Gizmo VoIP on N800, 770
 

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I tested it on the N800 already, and reviewed it a long time ago. Still works great! I'm ThoughtFix there - give me a ring sometime.

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My point exactly! How is it possible that something this great is not talked about more?

Roger

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After installing this, I have perpertual reboot screen.

It may have just been a coincidence that this was installed and the reboot issue began - as said, it is a very nice app.

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I was never able to get Gizmo to work. :( Not on my laptop, not on my 700. Maybe I'll give it another shot on the N800...

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I use Gizmo on Fedora Core 4, 5 and 6, Ubuntu 5.06, Windows 2000, XP and on the 770. It is a big install on the 770 so if you don't have the space, it will just die mysteriously. But after you get it in, it works really well. On the desktop, I had some issues with making sure it had a Bonjour agent (avahi is available in most cases) to play with but after that it worked like a charm.

My only two complaints:
1) There is an initial few second delay before you can hear anyone speak but I am told by the Gizmo devs that this is due to hardware speed limitations on the 770 slowing down the initial connection setup and there is not much that can be done about it. Hopefully the faster hw in the N800 has fixed that somewhat.

2) The UI deviates from the "tap to select and tap selected to activate" mode that most of the other apps use. This means that you have to double tap (something that is pretty hard to do on the 770) or tap and hold until a menu comes up. Not a big deal but still something I would like to see changed.

All in all, the sound quality is better than land-line but the stability of the connection is somewhere between land-line and mobile phone.

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Roger, as Daniel mentioned Gizmo on 770 has been reviewed by some users months ago.
One major difficulty on 770, which prevented popularity of such applications, was the location of microphone and lack of support for a wired or wireless headset (still I'm at loss with Nokia promoting chat and Internet calling without providing adequate hardware/driver support).
Nonetheless, I'm one of those, who favor Gizmo (or any other SIP based one) vs. Skype; on an open platform, shouldn't we go for open standards too?

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It does indeed work great. I leave for Costa Rica on Thursday, and I've used Gizmo on the N800 to make all my calls ahead. The calls sounded about on par with a cell phone, which is fine by me since that's all I use, even at work.

I am having one problem, for which I opened a ticket. DTMF isn't working. My PBX here at work isn't responding to my keypresses, nor is my bank's telephone banking system. Both work from a landline. (I haven't tried it from another gizmo install.) Anyone else seeing this?

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Hmmm, now that you mention it, I've seen my N800 reboot several times in the last couple days, for no apparent reason. Maybe I'll uninstall gizmo to see if this is causing the issue......

Is that what you're describing, or is it worse than that (perpetual makes it sound pretty horrible)??

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Huh. My N800 rebooted a few times too, but not while I had Gizmo running. It's just when I had Gmail in a browser window and another page with a Flash ad. OI assumed there was a memory leak.

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Yeah, it rebooted for me on gmail once too. I should have clarified that it wasn't always when gizmo was running, but I'm pretty sure it's only behaved this way after it was installed. A shot in the dark, I confess....

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My problem with Gizmo wasn't installation-- it installed just fine. I was never able to log into my account over the 770 or my laptop. Both produced the same error, just saying the account could not be accessed. Could not get an answer from anyone as to the cause.

2nd account still not available on N770 version
 

Hi,
Could someone here confirm that the 2nd account facility which exists for long on desktop versions, is available on N800 version too?
This would be useful but is missing on the N770 :mad:

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Not any longer : the armel.deb package you can download from the Gizmo website installs just fine on the 770, and the secondaty SIP account now works :-)

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Reflashed now, fresh start. I'll watch carefully for extra behaviour on newly installed apps.

For now, I can live without gizmo :D.

Perpetual rebooting is horrible. Very. Good to know it can be fixed easily. If I get it again, then it's probably not gizmo.

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There is also GTalk2Voip, (http://www.gtalk2voip.com) which uses google talk to connect to landlines and other sip services.

I have used it many times with varied success.

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Howdy Gang...

Its interesting... I just finished a 2 hour chat with my Brother in Denver using my 770 and Gizmo... had the 770 sitting on my desk and had a great conversation... was like he was in the same room with me.

Also... I have had 2 accounts on GizmoProject running on the 770 since I first installed the original 770 version... has always "just worked"!

That's all for now... "Over and Out"

Omega :rolleyes:

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This is the second time I have read someone mentioning this ... what was wrong with the location of the mic on the 770? I plop it down flat on the desk in front of me and use it like a speaker-phone and it works great. Or you could turn the volume *way* down and hold the 770 to your ear (and admittedly look like a dork) for more private converations and the mic will be in the right spot. Now that the N800 has the mic on the top, it seems a little more awkward to me. If you have it flat, you have to turn it upside-down. If you have it on the stand, the mic is pointing away from you.

Yes ... I couldn't agree with you more. I am a bit stunned that this was not a primary feature introduced with the N800. From what I understand, there are people working on it but it is not high priority.

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I consider VoIP + 770/N800 a convenient and cost effective option in places like airports (particularly overseas), rather than from my home or office, when I have access to an array of options and calling devices.
Looking like a dork is a gentle term for talking to the edge of your 770 in such a crowded place…

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I too have used lots of time Gizmo to make landline calls, without big problems.

Most of the people i call, tough, complains about that few seconds in which the call is delayied once just started :|

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BTW: Does anyone know about the differences between Gizmo for N800 and Gizmo for 770? The N800-version supports a 2nd SIP-account, the 770-version doesn't. But I could install the N800-version on a 770 without any problems. Why do they offer two versions for download if they seem to work independent of the hardware? Are there any known problems with the N800-version on a 770 that I simply didn't encounter yet? (I installed it only yesterday.)

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Maybe they just didn't take the time to test it, or don't want to support it, or...
It's probably more resource-hungry than the 770 version, and takes longer to launch on the 770 maybe. There are a few blank seconds when your correspondent takes the call until he actually hears you -- due, apparently, to the 770's CPU "catching up". Apart from that everything seems to work OK (especially the secondary SIP account, yay :-)

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The one thing i'm afraid of: Gizmo seems to check for available upgrades when I log in. It could be possible that a future version of the N800-client will suddenly stop working on the 770 or, even worse, could install something that ruins the rest of the device.

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Hopefully, if it ever finds one, it will ask for permission to install it ? :-)

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I'm sure it will; it will, however, most certainly not say "You're running the N800-Version on a 770, which is something we never supported. We now it worked until now, but the new version will set your batteries on fire if you install it on the 770. Are you really sure you want to proceed?" :)

The point is that even when I'm asked if I want to upgrade, I will not know if it's safe. It's simply strange to have the two versions without knowing why there are 2 versions.

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I don't think this delay - that is a real drawback for current usage - is due to hardware limitation. Why the delay during the connection establishment (which is a simple network exchange) should be longer than the RTP session that needs a lot of computation to convert voice into bits ?

Remembering having used Minisip when it was available (for OS2005) this delay didn't exist.
This delay (nearly 10 seconds) makes it unusable with a real callee who thinks it's a wrong call.
At the opposite the hangup is immediate.

I have an answer : the signalisation session (SIP) isn't established directly between the client (the tablet in our case) and my VoIP provider but goes through a SIP server at sipphone (198.65.166.131: northamerica.sipphone.com).
What I can observe is a REGISTER with my SIP operator through northamerica.
This "piggyback" REGISTER sometimes failed (the reason is "wrong password" whereas the credentials have not changed within).
I need to shut down Gizmo to retrieve a normal behaviour.
Fortunately the credentials are not published onto the SIP session (the authentication is challenge/response based) but I'd like to know WHY my SIP session isn't established DIRECTLY with my provider (remember that the Gizmo interface asks for the SIP server, so why not using it ?).
Bug, feature or advertising purpose ?

Did you really observe that delay shrinks with the n800 ?

db

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Well, obviously you just answer "No" until you've read here that someone else has done it and it works...
That was an easy one. What do I win ? :-)

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Well, the answer would be one of

1) There will be one version of Gizmo in the future for both devices. It is only for marketing purposes that they now offer a "N800"-version because everybody talks about N800. Don't worry.
2) They will continue to develop separate versions for each of the 2 devices. It is not safe, in the long run, to use the wrong version.

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...but for now the "wrong" version works, and has something important the "right" one doesn't...
Free as in beer, huh ? :-)

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What's the real difference between both platforms ?
As far as I know it's the same ABI (the main difference between OS2005 and OS2006) but everything that works on the 770 should work on the 800.
The opposite is not true as one could easily imagine that the lbiraries and the common API (gtk, Hildon, etc) have evolved.
More, what could, technically speaking, prevent us to install OS2007 onto a 770 ?
Apart from the disk space needed ...
db

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So, let me make sure I understand what Gourmet is saying. I have been trying to get Gizmo on my N800 to coonect *directly* to my Asterisk server on the same subnet. I've been watching the Asterisk logs, and see no SIP registration attempts form my Gizmo/N800 combination, nor do I see any progress toward outbound call completion when an outbound call is placed from Gizmo using the 'secondary' account. Am I reading the postings in this group correctly, when I conclude that the Gizmo client on the N800 does not use SIP to connect directly to the secondary account, but rather causes the Gizmo servers to make that connectionn on its behalf?

If this is the case, what real SIP clients are currently working on the N800?

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Unfortunately none other I believe, else we wouldn't be using Gizmo...

I know it's unbelievable after almost two years -- I keep seeing references to projects "being worked on", like Tapioca and some obscure command-line experimental stuff, but nothing actually available. But then there are a number of other unbelievable things about the state of vendor-supported maemo software : a linux platform that reboots at will, non-functional email and RSS clients, no calendar, no BT audio... Fortunately most third-party free software is better than that.

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has noone attempted to build linphone or port kphone to the n800? linphone works very well for me on the desktop, if anything it is overly featured in terms of configuration.

would be nice if those xten people could do a build!

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Some people have tried this on the Zaurus with some success:

http://www.qtechinc.com/speaq.htm

I've sent them feedback to encourage an IT version. Maybe if a few more do the same, they'll oblige ...

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I've had had gizmo running fine for a coupla weeks now on my N800, I use it for calling my girlfriend, on her landline in spain (I am in the UK).

No major problems, the only points I'd raise with it that the 'All Calls Free' seems an absolute pain to qualify for... I think you have to use their IM, and pimp their software to your friends everyday.

Not only that, but the person you want to call has to do the same, so in theory my calls to my g/f should be free (N800 to spanish landline) however because I'm deemed not 'Active' enough I have to pay for them, so would be nice if the free calls bit was a bit easier to achieve.

The only other thing that worried me was that I had to open some ports on my router at home for it to work, so am curious as to how well its going to work when I am say at an airport, where I dont have access to the router to port forward :)

What are other peoples experiences with using it on ad hoc wifi spots?

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I have had my N800 for only a few days, but I had no trouble connecting to the free wi-fi hotspot at my local library.

I have been able to use Gizmo to talk with another Gizmo user (he has a Mac). Question: How does one delete calls from the call list? It is obvious on a Windows machine, but I see no way on my N800.

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I think this may be my question also.
I have voip account with voip.co.uk and was wondering if I could somehow enter details of that as second account on Gizmo and thereofore be in position of taking/making my landline calls on N800 or have I got the wrong end of voip?

cheers

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got to admit I am impressed with gizmo "secondary" sip thingy pointing to me asterisk server, makes and receives calls just fine so far. both pstn as well as my local extensions. would prefer iax but seems that will take some compiling effort on my part, fine.

would like it if gizmo supported dtmf, but really can't complain as it's
(a) free.
(2) easy-peasy install.

even more surprising, my old sipphone number from yonks is still valid thru gizmo. huh.

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Currently, according to Gizmo's forums, the 770/800 client only supports out-of-band DTMF transmission—not in-band, which is what many voice menus require. Which is annoying as it means I can't use it to conduct TalkShoe broadcasts.

There might be a way around this, if one could get ahold of one of the little pocket touch tone dialers that used to be widely sold in gadget catalogs. Hold it up to the mic and let it generate the tones for you.

Only I wonder where on earth one could find such a thing anymore?

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I am unable to get Gizmo to pull in my IM contacts is it says it can do... even when manually adding them they don't show up to chat with. I was hoping to get gizmo to be an alternative for pidgin, but it seems not to work that way.

However it's main purpose, to call people works fine, and is cheap.