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DaveP1 2010-01-26 04:09
Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
This just popped up on Pocketables:

Aigo has just launched the N500, an ARM-based 806MHz Marvell PXA310+ processor powering the Maemo OS. The N500 has a 4.3-inch WVGA resistive touch screen, 128MB DDR RAM, 256MB ROM, b/g WiFi, Bluetooth 2.0, 3G (EVDO) voice and data connectivity, GPS, VGA webcam, 3.2MP back facing camera, and a high capacity 2600mAh li-on battery. It is on sale in China now for 3999 RMB, which works out to around US$586.

http://www.pocketables.net/2010/01/a...maemo-mid.html

Stskeeps 2010-01-26 07:25
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
Same family of OS'es as on the other 'Maemo' running stuff.. It is based on Diablo but quite modified, I think.

GeneralAntilles 2010-01-26 11:29
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
As Nokia doesn't license Maemo or the closed-source software that makes up a large portion of the user-facing experience. No, it's not Maemo.

Sopwith 2010-01-26 17:11
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 495285)
As Nokia doesn't license Maemo or the closed-source software that makes up a large portion of the user-facing experience. No, it's not Maemo.
So, to get this straight, is Maemo5 equivalent to N900? Why do we bother making the distinction between software and hardware then?

Frankly, this policy reminds me of Apple's restrictions to put OS X on non-Apple hardware... in a bad way...

DaveP1 2010-01-26 19:31
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 495802)
So, to get this straight, is Maemo5 equivalent to N900? Why do we bother making the distinction between software and hardware then?

Frankly, this policy reminds me of Apple's restrictions to put OS X on non-Apple hardware... in a bad way...
It does tend to take the free and open out of free and open source software. :(

x61 2010-01-26 19:35
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
It is inferior to the N900 so why worry?

SD69 2010-01-26 21:23
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 495285)
the closed-source software that makes up a large portion of the user-facing experience.
Yes.

Unfortunately, many people talked about Maemo being open source and the software architecture diagram in Section 5.3.1 of the Diablo reference manual

http://maemo.org/maemo_release_docum...on/maemo4.1.x/

made it seem as though most of the components (except apps) above GTK+ are open source - it took me awhile to appreciate they are not.

GeneralAntilles 2010-01-26 21:37
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 495802)
So, to get this straight, is Maemo5 equivalent to N900? Why do we bother making the distinction between software and hardware then?
Because they're two different things and Maemo 5 is not equivalent to the N900 (in fact, it's been run on the Beagle Board), that doesn't mean other manufacturers get to ship Nokia's proprietary software and abuse their trademarks, however. :)

Software aside, Nokia doesn't license the brand, so other companies can't just start using their trademarks whenever they feel like it.

The whole reason Nokia ships differentiation software in Maemo is so that Chinese manufacturers can't just copy it all, ship it on inferior hardware and sell it as Maemo. If the whole thing were open source then there wouldn't be any appreciable difference between what this company is shipping and what Nokia's shipping software-wise.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 495802)
Frankly, this policy reminds me of Apple's restrictions to put OS X on non-Apple hardware... in a bad way...
Pfft, because Nokia has firmware locks you need to bypass and 90% of its platform is closed source. Please. :rolleyes:

Just because Nokia has a reasonable expectation of not doing another company's work for them doesn't turn them into an evil company.

GeneralAntilles 2010-01-26 21:38
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 496227)
made it seem as though most of the components (except apps) above GTK+ are open source - it took me awhile to appreciate they are not.
80/20 open/closed is the proportion Nokia is aiming for.

tissot 2010-01-26 21:48
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
Thanks for explaining that GeneralAntilles. I have been wondering about how this really goes.

mrebanza 2010-01-26 21:50
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 496243)
Because they're two different things and Maemo 5 is not equivalent to the N900 (in fact, it's been run on the Beagle Board), that doesn't mean other manufacturers get to ship Nokia's proprietary software and abuse their trademarks, however. :)

Software aside, Nokia doesn't license the brand, so other companies can't just start using their trademarks whenever they feel like it.

The whole reason Nokia ships differentiation software in Maemo is so that Chinese manufacturers can't just copy it all, ship it on inferior hardware and sell it as Maemo. If the whole thing were open source then there wouldn't be any appreciable difference between what this company is shipping and what Nokia's shipping software-wise.



Pfft, because Nokia has firmware locks you need to bypass and 90% of its platform is closed source. Please. :rolleyes:

Just because Nokia has a reasonable expectation of not doing another company's work for them doesn't turn them into an evil company.



Yea I have since some really bad reviews floating around out thier about the N900 . . . . Something tells me that people are getting burner on eBay with fake NokLA N9OO phones from china and not even knowing it ..... damn you Chinese!!! :mad:

Sopwith 2010-01-27 03:14
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
Thank you for the clarifications, GeneralAntilles. I understand the need for companies to protect their trademarks. I also would not be comfortable buying a knock-off. I would consider buying an alternative to N900 running the open parts of Maemo on a 4.3-4.8'' screen though...

I am curious if it will be possible to run N900 applications on Aigo or on Optima. If they sell well (because of their larger screens, better price, or whatever), then developers will have more reasons to write for Maemo, right?

GeneralAntilles 2010-01-27 05:07
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 496731)
I am curious if it will be possible to run N900 applications on Aigo or on Optima. If they sell well (because of their larger screens, better price, or whatever), then developers will have more reasons to write for Maemo, right?
It's based on a Maemo 4 codebase, so, no.

Sopwith 2010-01-28 04:32
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 496822)
It's based on a Maemo 4 codebase, so, no.
Thanks again for the info.

Well, it really isn't all that surprising... Nokia, just like Apple, is a hardware company. It is in their best interest to break compatibility and portability, so that people would buy their next gadget. The software (or the OS) is only used as a bait...

GeneralAntilles 2010-01-28 05:42
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 498841)
Well, it really isn't all that surprising... Nokia, just like Apple, is a hardware company. It is in their best interest to break compatibility and portability, so that people would buy their next gadget. The software (or the OS) is only used as a bait...
Yeah . . . no. This isn't why Maemo 5 is generally not compatible with Maemo 4. New technologies, new software. The Linux environment is changing quickly and Maemo always has to do a lot of catch-up with each major release. Incompatibilities tend to have more to do with GTK+, etc than any deliberate decisions by Nokia.

Aonsaithya 2011-07-19 12:38
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
Too bad it's not Maemo 5, but there is hope in China. Perhaps we will see a viable N900 replacement in the future, just with MeeGo.

Oh and behold, the Nokia N500:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2007/10/nok...-at-sema-2007/

avnow 2013-04-11 05:14
Re: Aigo N500 Tablet/Phone Running Maemo? For Real?
 
i want to know where to download ROM


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