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TripleNickle 2005-11-16 14:42

Nokia 770 and poor connectivity????
 
http://www.mobilegazette.com/nokia-7...iew-051116.htm

Anyone here care to comment on their experience? I hope this is not the case!

Nickster 2005-11-16 15:03

I have trouble connecting to the wifi network sometimes - usually takes me two attempts.

henry 2005-11-16 15:08

My wifi router (Sitecom WL-114) is located in the living room on ground floor. I can connect from the second floor with the 770 without any problem.

mtoneman 2005-11-16 16:11

I never have any problems connecting to relatively distant AP's. Maybe the reviewed unit had a bad WIFI antenna connection (since he/she had trouble connecting to all networks).

Bill 2005-11-16 16:16

No problems here either, using it on Sitecom an Linksys AP's, might be your router settings...

Kevint 2005-11-16 16:43

Works all over the house with my Netgear DG834G and my neighbours unsecure Belkin ;)

Kevin

TripleNickle 2005-11-16 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevint
Works all over the house with my Netgear DG834G and my neighbours unsecure Belkin ;)

Kevin


LOL.. gotta "love thy neighbors!"... lol

frenchie 2005-11-17 00:52

I was worried about that issue. Hopefully it is just a bad review unit (oh all the faults in the world it had to be a bad review unit). Hopefully whatever the problem is it is just a simple one.

mrmurdstone 2005-11-17 01:02

This guy got a bad unit from Nokia according to this update on mobilegazette:

http://www.mobilegazette.com/forum/v...75db131f9942e0

MikeB 2005-11-17 05:20

I haven't had any problems connecting to my router at home or when connecting via a peer-to-peer network to my laptop at work... In fact, I was amazed that I could stay connected to my laptop after walking down the hall to the conference room.

I have noticed that it works better if I connect while close to the laptop and then go to the conference room. I tried waiting until I was in the conference room and it would not connect.

pycage 2005-11-17 10:44

I never had problems connecting to WLAN with the 770. It even finds LANs which my laptop cannot detect.

Strawberry 2005-11-20 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry
My wifi router (Sitecom WL-114) is located in the living room on ground floor. I can connect from the second floor with the 770 without any problem.

I've exactly the same problem, with a D-LINK ROUTER.

Also N9500 work perfectly in the same place and same moment, when instead N770 doesn't work at all.

How to say !.... :(

This is really a shame, as use of tablet it's totally OUT in some areas of the house.

Rgds

Samuel 2005-11-20 16:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strawberry
I've exactly the same problem, with a D-LINK ROUTER.

Which one ?

Strawberry 2005-11-21 21:48

Poor connection trough wifi. It's totally hard to listen/transmit on wifi, where a N9500 work, this tablet NOT WORK, or often has a small capacity to maintain a link on wifi.

Bye

RogerS 2005-11-21 22:18

I too have had zero problems with connecting and staying connected all over our three-story house (well, I haven't tried in the basement yet), with a Linksys WAP on the second-floor at one end of the house.

BTW, I bought this WAP for $27, so it's not like it's the top of the line.

And I too have noticed that the 770 picks up far more WiFinetworks than my IBM Thinkpad.

andymulhearn 2005-11-21 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerS
I too have had zero problems with connecting and staying connected all over our three-story house (well, I haven't tried in the basement yet), with a Linksys WAP on the second-floor at one end of the house.

BTW, I bought this WAP for $27, so it's not like it's the top of the line.

And I too have noticed that the 770 picks up far more WiFinetworks than my IBM Thinkpad.

And the same with my iBook. The 770 finds a Netgear and Airport close by which the iBook hasn't spotted.

MishaS 2005-11-21 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strawberry
Poor connection trough wifi. It's totally hard to listen/transmit on wifi, where a N9500 work, this tablet NOT WORK, or often has a small capacity to maintain a link on wifi.

You mentioned some d-link access point. Can you give its model number? :)

Smiley Dan 2005-11-22 13:05

No problems at home, occasionally have problems getting a connection at work but nothing that a few more tries doesn't fix.

Titus 2005-11-22 13:44

To get connected is sometimes a bit quirky, at least with my router (Buffalo). I first assumed it has something to do with range to AP, but now I believe it has nothing to do with it, it does the same whether the range. Sometimes it needs several retries to get connected. After initial struggle, it usually keeps connection well. I have had best odds (0-2 retry needs), if I enable wlan first using connection manager before opening browser. If I open browser first (wlan off), it needs half of dozen retries, before I have stable connection. This is pure empiric testing, don't have any ideas why.
Maybe this is the reason for Mobile Gazette's assumption: You first try it in 10 meters range:not working, second try 5 meters: not working, third 1 meter: working. Assumption:Range problem.

GLeoni 2005-12-07 00:05

Just got my 770 Saturday. Connects flawlessly to my network (D-Link). Works great except.....when going to other parts of town, my device sees other open/unlocked wi-fi networks, connects to these networks (per the connection manager), however, when trying to surf the web, states "network problem". I am unable to surf the web. This has happened to atleast 30-40 wi-fi networks. Any suggestions ?

Cheers,

Greg

centauria 2005-12-07 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLeoni
Just got my 770 Saturday. Connects flawlessly to my network (D-Link). Works great except.....when going to other parts of town, my device sees other open/unlocked wi-fi networks, connects to these networks (per the connection manager), however, when trying to surf the web, states "network problem". I am unable to surf the web. This has happened to atleast 30-40 wi-fi networks. Any suggestions

Are you sure those networks are not internal networks i.e. don't have access to the internet? Just a thought..

I haven't had any problems with the connection quality, just wish that WPA-PSK would work with my D-Link router.

Jerome 2005-12-08 16:19

I also have unstable wifi connection (reported to Nokia). I think that the problem is the opposite of what people think, however. My 770 has very, very high sensitivity. Much better than my powerbook, for example. So it picks up more networks, and presumably more interference.

At my home my 770 detects at least 4 networks and I have unstable connections. If you have stable connections, how many networks does your 770 see?

Another possibility is that I have a problem with WPA-PSK. It works (on my Netgear router), but maybe this is the reason why the connection is unstable.

Samuel 2005-12-08 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerome
I also have unstable wifi connection (reported to Nokia).

Which firmware version are you running ?

Jerome 2005-12-08 23:04

How do I know? In device, "About product" reports:
"Version: 2.2005.45-7"
I think this is the latest version, but I could be mistaken.

Enberg 2005-12-08 23:26

Hi!
I have a dlink DI-614 and had problems until I changed to enter key in hex in the control panel. Before the 770 would connect to router but when trying access tthe net I'd recive a network error. Now everything works.

lenfischer 2005-12-08 23:31

Connection difficulties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GLeoni
Just got my 770 Saturday. Connects flawlessly to my network (D-Link). Works great except.....when going to other parts of town, my device sees other open/unlocked wi-fi networks, connects to these networks (per the connection manager), however, when trying to surf the web, states "network problem". I am unable to surf the web. This has happened to atleast 30-40 wi-fi networks. Any suggestions ?

Cheers,

Greg

I experienced that same issue. Eventually, I realized that the 770 is very good at picking up "ad hoc" wireless networks that appear just to be laptop or desktop Wi-Fi cards that are broadcasting an SSID. While most folks don't do it, I guess it's possible to network two or more computers in a simple network using Wi-Fi cards alone. So, if you can't connect, and it says "ad hoc" network in connection manager, you're probably connecting to someone's Wi-Fi card instead of access point.

BTW, I have had no trouble connecting to access points at Panera Bread, Starbucks, America West's frequent flyer club at Sky Harbor Airport in Phoenix. Also no problem with my Apple 802.11g Airport at home. However, I was never able to connect to the Hyatt Regency wireless network in Phoenix. Worked fine with my Powerbook, but no luck on the 770. Would see the access point. I would try to connect and immediately get bounced. Any thoughts?

bradb 2005-12-09 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerome
How do I know? In device, "About product" reports:
"Version: 2.2005.45-7"
I think this is the latest version, but I could be mistaken.

Actually it's 2.2005.45-8 from http://www.maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770.php

That's the version I'm running but I'm seeing disconnects from my unsecure Apple Airport Extreme on a frequent basis (I've been ssh'ing into my 770). This despite setting the timeout on the WLAN tonnection to "unlimited".

myet01 2005-12-09 21:46

I also have 2.2005.45-7. What is the difference between 2.2005.45-7 and 2.2005.45-8?

Samuel 2005-12-09 22:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradb
That's the version I'm running but I'm seeing disconnects from my unsecure Apple Airport Extreme on a frequent basis (I've been ssh'ing into my 770)

From the 770 shell, could you tell us what dmesg says right after being disconnected ? would be quite helpful.

bradb 2005-12-10 02:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samuel
From the 770 shell, could you tell us what dmesg says right after being disconnected ? would be quite helpful.

Doh! ok, just to clarify: my network problem seems to only occur when I'm using ssh from my TabletPC. After the connection drops I can go back to the 770 and re-connect the WLAN connection.

The ssh session seems to still be alive if I do it fast enough.

Of course, as I write this I spent the past 15 minutes connected and the problem didn't surface <sigh> Oh well, I'll check as soon as it drops again.

(hmm... I was using 'hcitool' too, maybe that's it?)

drazvan 2005-12-10 03:29

I am seeing the same issues when connecting to my Linksys WRT54GS router. Connection gets dropped fairly often (true, it happens more often when I'm connected to the 770 using SSH). The Linksys is on channel 7 and I have two other access points in the house, one on channel 1 (an Airport Express from Apple) and another one on channel 11 (an ASUS WL-500gx). The connection to the Apple Airport Express seems to be solid most of the time, no dropouts or anything. But when connecting to the Linksys it disconnects very very often, sometimes it takes 3-4 retries to connect. I have tried both WEP and WPA-PSK, didn't seem to make a difference.

I'm pretty sure it's not a range issue, the 770 is literally within centimeters from the wireless router (all 3 routers sit under my desk and the 770 is on the desk).

Also, I'm pretty sure the Linksys is not faulty, I have a Pocket PC (an iPaq 4150) connecting to it even from outside the house with no problems (never dropped a connection) and also a wireless SIP phone (Zyxel P2000W) that connects without a hitch and never disconnects.

Any ideas?

Razvan

Maerra 2005-12-10 07:52

I have WRT54G too and had same symptoms too but no more. Done following:
- found that 770's WLAN has no droppings if 770 is nearer than 2 meters from WRT54G. (Unfortunately I don't remember all the Mode settings I tried.)
- updated WRT54G's firmware but no improvements
- updated 770's Nokia software: WLAN frequent droppings disappeared
- but there is still limitation: droppings appear if I use "G-only" setting to WRT54G Network Mode and disappear if I use "Mixed" setting. This means that 770 uses B-mode instead of G-mode which thus seems to be too fast for 770. But no worry, B-mode is 11 Mbps (G: 54 Mbps) and good broadband is e.g. 1 Mbps, so the bottle neck of bitrate from Internet is the broadband.

Jerome 2005-12-10 09:15

Yes, I can. This is what the last disconnect added:



[63016.730163] tlv320aic23 powering down
[63018.387603] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63018.403930] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63020.235229] We haven't received an SPI packet for 1 second...
[63020.251129] Couldn't get the READY bit
[63021.251556] We haven't received an SPI packet for 1 second...
[63021.267456] Couldn't get the READY bit
[63021.477172] BSS timeout
[63021.477569] DEAUTHENTICATE trap
[63021.497497] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63021.513519] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63021.533386] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63021.549407] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63021.569244] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63021.585296] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63021.605133] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63021.621154] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63021.641021] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63021.657012] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63021.676849] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63021.692932] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63021.712768] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63021.728820] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63021.748657] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63021.764678] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63022.266723] We haven't received an SPI packet for 1 second...
[63022.282623] Couldn't get the READY bit
[63022.302490] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63022.318481] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63022.786437] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63022.802703] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63022.822601] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63022.838623] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63022.858428] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63022.874511] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63023.283050] We haven't received an SPI packet for 1 second...
[63023.298950] Couldn't get the READY bit
[63023.319091] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63023.335083] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63023.354919] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63023.370941] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63023.390747] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63023.406768] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63023.912902] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63023.928985] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63024.298461] We haven't received an SPI packet for 1 second...
[63024.314361] Couldn't get the READY bit
[63024.427581] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63024.443847] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63024.463684] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63024.479736] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63024.499542] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63024.515625] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63024.942810] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63024.958831] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63024.978698] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63024.994720] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63025.014526] We haven't got a READY interrupt from WAKEUP
[63025.030548] We haven't got a READY interrupt from DMA READY
[63025.314056] SPI timer timeout, getting out of here
[63025.315948] Shut down SoftMAC
[63025.759216] SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted (Set oid 0x12000001)
[63025.759338] SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted (Set oid 0x12000002)
[63025.759429] SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted (Set oid 0x150007e0)
[63026.194152] tlv320aic23 powering up
[63026.203918] tlv320aic23_init_power() done
/ $

Jerome 2005-12-10 09:40

OK, I am back on the powerbook, I use the 770 to post the messages above. Now, the 770 disconnects almost after every web page. This is unusable. It does not disconnect if internet radio is active, but I understand that the messages above indicate a problem with power saving, and this may explain that...

I tried rebooting, no effect

I tried rebooting without my mmc card, no effect.

Samuel 2005-12-10 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by drazvan
Any ideas?

Please let us know which firmware you are using.

Jerome 2005-12-10 16:50

I flashed the latest firmware. (-8)
It does not markedly improve things. I disconnect and still see similar messages with dmesg.


Note that flashing the firmware erases installed applications and that those are not backed up on the MMC. So I had to re-install terminal. Although, maybe this is only a problem with the flashing utility for apple.

BTW, thanks to Andrew Flegg for the Cocoa flashing utility (if he evers reads this message).

Jerome 2005-12-10 17:19

Apparently, this is an old bug, look here:
https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=192

It doesn't make me any happier, though.

I would like to add that I noticed this problem at home (WPA-PSK, hidden wlan name, g mode only) and in the internet cafe next door (no encryption, broadcast wlan name, b mode).

Samuel 2005-12-10 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerome
Apparently, this is an old bug, look here:
https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=192

No, this is _not_ the same bug. Your problem is different and looks more like:
https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=329

Samuel 2005-12-10 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradb
(hmm... I was using 'hcitool' too, maybe that's it?)

like "hcitool scan" for example ?

Jerome 2005-12-10 19:38

OK. So it is not the same problem. Thank you to re-close bug number 192. Now: what do I do?


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