Engadget x Nokia (N900?)
 

Dunno what is wrong with them but they keep on bashing both Nokia and the N900 for apparent no reason.

"- but the second N900 push in just a single week features a list of fixes and changes that should put smiles on a few owners' faces, too (and a few devs' faces, for that matter, while they wait for this payment bug to get patched up). "
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/14/n...ek/1#c24682643

They always manage somehow to throw a jab at Nokia for something that happens and we don't see them actually complaining about how closed the Apple App store is when Apple launches a new MacBook.

Shouldn't we actually go there and start complaining as well? Is this what they want? How can the community actually play fair this game?

And also, I dunno if Nokia is still sponsoring those guys but if so STOP.

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Some of the editors really hate Nokia. Don't know why, I suspect it might be a nationalistic thing. Anyway, just have a listen at the podcast where they talk about Nokia's keynote at CES. They were practically foaming with hatred. It was a real eye opening moment for me.

It's very unfortunate but I don't think there's much that can be done about it...

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It’s not a nationalist thing. It’s more an economic war. If only nokia didn’t facilitate their live…

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I didn't realise that Nokia sponsered them! (Or had any kind of affliated link to them!)

I do visit engadget daily, but it's not just Nokia they tend to lend bias towards, basically, most companies that aren't Apple!

It's not necessarily really obvious either e.g. Apple have some bad press, engadget will always find a silver lining, Nokia (or others) have good press, engadget will always find the grey cloud, but in subtle ways like dragging the "payment bug" in to the positive announcement of the first major update.

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I've deleted the their RSS feed and no longer listen to their podcast. A promising website marred by bias and puerile attitude. They WONT last for much long if they continue in this vein.

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And plus... my account there "stopped working" by the time the n97 was launched when they were saying some nasty things... I guess too many posts. Dunno. I always treated them politely and dont curse or anything but they just could not handle me saying some stuff...

Since then I can't comment anymore. So if anyone would do me the favor of actually bashing them there it is much appreciated :P

They should learn a thing or two from this community about openness.

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lol well if you read the comments some engadget users bash on them all the time hahahha but yea i too think that engadget favor apple more.

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Engadget went down the drain a long time ago.
PR1.1 is the first phone firmware update in 10 years that gave me a changelog longer than 3 lines

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I don't really read their site, only links I've found on here leading there, but even I've noticed their pro-Apple bias...

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Engadget is nothing more than an extended Op-ed site now. Every single posting has a little tech and a heavy dollop of personal opinion in it. They have a long history of bashing the hell out of Nokia. Even postings where they are praising something the N900 can do that no other phone can do has a little tail end dig included.

I long ago gave up reading the site extensively and switched to other places for my tech news.

Perhaps we should start a "Where do you get tech news" from.

I personally like boygeniusreport.com for mobile news - though that too can be a little preachy.

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The Apple bias is overrated, it isn't that bad, just everyone keeps going on about it. Engadget seem never to respond to the accusations and now the feeling on the comments is very much that there is a bias.

The N900 has had a rough ride from them - but I think the blog is pitched at more of an 'apple' type gadgeteer than a 'linux' based one, and thus the N900 was never going to go down well. Let's be honest, it's a good device, but the iPhone is probably better for 9 out of 10 people. Hardware wise as well the iPhone is unmatched by anyone, and they like that kind of stuff.

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Are you crazy? 9 out of 10???
See the numbers of smartphone sales. Nokia is the number one.

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blind love :rolleyes:

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C'mon guys.. Engadget is an apple division... everyone knows it...
It prefers to dev an apple for the palm pre... a phone whose destiny is chapter 11, rather than a n900 app...

But it's ok... I am italian and I find engadget so much apple oriented and USA oriented that I just ignore it... We don't have cdma connection or old 3g network like At&t... we are even able to make decent phone calls over the iphone...

Peace

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I browse the site once or twice a day..and i know for certain there is a slight apple bias..but its not so bad..considering they have plenty of good topics of microsoft products...but yea i see what u mean with the nokia posts..

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I have been reading Engadget pretty much from the start and i do like that it's usually up to date with phone news and they do have some good writers. Couldn't read it when there was the whole N95 vs iphone thing going on that just killed the whole site for me for a year, but it's much better now.
They have bad habit to spin positive news to bad or on so many Nokia announcements they left the very positive thing away from it while on other site just that thing is on the title. Hopefully it will get better because i do like Engadget other than that.

Best thing would be if Maemo 6 and maybe Symbian^4 would make it so that the Apple bias is impossible ;)

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When/if they criticize Motorola or Palm, for example, they do it in a very different way, more as if they are disappointed but always rooting for them. They dismiss most foreign firms as clueless, and Nokia they just bash at every opportunity.

I think that on the Apple bias issue, recently they seem to have been trying to consciously reduce it, it's certainly a lot better than a lot of American media.

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they've still not given the n900 a review but have a whole nexus one review plastered on the top of the page.
i read engadget daily but i take their news as i would take a tabloids, i then search for the right info on the story i'm interested in.
most of their comments and views are from an american viewpoint where europe is somewhere in a movie. their stat's are usualy all usa based with regards to market dominance etc.
and as for gattenburg or watever his name is, the self quoting egomaniac, he can't see past his own ego let alone see past the US border.

what other good tech sites do you guys use? i think wired has some interesting news on everything.

edit:
N900 review on gadget republic
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/
http://gizmodo.com/

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I have the same feeling...

It is like they need to be waving an american flag every time they talk about an American company... They try really hard to resuscitate Motorola and Palm. At all costs...

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Engadget seems pretty gung-ho with respect to HTC. And to be fair, they've never been nice to companies they perceive as being out of touch. That said, their attitude towards the N900 has been rather pathetic (though I suspect they were waiting for this patch...)

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Engadget is an equal opportunity hater to anything not iPhone or Apple. They can not help themselves ;)

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Yeah, i completely ditched the site since CES realizing they can't even try to be objective while trying to be funny... Bad journalists.

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I don't know.... That tool Topolsky is pretty dang quick to suckle at the teet of WebOS and Android....

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They aren't journalists. Don't even make that connection.

MAYBE Ryan Block and Peter Rohas were Journalists, but they left Engadget after the AOL buyout to start gdgt.com


They left the kid that got their coffee for them, Josh Topolsky, to run Engadget for their AOL/Time Warner overlords.

Topolsky is an unashamed Apple and Android fanboy and runs the site as such. Co-editors such as those featured on the Engadget podcast are rewarded for giggling at his anti-Nokia rants while even handed editors like Chris Zeigler at Engadget Mobile are openly mocked...

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Engadaget is peanuts compared to Gizmodo - Gizmodo is a bloody apple wankathon.

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i like to read the comments on engadget about nokia :) some of them are epic funny lol

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I enjoy Engadget's up-to-date, graphical site of mobile news and such.
I don't mind much about the Nokia bashing they're doing, I'm perfectly capable of filtering out some of it.

I'm a 'podcastaholic' and tried listening to theirs but was left very dissappointed. They're quite childish and uninformative, mostly it gave me an impression of fashion journalism..

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I've blacklisted Engadget long ago for using opinion shaping techniques usually found in tabloid press. People like to be told what to think or buy. On the other hand you can't blame them when it comes to the booming mobile market, following and researching it in-depth is a safe way to develop ADD.

JKK and Chippy may not cover everything, but i like those guys, even though they use Engadget for JS-Benchmarking.

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Just curious, as I hardly read the site, how do they treat the Korean Samsung or Swedish/Japanese Sony-Ericsson?

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I think they treat all firms with a heavy dose of snark. It should be noted, however, that they are a US site and tend to focus on products that are big in the US so not all devices get ink.

The site is basically in the "look what we found" school of reporting. For testing and comparison reviews, I look elsewhere. For breaking gadget news, they tend to get it first. How many other sites covered the Nokia CES presentation minute by minute, slide by slide?

If you like them, fine. If you don't, fine.

But whining doesn't become the community.

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They've got zero love for either company. Although both are spared from what seems to be the religious hatred they have for anything from Espoo.

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Gizmodo isnt as Bad.. I love their personal opinions. and the givwe reason if they bash nokia..

Engadget's LOVE to capacitive touch screens also gets on my nerves a lot..

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More like obsession with capacitive.

Recently someone mentioned a CES shown Android powered Microwave oven.

The very first words out of Topolsky's mouth:

"Is it capacitive?"

As if it would be anything more then a completely useless and insane product so long as it had a capacitive screen.

And don't even ask how smug the editors sounded when they announced Nokia's capacitive enabled X6 handset.

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I don't get this craze with capacitive screens, yeh the multitouch is nice, but sometimes, if I couldn't use my stylus to click a small link on a page, it'd drive me crazy!

I'm looking forward to multi-touch resistive. And to keep this on topic, I remember seeing, quite some months ago, a video on engadget about such a tech that looked really impressive.

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I hate to come in and possibly counter this Engadget "hate" - but let's be honest. I think the biggest problem is that they are in the "business" of appealing to the more consumer variety type(s) moreso than anybody that's a member of here... for the most part.

I don't see as much of a Nokia hatred as you lot - I saw a serious (pre-Droid) Motorola hate to be honest. But the whole skew of them disliking Nokia based on the CES announcement - sorry... it sucked compared to just about everybody else. It was something that could have been wrapped up in a PowerPoint file presentation for the board of directors... not for gadget hungry CES goers that wanted more than numbers and facts that didn't equate to actual stuff they could ogle over.

Their perspective doesn't quite jive with this sites. But it's not hatred; they're catering to their (larger) readership. Look at the sales numbers of what they consider to be "sacred" and you'll see... that's what they appeal to in their writing.

But... I will say this. As much as the Nokia Maemo 5 fans are going on about what they like so much about the N900... it's not "all" that compared to what it could be. And that's not a comparison to anything else out there. I'm talking about how much room there is to grow and how that isn't being fully utilized yet. Let's hope that Maemo 5 is matured gracefully and fully before Maemo 6 comes in and Maemo 5 is kicked to the side like the other iterations of Maemo.

I know... I know. I say the unpopular things, but I'd rather offer the possibility that there is a different take on why they see things differently as here.

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The thing that was to much for me is the review of the 1983 Sony Cd-player, how can they mange to put in apple propaganda there.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/1...hed-hindsight/

Can't they leave Apple for just a minute.

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it must be a compatition in their office. we used to play a game like that on the helpdesk when i worked on it. you give someone a word and they have to find a way to say it in a sentence on their next phone call. the word molestorize isn't a nice one :/

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Its been said you can never go wrong appealing to the lowest common denominator. Engadget is most definitely following those words to a fault. Appealing to the drones is fine - just don't try and pass it off as tech news rather than opinion.

Fox news does that kind of thing all the time by reporting on opinions as if they were news. Someone writes a book saying something and its suddenly a headline as if it was fact as opposed to the content of a book.

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Engadget getting compared to Fox News... that's low... ouch.

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unpopular things ? you're too enamoured with your own opinion. Trying to be contrarian for the sake of being so. Irritating so Irritating. engadget.com is full of immature rubbish