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msa 2010-01-24 21:54

[MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
so when you longpress on a link, microb gives you a context menu that lets you open the selected link in a new window.
however, it opens the new window in the foreground. i'd love if there would be the option "open link in new background window"

is there any kind of plugin or something like that for microb that allows that?

rash.m2k 2010-01-24 22:18

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
that would be superb!!!!! i hate having to switch back to the main window after opening each link

daperl 2010-01-24 22:25

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Thanks for starting this thread. The browser is already excellent; this would make it superior. This is at the very top of my wish list, and I'm not sure I'm just talking about my n900 wish list.

Let's get this snowball rolling, people.

zehjotkah 2010-01-24 22:40

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
could this be set in about:config?
a quick search for background or window doesn't show anything....

MPW 2010-01-24 22:44

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
I vote for this!

I love this when surfing on notebook, too. I would love to have it on my n900.

Lacedaemon 2010-01-24 22:44

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
That would be great, was also looking forward to it.

UQs 2010-01-24 22:45

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
This would indeed be a very useful feature.

damion 2010-01-24 22:46

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
+1 I use this all the time, currently ctrl-bs clicking every extra spawned window. I searched for open in about:config and the 2nd or so link looked promissing but sadly no.

Apoc 2010-01-24 22:46

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Last I checked the microB browser was capable of handling normal Firefox plug-ins. So... Shouldn't this work?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/379

I can't test it right now since, my N900 is in the shop. :( Sure hope it does though, would be gorram useful. :)

nergal 2010-01-24 22:47

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
next in the row. +:)

msa 2010-01-24 23:03

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Apoc (Post 492605)
Last I checked the microB browser was capable of handling normal Firefox plug-ins. So... Shouldn't this work?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/379

I can't test it right now since, my N900 is in the shop. :( Sure hope it does though, would be gorram useful. :)

i just tried this, but sadly the installer sais that microb is not compatible with this add-on :(

its really a pity because its a standard feature in opera for ages.
there are so many things in firefox you need to get as an addon that are default in opera.

daperl 2010-01-24 23:22

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Oh yeah, and we also need ease-of-use for:

"Go to Top" and
"Go to Bottom"

I think there's already a thread about these two, but all these simple little browser fixes need to stick together.

msa 2010-01-24 23:42

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 492675)
Oh yeah, and we also need ease-of-use for:

"Go to Top" and
"Go to Bottom"

I think there's already a thread about these two, but all these simple little browser fixes need to stick together.

that would be really nice too!

another thing i noticed:
on this forum for example, scrolling through long threads is kinda painful, because scrolling doesnt get faster, but keeps the same speed.

in the n900 email-inbox on the other hand, scrolling gets faster the faster you scroll with your finger/stylus (like its accelerating)

it would be nice if microb would do that too (even if its just optional)

ndi 2010-01-24 23:52

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 492675)
Oh yeah, and we also need ease-of-use for:

"Go to Top" and
"Go to Bottom"

I think there's already a thread about these two, but all these simple little browser fixes need to stick together.

Space and shift+space make this a LOT less painful.

I can live with it. Tried?

Also, in portrait mode the page is nice and large. Just peep the keyboard open one row. Space and shift are both on that last row.

Shift+space is hard to hit with one hand, though.

Rocketman 2010-01-25 00:01

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Yeah, having links open in the foreground causes me to have to make lots of extra clicks while I browse and frankly isn't that useful as pages take a while to fetch and render anyways. I would love to see either this or some form of tabbed browsing.

I would also like to see:
-Easy adjustment of font sizes (you can set a minimum font size via about:config)
-Fit view to width
-drag-able scroll/progress bar

msa 2010-01-25 00:03

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ndi (Post 492722)
Space and shift+space make this a LOT less painful.

I can live with it. Tried?

Also, in portrait mode the page is nice and large. Just peep the keyboard open one row. Space and shift are both on that last row.

Shift+space is hard to hit with one hand, though.

its a workaround, but not really a solution, because its still very slow.
also, keeping space or shift+space pressed doesnt work.

daperl 2010-01-25 00:18

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
What he said. The space bar is not close to a substitute. One solution would be making the 5-second fullscreen popup window on the bottom-right extensible.

ndi 2010-01-25 22:51

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 492760)
What he said. The space bar is not close to a substitute. One solution would be making the 5-second fullscreen popup window on the bottom-right extensible.

What-he-said is a bit of a problem. The reason space is so slow is because the browser needs to render the next screen and slide it into view. It goes no faster (the CPU ceils).

If you space-then-drag the window you get the rectangular gray of death. Also, scrolling goes no faster for the same reason.

In order to scroll-to-top fast you need to keep the top window (and bottom?) cached at all times, most likely tripling the RAM usage.

Otherwise a top button would take seconds to take effect, just like a "top" link in a page (which the page should have anyway, courtesy) triggers the "rendering" mode.

I know it's faster than scrolling anyway, especially in long pages, but it needs rebuilding and most likely caching.

The only way of doing this at this time is either scroll (and stress the screen) or hold "up" arrow and not stress the screen (takes a while).

However, re-rendering is likely to take as much as pressing back and then forward again, methinks.

Drawbacks of having little RAM is that you can't render full pages in memory. A large page has Firefox allocating a few hundred megs (and releasing SOME of it :P ).

daperl 2010-01-26 03:49

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
I think you're confusing layout with rendering. The DOM's elements are all in memory, along with their layout coordinates. What tile(s) the browser needs to render is a fast binary search combined with simple math. Rendering and zooming tiles isn't free, but let's not get dramatic. Also, if there isn't anything animating, once rendered, each tiles pixels are less than a MB (800x480x2). Have you ever used a Nokia tablet or an iPhone OS device with only 128MB of RAM? They work just fine: The Nokias have fast scrolling scroll bars and the iPhone OS devices let you click on the status bar to jump to the top of the screen. This is no big deal and it's one simple function call. Trust me, I know, I've called it on all devices mentioned. I think the n900 can handle it.

bigbrovar 2010-01-26 04:23

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
I many of you really care about having this feature on the N900 as much as you say you do. Put your money where your mouth is and make an enhancement request. https://bugs.maemo.org/ That way this can be voted for and the devs would see its a popular request and maybe it would be included in future updates :)

ndi 2010-01-26 16:10

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 494899)
I think you're confusing layout with rendering. [...]
Trust me, I know, I've called it on all devices mentioned. I think the n900 can handle it.

I am not, though I may have not been clear. I meant that they either cache the image as-is (which may not work for -say- flash), or re-render the top window, which is about as fast the the window above or below it.

This, however, was meant to be a hack-into-it implementation, not a microb-update implementation. My "it's gonna be slow" was meant for quickly implementing a key that makes the browser jump.

If they implement in browser natively, the N900 can indeed handle it with almost-zero overhead.

I also said that re-rendering takes as long as forward and back. I was thinking of re-rendering the PAGE not the view, for some reason. Meh.:o

soeiro 2010-09-05 22:55

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Any news on background links for the browser (microB)?

smoothc 2010-09-05 23:00

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Do opera or firefox support this?

ndi 2010-09-06 01:46

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Fennec does. Control+click a link and it will say "new tab opened". Iceweasel does, but it's kind of slow and has no flash.

pcerf 2010-09-12 10:08

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
well if u wanna scroll to the top/bottom of a page you could always press shift+up/down (= shift + blue arrow + left/right)...

Jack6428 2010-09-12 18:22

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
Do these work with MicroB or Fennec on the N900?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10137/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/13990/

geckon 2011-09-29 10:27

Re: [MicroB] Open Link in Background
 
If you are affected by this feature missing, please consider voting for this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1695
I m not really sure when (if at all) we can expect this in our N900s, but one certainly does nothing wrong by showing his/her wishes.
Thanks.

Also if anyone know something about the progress of this enhancement please let us know.


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