Why is N900 so slow?
 

Everywhere I hear people saying that the N900 is so fast. And in some places, yes it is. But the more I use this device I notice that the only fast thing is the surfing the web(once updating to 1.1). The music player is terrible slow, my sisters 5220 is some 100% faster then the n900. Sometimes it won't find all the song as today it only found the artists starting with A. When I restarted the musicplayer it didnt find any songs at all so after a few times I decided to listen to internet radio and was almost throwing away the device in anger.

But okey that is just a application some might say... But often it does not respond to my finger when I do ctrl + backspace and try to switch to another app. When I start to type at desktop to get a contact it takes like 5sec before something happends. When opening up preference and try to scroll down I come back to desktop(when Im to fast and I have seen the gui is up and running). When using xournal the text i write often comes 1sec after I have written it. And when I open up a contact and start to write my text I write takes really a lot of time to show up and the text in history too.

Now I have tried the first firmware, a flash on the first firmware and the new update(3day after the flash). So I guess this is not anything I can do anything about. But why does it have to be like this? Why can't nokia provide us a lag-free os, it does have the power for this for sure and to make a lag-free sms function with a 600mhz processor can't be that hard can it?

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Here here. This is beta software imo. It has massive potential but its just not ready.
(PS I still love my N900..)

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Sounds like something is eating your CPU or RAM up. Just as an example, for me, typing at the desktop screen instantly brings up matching contacts, whereas you report 5 seconds. Definitely less than a quarter of a second for me.

I would try and see what your CPU usage is as you are doing these things. If you have the cpumem applet installed, take a look at what it's doing, otherwise use conky or just the top command from inside xterm, perhaps.

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The email client is the point in this , mega slow (as in mins to get into my emails if its having a bad moment)

and no functionality :(

MB

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Its not just that, its everything - off the top if my head - the media player sometimes has no songs in it, photos from album artwork show up in the photo gallery, app manager is slow, the camera is quite poor (for a Nokia), the whole OS freezes at times, I think another 6months the N900 will be ultra good (but then we may have a maemo 6 phone!), its the Nokia way - N95, N97 anyone?

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Well, if you want to have a general moan, fine :) /ignore :)

I was responding to a specific couple of points by the OP. If it takes five seconds to bring up a contact by typing at the desktop, there is something unusual going on, because, as I say, it's instant on my device. Sounds like a runaway process is consuming resources.

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I haven't got an n900 yet, but am due to get one as an upgrade soon, and i fear i may be severely disappointed when I get it. I currently have a nokia n96 and had the n73 and used the n95 and they were exactly the same. they just need to spend more time, money and resources developing their software before releasing their phones. they use the keep early adoptors as 'free' testers, but i think its costing them more in the long run, as several of my friends swore off nokia after the n95 and havent been back. I however, cannot stay away :rolleyes:

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the point being this shouldn't be happening. if nokia spent more time on the FW and apps on the n900 this wouldnt happen. its a shame.

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Agreed! it would have taken such a small amount of effort to have basic simple features in there ( and im not expecting the phone features i might add)!

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He was talking about the device in general. But Im sure he will appreciate your advice.:) And yes I fancy a moan - Nokia needs it to get the message.

No, definitely you wont. Thankfully I avoided the N96. But the N900 is a fantastic device, it really is, it just could be so much better, it frustrates me!

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The Firmware is really snappy for me everything responds instantly.
Are you sure its not something you've installed that's causing it.

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Its snappy in general but at times slows down - thats the nature of the OS at the moment imo.

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I haven't noticed it being slow in general, and neither have the reviewers.

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I haven't had a single slowdown.
MediaPlayer is instantly open, with all songs, and covers.
Typing on homescreen does open instantly the contacts!
Messaging: the same.
Browsing was fast on 1.0, too.
But I've no problems with my device at all. No dead pixels, no mic problem, no camera problem, everything is fine.
I wish I can help you.
Please tell us, which programs you have installed.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

Whaaaaat?!!

Slow?....Something cleeeaarly wrong with your N900
Its SuperFast here...I swear!!!

Dont tell me you download many stuff from testing-devel repository!

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Don't have any issues like this at all myself. It's quite snappy everywhere.

How could you ever stop that from happening on an open device?!

Maemo is lacking in a few features for sure which Nokia should be called out for, but I can't possibly see how it could be fair to attack them for something that is inherit in an open device if you use it as such.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

He mentioned several issues:

1. The music player is terrible slow, my sisters 5220 is some 100% faster then the n900. Sometimes it won't find all the song as today it only found the artists starting with A. When I restarted the musicplayer it didnt find any songs at all so after a few times I decided to listen to internet radio and was almost throwing away the device in anger.

2. But often it does not respond to my finger when I do ctrl + backspace and try to switch to another app

3. When I start to type at desktop to get a contact it takes like 5sec before something happends

4. When opening up preference and try to scroll down I come back to desktop(when Im to fast and I have seen the gui is up and running)

5. When using xournal the text i write often comes 1sec after I have written it. And when I open up a contact and start to write my text I write takes really a lot of time to show up and the text in history too.

Now Im not sure if its the general OS or separate bugs. Lets hope a lot of the details/small bugs get fixed in the next update (I give it 6 months)

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Microb is fast and smooth (most of time but not bookmarks scrolling and rubberband effect at end)

Conversations scrolling, image gallery scrolling, image changes, album view (generally all media player views) are jerky.

Somewhere it is fast and somewhere its still bit slow and jerky.

If you search bugzilla entrys you can find these "bugs" & enchantments.

If you say that animation is smooth entirely across maemo UI you should buy new glasses or use some other device which is optimized and after then try N900 AND yes No programs running on background :)

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I think you have to tell us a bit more about the software you have installed... How much free rootfs space you have etc...?

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My N900 is FAST. Fast enough to impress everyone who's played withj it, even iPhone owners. It does everything far faster than the Brand X unit it replaced.

It does everything it was supposed to do. It's been rock-solid stable and trouble-free for 1/12 months of heavy use as a phone, tracking several email accounts, using company webportals and general surfing.

Obviously the OP has some kinda problem, be it an installed app acting up, defective hardware - whatever - he needs to do some troubleshooting, find the trouble and not put the blame on Maemo or the N900 in general.

And those moaning about this or that missing feature:
a. Shoulda done your homework.
b. It has all the basics - maybe not exactly what YOU want, but the basics all work well.
c. Either be patient and wait for missing apps or features to be added or...
d. Start coding what you want if you can or...
e. Shut up and sell your N900.

Written quickly and problem-free from a N900.

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I have none of the issues the OP listed, with either of the (2) 900s I have/had, especially on a regular basis. I have had general freezing every now and then (Firefox), but not to the point where I'd blame Nokia for putting out a shotty product. To say that its lagginess is a "Nokia specific oversight for the product as a whole, and a chronic issue" is going a little bit far. I've had "some" experiences of slowness in all (3) of my last smartphones, at one time or another, but its been more of an exception, rather than the norm.

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

agreed, as of 2 hours i will not longer be a n900 owner :( but I do get a trusty blackberry 9700 which is messege centric, I will miss the browser but there we go!

MB

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Of all the features that these devices (not just the 900) perform, and most of them well, and irregardless of the functionality they provide, it never ceases to amaze me that "jerky screen animation/scrolling" is such a serious issue for so many people.

Person 1: "Say, how is that n900?"

Person 2: "Oh wow, its great! I does everything from making me a cake, to doing my taxes, and does it well...but I really hope they fix the jerky scrolling when switching desktops."

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1. Tracker database corrupted? Filesystem corrupted?

2. I do not know if that happens to me after ctrl-backspace (shortcutd), but sometimes one layer of ui freezes. It doesn't take taps but it recognizes long tap. This is quite rare and random. Mostly happens on webpage when suddenly it doesnt take tap at all. If i zoom out and in and then tap it takes it. Really rare, but when happens it really pisses me off. I would write bug report but i have no idea how to reproduce it and its like 1/40 and it has nothing to do with cpu load.

3. Now thats bad. It should jump almost immediately. How many contacts you have?

4.Happens also me sometimes. Maybe 1/10. It suddenly jumps to desktop eventhought i have opened preferences.

5. I have not tested that application but sometimes it takes awhile before you can write to textbox on webpages, but for me reason has been Cpu load from background or page what i am viewing.

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Ive had the N900 since launch day in the UK, I love it but it is by no means perfect, (both from a bugs perfective and a basics perspective) I really dont know where you get your Rose tinted specs from.;) . Its a typical Nokia device, there are so many missing small details/issues. Some will be cleared up I know, however..in 6 months time. This is beta software imo - software that wont and hasnt 'beaten' the competition.
And yes its missing apps etc - I believe this will be fixed, and personally Im trying to help by giving suggestions/brainstorming. I am however concerned about the quality of the GUI on apps as the majority of stuff coming through is homebrew. Lets hope some developers become attracted to Maemo.

The N900 has potential but its not ready in any way. It needs the kind of polishing and customer ponint of view programming apple have. Nokia need to wake up.

But it is - its so important - the detail. These issues are the things the average person on the street notices. Functionality isnt 100% king. If you are going to take on competitors such details need to be addressed.

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Are you trying to say to me and (I havent bought this and i´m quite happy but I DO recognize issues what i think are serious and need fixing) users here who prefer fast and smooth transitions are customers whos need is not important and actually maybe a bit irrelevant when compared to what this monster really can do?

And yes. Actually i have described exactly with those words this device to other people. I have shown what it can do at best and what are the things i do not like and one is jerky/tearing issue almost everywhere. Sorry :| That's just me.

And there is already bugzilla entrys concerning these issues and developer threads and also user threads emerging at constant phase so thats just name of the game and I´m sorry if my needs sound to you stupid.

.edit
For example people just love these smooth little UIs:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...527#post485527

Re: Why is N900 so slow?
 

If you're talking about the All Songs list, then the Media Player only seems to search the things that have been populated in the list already. (It takes a couple of seconds for the N900 to put everything into the list, as you can see by the scrollbar changing sizes.)

If you have thousands of mp3s (like me) then if you go to the All Songs list and start typing to search immediately, you won't get all the results you're expecting. Trying again after waiting a couple of seconds fixes this.

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I would also love to know the answer to this. The media player - the less said about it the better. It can take up to a week for it to finally recognise all the media files you have added. And even then it takes ages to do anything. Starting a video is particularly painful (I can press play as many as 10 times before a video starts playing - not because it didn't recognise my press the 1st, 2nd, 3rd time, etc but because it is just taking 10 years to start the video). Then the video stutters for the first few seconds. Contrast that with my old 2nd gen ipod touch that was able to start videos immediately and play them smoothly from the start.

And it is not just the media player that is slow. It just seems to take too much time with everything in contrast to you know what which is a far older device.

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the only time i experinced a similar problem with my photo album was when i installed the new video codecsm some photos wouldnt show, or it would take too long for them to load up. since ive uninstalled them its faster than a bullet!! well not quite! ;)

i get the same problem with ctrl + backspace in the browser and it really pees you off why cant the browser have back and forward button?

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i do laugh and at fanboy ****wits like this,

basics - no it does not, it cant even be used for email , no search slow operation , no features (not even the basics). If you dont miss this features you really dont need email at all lol.

The basics do not all work well , i cant be arsed to go though all the issues, its a great "toy / device" but understand from a business communication perspective its not up to scratch.

Its a shame as i will miss the browser and computer based functionality. but its just not up to scratch imo.

MB

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No need to apologize...you're free to have any priorities that you wish. I'm just saying that amazes me that people consider it an "issue", despite the fact that whatever they are accessing is both accessible, and readily available.

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I'm using backspace for back and shift+backspace for forward. I don't see the use for any more buttons in a already tight space.

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But you have to open the keyboard to do that. The back button on screen takes far too long to load. If only there were an option to change that soft key to be just a back button.

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Flash is a main process that likes to hang around sometimes even after closing the browser. Depends on the app using Flash, but if you see browsersd sucking up cpu after closing everything, that may be the problem.

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I agree with some of what you say.

I hope Nokia will supply existing users with a replacement back to take care of the reflecting flash problem, as well as improve the firmware. Pictures without perfect light have too much "fuzziness" for want of a better word. Today I took a photo of a black football jersey and that had this fuzziness as well, in normal light in the daytime. It doesn't seem to handle black very well.

I've had freezes as well, and I don't understand why a web page I've kept open for 6 hours will start "not responding". It's just a long blog article with 100+ comments. There's no updating involved.

The album artwork will only show up if you have separate picture files in the directories. It shouldn't show up if it's embedded into the music file. This is not necessarily a bug, the phone is just showing every single picture in the phone. If you don't want to see them, make sure you choose "camera folder" or something along those lines.

Try resetting the tracker for your music. I have around 16gb worth of music on my memory card. I just reset the tracker overnight once and it's picked everything up. Having said that, I've never had the problem you've had. Only if I try to look at the media player straight after disconnecting from the computer, which is understandable as the phone is still finding the changes made.

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gmail web interface with a stylus works perfectly for me. how can it not be used for email? what a load of bs. why rely on the os software when you dont have to. most businesses have a web interface. just load up a microb page with your web client and dont close the bloody thing

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Moan moan like little girls is all some people here like to do. Go write some code of your own and stop wasting bandwidth. If I dont like a device, I just sell or get my money back. Dont bore everyone if you feel you bought rubbish, I dont care if ur sisters ferrari is faster. Stop being an irritant, go buy the latest from Apple or HTC or RIM, its ur choice. Grow up people.

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I don't know if I am using my email the wrong way, but if I could use email regularly to hourly, then I guess our definition of working email is different. You can't search? Wow, I guess my searching is not working either since my searches come up instantly.

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yea..i do wish the animations were a bit smoother. my old moto cliq with the outdated arm11 processor is much smoother with the open program animation (zoom in, out) and scrolling operations. its a tad bit dissapointing and i hope that they are able to make is much smoother.

and to the above poster...(Enyibinakata)..please..stop your useless banter. if we wanted an apple, rim, or htc..for the money we paid for this phone..we would have one.