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gfdsa 2010-01-11 09:07

1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Just updated. Any clue anyone on where to find fixed issues?

HangLoose 2010-01-11 09:13

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Before installing you can have the option to click in "Details"...

It will have the list of packages that will be updated.

jjx 2010-01-11 09:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HangLoose (Post 463631)
Before installing you can have the option to click in "Details"...

It will have the list of packages that will be updated.

That is not a ChangeLog. A ChangeLog says what the changes are, for example "changed application menu to show icons".

rlinfati 2010-01-11 10:04

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konttori_nokia: kernel contains one fix, which is allowing HAM to trigger ubifs to higher compression level for the SSU update.
konttori_nokia: browser contains one fix, which is browser UA string to say that it's pr1.0.1 device.
konttori_nokia: GTK contains one fix, which is dropping the icon cache support.
konttori_nokia: application manager contains 37 fixes, mostly related to SSU stability
konttori_nokia: And a bit related to the new look of the app grid.

jjx 2010-01-11 10:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rlinfati (Post 463724)
konttori_nokia: kernel contains one fix, which is allowing HAM to trigger ubifs to higher compression level for the SSU update.

That one's a bit worrying if it means PR1.1 does not fit into the / partition without help.

pycage 2010-01-11 10:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jjx (Post 463748)
That one's a bit worrying if it means PR1.1 does not fit into the / partition without help.

I think it's more for being able to install PR 1.1 on systems where users have installed unoptified stuff. Anyway, a "larger" rootfs is always good. Better compression yields more space.

starman 2010-01-11 10:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 463756)
I think it's more for being able to install PR 1.1 on systems where users have installed unoptified stuff. Anyway, a "larger" rootfs is always good. Better compression yields more space.

sorry to side track here, but what the hell does optified mean?? ive seen it before but thought it was a typo??

ossipena 2010-01-11 10:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by starman (Post 463791)
sorry to side track here, but what the hell does optified mean?? ive seen it before but thought it was a typo??

the most of the software is kept away from rootfs partition.

adancau 2010-01-11 10:43

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usually on linux systems applications are installed in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin and other places in the root partition. since the root partition on the n900 is pretty small, they decided to install the apps in /opt/ which is on a different partition. the app package have to take this into consideration and install themselves in /opt/, and are thus called optified. it's just a made up term i guess but it caught :)

lattenwald 2010-01-11 12:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by starman (Post 463791)
sorry to side track here, but what the hell does optified mean?? ive seen it before but thought it was a typo??

http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem

eikido 2010-01-11 12:24

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what is SSU

benny1967 2010-01-11 12:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by eikido (Post 463980)
what is SSU

http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU

noobmonkey 2010-01-11 12:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by starman (Post 463791)
sorry to side track here, but what the hell does optified mean?? ive seen it before but thought it was a typo??


I agree hehe, sounds like an americanism - if not at least a 'Bush'ism'
Should surely read Optimized?

lattenwald 2010-01-11 13:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by noobmonkey (Post 464038)
I agree hehe, sounds like an americanism - if not at least a 'Bush'ism'
Should surely read Optimized?

Should surely read answers to quoted question.

rapante 2010-01-11 13:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by noobmonkey (Post 464038)
I agree hehe, sounds like an americanism - if not at least a 'Bush'ism'
Should surely read Optimized?

No, it should not read "optimized", as it could clearly be mistaken for the original meaning of optimized which is:

Quote:

to make as effective, perfect, or useful as possible.
and does not necessarily intersect with the actual denotation of the word which for optified:

Quote:

being installed into the users /opt
so optimized will only create further confusion

F2thaK 2010-01-11 13:31

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one thing ive noticed when uve installed an app, it keeps where u were up to in the list...

and digital nature theme has been updated

salah99 2010-01-11 15:21

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why Nokia didn't fix the restart bug in this update? :(

F2thaK 2010-01-11 15:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by salah99 (Post 464319)
why Nokia didn't fix the restart bug in this update? :(

why didnt nokia wait another 2-3 months to release the phone?

mooninite 2010-01-11 15:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rlinfati (Post 463724)
konttori_nokia: GTK contains one fix, which is dropping the icon cache support.

I really hope this is fixed. After installing or updating 3 or 4 apps, the phone requires a reboot.

Rob1n 2010-01-11 15:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mooninite (Post 464335)
I really hope this is fixed. After installing or updating 3 or 4 apps, the phone requires a reboot.

I don't think that fix does what you think it does. It sounds to me as though it'll just fix the issue with installed application icons sometimes not appearing until after a reboot (which is purely a cosmetic issue).

mooninite 2010-01-11 15:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1n (Post 464343)
I don't think that fix does what you think it does. It sounds to me as though it'll just fix the issue with installed application icons sometimes not appearing until after a reboot (which is purely a cosmetic issue).

My update is still downloading (looks like the update server is hammered).

To test this just install a few apps then check your free space on your rootfs. If it keeps getting smaller with the more apps you install or update, it's not fixed. It it stays relatively the same it is fixed.

mikec 2010-01-11 15:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rlinfati (Post 463724)
konttori_nokia: kernel contains one fix, which is allowing HAM to trigger ubifs to higher compression level for the SSU update.
konttori_nokia: browser contains one fix, which is browser UA string to say that it's pr1.0.1 device.
konttori_nokia: GTK contains one fix, which is dropping the icon cache support.
konttori_nokia: application manager contains 37 fixes, mostly related to SSU stability
konttori_nokia: And a bit related to the new look of the app grid.

Heres the new Application Manager
My Download in the UK went sweet.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2735/...f652c2a049.jpg

Au{R}oN 2010-01-11 15:43

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Anyone noticed that OVI Catalogue was added in this update??

noobmonkey 2010-01-11 15:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rapante (Post 464081)
and does not necessarily intersect with the actual denotation of the word which for optified:

so optimized will only create further confusion

I do not mean this rudely or sarcilly, but i don't understand what you said.

I get that /opt is the optified area.... but optified isn't a word, at least not in any dictionary that i know. I'm assuming that only optimized apps should install in there.


I think the confusion is that they are being installed un-optimized in the /opt folder (Thus meaning the opt folder really is not an opt folder ,more a dump folder?!) - please correct me if i'm wrong!! - as it is highly likely!

noobmonkey 2010-01-11 15:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Au{R}oN (Post 464360)
Anyone noticed that OVI Catalogue was added in this update??

yup, sorry to burst your bubble, was noticed a whileago in this thread - presumably in preparation for the ovi store opening.

mikec 2010-01-11 15:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by noobmonkey (Post 464378)
I do not mean this rudely or sarcilly, but i don't understand what you said.

I get that /opt is the optified area.... but optified isn't a word, at least not in any dictionary that i know. I'm assuming that only optimized apps should install in there.


I think the confusion is that they are being installed un-optimized in the /opt folder (Thus meaning the opt folder really is not an opt folder ,more a dump folder?!) - please correct me if i'm wrong!! - as it is highly likely!

/opt is short for OPTIONAL I believe.

Rob1n 2010-01-11 15:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by noobmonkey (Post 464378)
I do not mean this rudely or sarcilly, but i don't understand what you said.

What he means is that "optimised" (or "optimized" for our transatlantic cousins) already has an established meaning. It would generally indicate that the application has been tweaked for optimum performance.

An "optified" application, on the other hand, is merely one that installs most data to the /opt directory. Admittedly, it's an entirely made-up word, but it's also describing a (pretty much) entirely new phenomenon, so a new word is appropriate.

m3kyd 2010-01-11 16:01

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Any visual improvements??

(video playback, smoothness while switching apps, desktop etc...,)

noobmonkey 2010-01-11 16:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1n (Post 464395)
What he means is that "optimised" (or "optimized" for our transatlantic cousins) already has an established meaning. It would generally indicate that the application has been tweaked for optimum performance.

An "optified" application, on the other hand, is merely one that installs most data to the /opt directory. Admittedly, it's an entirely made-up word, but it's also describing a (pretty much) entirely new phenomenon, so a new word is appropriate.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh! ok makes sense, don't agree with making up the word, but does make sense :)

Au{R}oN 2010-01-11 16:04

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They removed the red-pill options!

mozr 2010-01-11 16:04

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So no news of the mic issue being fixed?

As I am just about to send mine back.

I will post on here after the update, to confirm or deny.

Flandry 2010-01-11 16:06

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Optified is exactly the right word for the meaning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mooninite (Post 464345)
My update is still downloading (looks like the update server is hammered).

To test this just install a few apps then check your free space on your rootfs. If it keeps getting smaller with the more apps you install or update, it's not fixed. It it stays relatively the same it is fixed.

I agree that has nothing to do with "dropping support for icon cache." That's an issue with apt caching something on root, i would guess. It's not fixed in this little update. This update is mostly to make it possible to get the bigger upcoming update "over the air".

I am curious what it means by "dropping support for icon cache". Did they just do away with the icon cache entirely? Do i not need to update the cache in package postinst now, or is that rather a Finnish-ism that means "fixed support for icon cache."

hqh 2010-01-11 16:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 464412)
I am curious what it means by "dropping support for icon cache". Did they just do away with the icon cache entirely? Do i not need to update the cache in package postinst now

This seems to be the case, since gtk-update-icon-cache does nothing now (it's an empty script).

Death Scythe 2010-01-11 16:13

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I heard this fixes the ringtone bug; the ringtone now plays on the phone when a headset (wired/bluetooth) is connected.

It also fixes the bluetooth reconnection bug; reconnects to a bluetooth headset when it comes back in range.

I've yet to confirm these myself as I plan to update in a few hours when I have more time.

mikec 2010-01-11 16:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Death Scythe (Post 464436)
I heard this fixes the ringtone bug; the ringtone now plays on the phone when a headset (wired/bluetooth) is connected.

It also fixes the bluetooth reconnection bug; reconnects to a bluetooth headset when it comes back in range.

I've yet to confirm these myself as I plan to update in a few hours when I have more time.

Nope thats the Pr1.1 you are referring to not this update.

Death Scythe 2010-01-11 16:25

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Hmmm, I read somewhere that it fixes those in this update. I'll confirm this when I've updated my firmware.

rapante 2010-01-11 16:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by noobmonkey (Post 464407)
Ahhhhhhhhhhh! ok makes sense, don't agree with making up the word, but does make sense :)

I know that many people touching linux for the first time do tend to think that "opt" derives from "optimal" or "optimized" but the word root is actually "optional" - where optional data is stored, so everything not needed to actually run the base OS.

so a compromise for you might be to call it "optinalized" instead of "optified" but I guess as the term "optified" is already somehow established in these forums and is also shorter it will stay :)

I know that it isn't a "proper" word and I'd never claim it to be :) I don't have a problem with word creations as we all know Germans are quite good with making up weird artificially constructed words ;)

mooninite 2010-01-11 16:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hqh (Post 464425)
This seems to be the case, since gtk-update-icon-cache does nothing now (it's an empty script).

Ah, just finished the update. I see that, too. No more reboots, yay!

Flandry 2010-01-11 16:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hqh (Post 464425)
This seems to be the case, since gtk-update-icon-cache does nothing now (it's an empty script).


This is really off topic, but that's an interesting move by the developers. Presumably an icon cache is used to improve performance. Why do you suppose it was removed? Not just because it was slightly cosmetically broken, i hope. :D

Rob1n 2010-01-11 16:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 464510)
This is really off topic, but that's an interesting move by the developers. Presumably an icon cache is used to improve performance. Why do you suppose it was removed? Not just because it was slightly cosmetically broken, i hope. :D

I suspect that the cache is used to prevent seeking to numerous places on disk (irrelevant for flash-based N900) and to prevent the need to resize icons for different purposes (probably not necessary on the N900). This would make the cache rather a waste of time and space on the N900.

I could be wrong though <shugs>.


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