn. But, will it marry me? Why, yes, it certainly will; here's the perl script, or there is an app in devels, but be careful with that because it sometimes screams "I hate you" and Maemo says it's too complex to fix that particular bug. I like the N900, Maemo and Nokia, but at least I haven't stepped into the nethers.

2) Nokia has been losing market share faster than anyone, even Nokia imagined (which they've admitted). In the smartphone category, which is now the fastest growing phone category, they have gone from mid-30% GLOBAL market share to under 15% in just 12-months (it's been all over the news so I'm surprised that no one knows either of these facts). Last I checked, Apple's iPhone has nearly reached 20% global smartphone market share and it still isn't rolled out in every country with China and Korea just opening up for them: two of the hottest spots for smartphones. Apple is AHEAD of Nokia in smartphone market share - period.

3) What does shareholder from a stock/bond/derivative perspective have anything to do with this? You buy a Nokia-anything, you are the customer. You are the number one stakeholder that all the debt and equity shareholders DEPEND on. Lose customers, you have a big problem all around. Economics and business 101. I held some Nokia ADRs a few years ago and I'm glad I dumped them. Bought because I loved their product and saw Nokia everywhere. Dumped because their market share was starting to slip. So I've been both and who cares.

4) You only care about having "hackable" Linux. Cool, cool, cool *eye roll* - Apple and Android are showing everyone that the other 99% of people out there don't care one bit about that. They care about a phone that does what they need, which is make calls, lasts, handles email, handles SMS, handles MMS (2.71% of all messages sent, but Apple/AT&T learned the hard way it is still a big deal), has a great UIX, plays movie/music, great PIM that syncs right, corp use, games - hmmm, I don't see Linux anything in there. In fact, most reviews whether CNET, engadget and others never do anything but mention the OS and do so in its relevance of the review.

3) Multi-tasking? Oh, that great, great word I see has been perpetually misused so much that now everyone calls the ability to run more than one app "multi-tasking" - good grief. Running multi-apps depend on and use multi-tasking and allows people to multi-task (kind of - but not really on a 3.5" screen and itsy keyboard), but itself is not multi-tasking (DOS had no native cooperative or preemptive multitasking, but you could certainly switch between apps). Yes, even the iphone uses multi-tasking - it wouldn't run w/out it. Running multiple apps is different. Know what? 20% of the world's smartphone users out there say they DON'T CARE. The 50ish% of smartphone users out there that no one talks about are BB users. What do they care about? Corporate email, phone calls and battery life. Just walk into an airport and you'll see the majority of people have iphones and BBs and I can't ever recall anyone saying "d*manit! why can't I multitask!!! F this thing!" No, they are happily checking email, texting, talking on the phone or play solitaire. So give us all a break with "but it multitasks." Yeah, so did the Dash running WinMo5 that I owned 4-years ago. It also had a terminal program and I could ssh into a linux box - wow.

BB and iPhone = about 70% of global smartphones. The other 30%? Winmo, Android, S60 and the other smattering.

4) It is well-known and accepted that "dumb" phones are pretty much history. This talk about N900 being a tablet that happens to be a phone - give me a break. That convergence started and did take place a few years ago. Aside from easily getting root or using debian Linux (don't get me wrong - a big plus), what exactly does it do that you can't do with Winmo, iphone or android? Seriously? The N900 will allow people to mess it up easier, but c'mon. Anyway, Nokia still has a slippery grip on dumb phones but many are laughing at Nokia as being far behind the curve. They need to get real and wake up or there will be no more Nokia and Maemo will be a nice memory rather than being on the majority of handsets.

Since RIM still is the king of what falls in market research's smartphone category and Apple gained 10% share in 1-year, I kinda think Nokia and some of you need to drop the functional fixedness and watch what the majority wants/needs.

Why should you care? Because, if you love Maemo and Nokia so much, you kinda want both around. It's well known they are bleeding from several orifices. Nokia doesn't do well with the N900 or it's successor (or generally in the smartphone market), by then it'll be too late (I'm talking 12-18 months). iPhone, Android and WinMo7 (don't laugh until you've seen it) will have eatin their breakfast, lunch, dinner, dessert and probably something else. The N900 doing well? No. $100 price drop in less than 2-months, all the WONTFIXs for basic, basic features like those mentioned above, all the wailing and gnashing of teeth out there, the reviews popping up that are past infatuation stage, the fact it has been rated lower than an N97 on many sites (the tops tend to be iPhone 3GS, DROID, N85, iPhone 3G, ERIS - yes, the good ol' N85 that really grabbed my loyalty - the N97 is usually at the bottom, but somehow, N900 has been pushing it up a notch), Nokia/Maemo who worry about the complexity of doing something so mark WONTFIX rather than what customers want (lost count how much I've seen them use "this is too complex" in a ticket then marked WONTFIX), the poor PIM and EAS client implementation that make it almost unusable for work (well, it is unusable if you need Exch03, which many still do- wth?), no MMS, abysmal battery life, no 802.11n (c'mon, many phones have had this and I had to add back a wifi router just for this thing!), weak/slow GPS - on and on.

Now, I know someone will be tempted to pull something out of context and just tear into my posting. Be my guest, but that means you've missed my meta point. It is the aggregate of everything written that will lead to failure. Nokia's (and Maemo's) publicly visible lack of holistic view of the market and customers will be it's ultimate downfall.

So, yes, this topic is simply restating what many, many have been saying and I absolutely agree: Nokia needs to change something.

You'd think people in this industry would learn from Motorola's record of nearly going belly up three times in 20-years. At least they've changed something - again.

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The trick, then, is to get the public to do it without realizing it. ;)

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Data please. I am skeptical of your numbers and some of your conclusions.

And just for the record, your post is just as ludicrous and exaggerated at the antiNokia extreme of reality as the idealistic defense at the other end.

Oh crap, guess I missed the metapoint. :rolleyes:

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Err.... how to say... no. Even something as awful as the N97 (2 million iirc?) has as much as 10% of the total combined units sold of the 3 iPhones (21.7 million).
Of course, some may not consider Symbian a "Smartphone OS". I'm not sure I would disagree.

So, why did you buy the three tablets? What did Nokia do in order to impress you and even get you to buy not one but three! units of the same product series? I would guess they'd prefer people like you instead of 99% idiots who don't care and will base their next phone decision on the greenness of the logo. You mention somewhere something about "2.5% of messages IS a big deal". Please read that aloud again.

Nearly every other smartphone manufacturer (other than Apple -- RIM _wants_ multitasking and in fact recent versions of Blackberry have an alt+tab like dialog) and smartphone user seems to disagree. And that's 80% of the smartphone user base! Ohnoes!

PalmOS has 102% of global smartphone share. I will personally stab to death anyone saying otherwise.

This worries me. Their marketing efforts are clearly not enough, if they even exist, and IMHO the Maemo Devices team seems understaffed and under resourced (note I don't know any internals and this just happens to be an impression which may be caused by the unusual and nice openness they have), specially if someone in Nokia really believes this is going to be the "flagship" phone in any near future, which I still doubt.

... well, come to think of it, getting out something better than Symbian isn't that hard. One has to wonder what the rest of the company works on, though.

Yes Nokia, please base your entire business strategy on copying what the other manufacturers do (where I have seen this before?), instead of trying to dictate what the majority needs like most companies do nowadays.

Well, tablets have been here for more time than the iPhone so far. I guess this indicates something too. Or not. Oh my god why didn't I take a course on economic analysis!

I hope you read the slides about Nokia's target market with this thing, a target market which values the Facebook widget more than Mail for Exchange.

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In regards to Starman's comments -

As you know, I work for CPW too, but unlike you, i dont want any of my stupid ***, reject, inbred customers to have an N900, because I swear to god the moment I see a chav with it come in and ask me why there arent loads of games, or why he cant send a MMS of his new bulldog to his 'crew', i'll stick someone real good.

Most of the customers who come in my store could barely spell 'N900', so i'll be damned if im going to let them de-special it for me by owning one too. I've sold a few, to guys who know their stuff, and the kickers seem to be the stella bluray rip of Up i have on there, and of course the browser.

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Huh from where are you pulling these smartphone market shares. Last time i checked in Q3 Nokia had 37-43% depending on source.

But who cares people are here because they found something that they like about Maemo. You sound like Nokia exec have punched you personally to face... or just trolling. :p

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I love this thread :D It's so entertaining :p

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lol if any of you are disappointed in nokia then stop buy/use their products ... go buy an iphone , nexus 1 or w/e you expected to have ... simple as that ... don't buy a nokia or any other brand and expect them to have a million apps for you to use ... it't not gonna happen overnight ... im not defending nokia or being a fanboy but if you don't like it then just simply stop buying their products and complain about it ... nothing is perfect so stop ur b*****ing ... i like the n900 because it fulfill my need ... i don't need a million apps ... most of them are useless anyways ... i enjoy web browsing (the best experience on mobile phone up to date) 32GB of internal memory for music and videos .. make phone calls and text thats all i need :D ... sure its buggy ... but there will be some fixes coming out in the next firmware ... im just patiently waiting :)

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hahahah nice.... ill consider your philosopy about chavs in the future, most of our customers are stupid foreigners who cant speak much english and just wanna send what they buy abroad.

it is true tho; the number of numpties with iPhones is growing at a alarming rate....

hows your battery holding up?? mine is a problems, its usually dead by mid-day with light use

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Nokia sells millions of devices, but there is nothing really excited in them now. People are complaining about quality too. And you have many segments of market left. At least two examples:

if you want phone for difficult environments, you have 3720. Only GSM, small 2megapixel camera, not smartphone. Step ahead - 5500 was Symbian based (but it the same time had horrible covers, which were worse in 5140 and earlier).

if you want phone with 2SIM cards device, you don't have phone.

Instead of making hundreds "new" models they should create few, but rock stable and with features known from old devices. Exchangeable covers, big batteries, low SAR, etc. etc.

For now they're putting funds into at least three platforms (S40, Symbian, Maemo) and the last one seems to be developed by very small team, which doesn't have too many funds. And it makes funny situation - probably the most expensive device (I don't say about Vertu, because it's different story) doesn't have things known even from cheap models since 5 or 6 years (infamous MMS for example). They lost and simply try to reinvent wheel once again.

ehhh, where are times of phones with shooting cover (like 7110 ;)) and nice netmonitor... where phone looked and worked like phone.

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strange but true-tried and used lots of phones but for me the nokia 6233 music edition is the best phone out their-stereo speakers that are loud enough to listen to-recorder to record calls for business-easy to use -good size-the fact that they are still selling on ebay for $200 after 4 years and in demand proves the point that a few good models need to be continue on

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"(DOS had no native cooperative or preemptive multitasking, but you could certainly switch between apps)"

The company I worked for, Quarterdeck, made a product called DESQview that did something close enough to multitasking for normal purposes. You could run your stock app, for example, and find the information updated while you were in another window. A lot of stock traders depended heavily on DESQview.

It's funny how many people use verbal flim-flammery to deny the importance of multitasking, like denying it's actually happening because it doesn't adhere to some technical definition that ignores the perceptions of real people.

By the way, you know why people don't want to work closely with developers? Because they can barely IMAGINE the prospect! Here, someone can say "this menu sucks" and someone can appear out of nowhere and make the menu not suck. People don't have that kind of experience with Microsoft.

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What is the point of this thread?
Are you guys shareholders? Do you buy devices only if they're super duper popular?

This thread has to go to Off Topic.
Filling a forum where heavy development takes place with trash about market strategies other brands and pointless discussions (look for "OrangeBox") has no sense.

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dated hardware? huh? N900 has pretty much the latest TI stuff there is, i think they have a little faster cortex A8 but as far as i know nobody is using them yet in a phone not to mention the cortex A9 (which is nothing more as fas as i know a dual or more core A8)
you seem to look at the mhz but the snapdragon is a totally different beast as the cortex A8 so they are not comparable by looking at there mhz numbers

als 80% Global share by rim and apple?? you must be kidding, global is usa market i guess? BB isnt really great over here and apple does it better but i know a lot more people with S60 and or Maemo then bb/apple

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This is General, where only super-duper heavy development threads such
as "new members say hello" and "I love my N900!" threads happen.

I see why you're concerned!

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BTW: When I posted a thread highlighting a New York Times article saying that Nokia's strategy in the US was failing in OFF TOPIC, no less a luminary than Texrat said he was sorry it hadn't been posted in GENERAL.

In other words, you can't win, especially if you aren't an authoritarian who likes to sling weight around.


Edit: Here's the quote from the Off Topic post. Unfortunately, it doesn't have much reasoning, but my description was ok:

" Texrat
10-18-09 , 11:31 AM
Posts: 8,503 | Thanked: 3,576 times | Joined on Jun 2006 @ North Texas, USA
I'm wondering why this is in Off Topic. Should be in General."
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this is about a super-duper phone that fails to do basic tasks!
this is about me and others, people that bought this phone, hoping that it will be "the phone" and ending up with another device in their pocket ... a secondary one ... a 500-600 euros, 200+ g gadget for web and movies ...

I prefer to use my 2 year old NOKIA phone! it's outrageous!

maemo has a great community, and this makes me hope that maemo in general and this phone in particular can make progress ... but i don't understand nokia ... and i use nokia phones since 8110, my first phone ...

Re: Nokia needs to change something ... competition is too fast
 

So let me get this right: this is about people who could afford to buy a phone without checking out its strengths and weaknesses.

I'm sorry, Jean, I really am. I regretted my last phone the day I received it, so I know how it feels. But I regretted it for things I couldn't find out in advance: none of the shops locally had one for me to handle, so I had to buy sight-unseen, and the build quality was awful. And I had to change providers to one who despite their claims, proved to have poorer coverage where I work.

But even then, the things I could check out - spec, capabilities, features - were all exactly as described. I got what I expected.

There are many people here (and I'm not saying you're one of them) who just want shiney shiney. They don't stop to check whether the newest gadget is what they want or need - it's new and expensive so it must be good. The trouble is that devices don't go in straight lines. The straight line of phone advancement in nokia is the n97. If that's what you wanted, try for a refund or a swap. N900 is the next step from n810, which wasn't a phone at all.

People here seem to have convinced themselves that the biggest number must be what they want. It's not the number on the casing which matters. I don't think n900 was ever advertised as a 'super duper phone' so much as a super duper device that happens also to be a phone. It turns out, it's a fairly basic phone.