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Anyone knows if it is possible to remove the PR1.1 update?

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I'm afraid that only a reflash of the device with the old image will remove the firmware update (losing your installed applications at the same time).

But why would you remove it?

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See also http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40753 - downgrading the firmware is really not an option.

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besides, If I got (remember) it right then you will also loose the SIM card. The SIM card firmware also got updated and that will not be compatable with the old maemo firmware.

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Maybe he's experiencing lots of problems with it.. Like the battery drain bug... etc? Try reflashing the software, but I would reflash it with the PR1.1 maybe it will solve the problem?? Because I have PR1.1 and I have only noticed some very very small bugs that doesn't even matter.. but other than that.. nothing major or annoying.

Battery on the other hand.. I feel that it's actually better now..

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The battery life is greatly reduced and the phone runs hot even switched off...

After some testing I realized it is the IM that is causing it... If I disconnect from all the IM networks, battery life is fine and phone runs cool but once I start the connectivity to skype or haze etc, the phone runs hot and battery life drops dramatically.

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Any idea where I can get the old firmware bin?

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You can't downgrade.

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I'm afraid to update my device.

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@GeneralAntilles, why can't I flash the device with old firmware? I have an unlocked phone so I don't think the issue with SIM chip would impact me...

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Doesn't matter. Unlocked or not, the CMT will refuse to work with the version "flashed" (pretty sure flasher-3.5 skipped over it when downgrading...) to it when downgrading which means no phone features (check dmesg). Nothing actually stops you from downgrading; the device boots up fine, but you can't use any of its phone features until you reflash 51-1.

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It's not the SIM, it's the GSM radio that won't work after a downgrade.

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Because there's a newer firmware on the GSM radio that doesn't work with 42-11.

Let's focus on why you want to downgrade in the first place and solve those issues rather than focusing on why downgrading isn't a viable solution. :)

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ok guys I NEED HELP.

i updated my nokia n900 firmware with the PR 1.1, and now it wont start up.

after updating my phone screen turned blank, i left it for a couple of minutes but nothing happened so i left it again for a couple more minutes but still blank screen.

i turned it off and now when im trying to turn it on it just shows the nokia logo, then the loading animation then, BLANK SCREEN.

i dont know what to do with this!! my hair is starting to fall off right now! lol

HELP ME i dont have any other phone to use today!

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I am with Zenali. I thought the device was great after the mini update and the opening of the OVI store. But this latest "big" update has doen nothing good and plenty bad. All my imported videos, that worked fine before, now refuse to play. The device has rebooted 6 times since the update. Features that have been added do nit work. Fast shortcuts? No one knows what that means, and quick dial voicemail does not work either.

I was genuinely excited for this release and it has offered nothing but made my N900 useless as far as playing video is concerned. The trouble is that I fear it will be 2-3 months before i have a true multimedia device again.

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/lib/firmware/

/var/lib/dpkg/info/cmt-firmware-rx51.list has a pretty interesting lines for PR1.0.1:

/boot/cmtImage

???

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I´m sorry to hear this. In mean time have you tried kmplayer from extras to play your old files?

Have you seen any bug report about this?

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There are a host of posts about this issue and bugs raised. KM player does not sort the problem, not should I expect to have to load extra applications just to play video that was working very well before.

Granted there are some improvements but overall for me this update is a step backwards. The fact that the next update is rumoured for march means I have a brick till then :(

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Mine doesn't do that, at least unless either it's having trouble connecting to the accounts or my wifi network is on the fritz.

Well, there is one other case in which it happens: When both the Twitter plugin and the Skype plugin are active, it sucks down the battery like there's no tomorrow (which there isn't, when they're both active..it dies after about 14 hours instead of closer to 30)

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I wonder what the contingency was incase PR1.1 contained a showstopper bug or random battery drains?

Tell the customer:
"your device worked yesterday, but its not going to work well for the next several weeks until we fix the software. Too bad, find another phone to use until its fixed"

??

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My guess is that your videos didn't play in the old firmware's media player until you installed decoders-support.

I think your problem is related to decoders-support's compatibility with the new firmware (PR1.1) and not a problem with the firmware itself.

Shaq

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That's why there's been people testing it for the last several weeks.

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Indeed.

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But its unrealistic to expect them to find all fatal issues. For example, the wifi battery drain bug still went out on a production phone so I'm assuming that was not caught in testing.

If any other company tried to roll out software that couldn't be rolled-back on an enterprise sysetm they would be sued to the ground. This is not professional behavior.

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Really? Symbian has never been downgradable. There's plenty of Microsoft updates/patches which are not removable as well.

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Symbian's a poor example because its still an issue with Nokia. I'm not familiar with Windows mobile firmwares.

For the current software project I'm working on, we get fined 1million dollars a day the system is not running. Roll-back is not a nice-to-have.

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so you don't know a thing about symbian, did I read your reply correctly?

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Many thanks for the "guessed" reply. The videos in question worked fine without any additional codec applied, but not now it appears :(

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So kmplayer doesnt play your videos?
I perfectly understand that there seems to be some kind of fck up with codecs and offical mediaplayer.(btw. did you install any extra codecs when you had old firmware)

- It´s quite probable that Nokias Developers are not watching maemo.org.

- This is really good place to gather and make bug report after getting confirmation that problem is popular. After making it ask all the other people with same issue to vote it and look for questions from developers. If there is any questions answer shortly and informatively and do not tell how disappointed you are. It´s quite probable that developer is also and what has happened is not his/hers "fault".
(This way is to only way to sort your problem. There is no other. Sorry)

You cant watch videos and your device is brick for you? Excuse me but WTF? Thats totally wrong device to watch just videos. You would be fool to spend that much money for just watch videos from small screen. There is s¤% load of other devices that are much much better for that.

Videos what i have encoded with avidemux to x.264 & aac work flawlessly, also videos that are already on n900 and also trailers that you could download from one topic here. Did you use in maemo wiki provided profile to encode your videos?

.edit
btw. I agree that not having option to roll back is really stupid.

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I'm saying Nokia released an n900 firmware which cannot be rolled back and Nokia releases symbian firmware which cannot be rolled back.

using Symbian as an excuse is a poor because it's still Nokia that has this policy.

I have no idea if Windows mobile firmware is the same...

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I have the exact same problem not just with videos though. I can't play videos or music anymore apparently. Media not supported, yet yesterday, it worked perfectly fine. Bloody Nokia, I wish I still had my iPhone now...

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Really? Symbian isn't downgradeable because it's Nokia.

All MS products are downgradeable both on PC and Mobile. There are plenty threads out there on how to downgrade HTC from WM6 to WM5. They are not supported by HTC customer support, that means not it's not available.

It is also my opinion as an IT professional that it is unprofessional to have no contingency plan, not to have one anyway. An admin has a backup. A good admin has 4 backups in physically separate locations. Because if it goes fine, you're paranoid. If it doesn't you're scr[..]d. Pick one.

I have NEVER rolled out an update with no contingency.

However, it's not like they don't have one. It's just that it's not a user-service part. Nokia can restore the device to 1.0 in service.

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I find it VERY hard to believe, that people have actually tested this firmware for a few weeks and found none of these bugs that only took us lot a day to find. We are the ones who test the firmware, not them! What a joke. I can see this being the very last Nokia phone that I ever buy, unless Nokia get their act together pronto!

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Could you send you audio to somewhere and put private message so that i can test if it doesn't work on me.

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Well, I don't have a lot of the bugs that other people are reporting. And I recall similar fuss about bugs when Apple released their last iPhone update, and when Google released their new phone, so don't go thinking that you'll get a perfect product elsewhere.

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I thought it was interesting to note that Butterfly for MSN was almost useless with the new firmware, always giving me network errors. I installed the "other" one (that comes up when you search for MSN). That one has worked a million times better, almost being too eager to connect (I have to set availability to "offline" if I want to use MSN from my desktop computer).

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It's not like the iPhone was meant to be easily downgradeable either, especially when the baseband was flashed.

By your logic, Apple should be sued to the ground, because the only way to downgrade your baseband and firmware was using third party hacks and that's not something the average consumer could be expected to do.

You might say that the iPhone isn't an Enterprise phone, except nowadays it is.

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I got 5 weeks old N900 with no probs other than 2 browser crashes that's couple crashes less than my old iphone 3G had in a month. It just makes me wonder what's the difference with my N900 and with these having these probs.

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i thought nokia had higher standards than apple. and yes, if apple released a firmware that caused the phone to randomly drain all battery or making the phone unuable they would be sued if there was no workaround or fix within a week.

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Isn't that a bit ... arbitrary? I give you ... a week. Then you pay!

Suing people is not a plague from God to be just inflicted on people. Suing is for when they CAN do something, SHOULD do something AND they don't, to make them do it or pay. It is not a frustration outlet.

And whether I finger them or not for having no downgrade plan, there's little that can be done now.