After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.

I was a really happy user of the Nokia 6600 and the excellent N95, among others. A few month ago I bought a N97, which was a really bad experience. Poorly GPS antenna, freezed screens, reboots, low memory issues, etc, etc, etc. Decent firmware took eons.
Now I have a N900. Other disappointment.

I found that the N900 is not a PC nor a Cellphone.
Why??
Beyond the camera, FlashPlayer 9.4, shell access, keyword (with some of the same problems that the N97 had), screen which is fine, the cell phone function is super poorly implemented. Come on, where is the experience from thousands of great telephones released before?? Are we going to start from scratch? No speed dial, no USSD, no favorites in contacts, no easy way to find contacts (I have 400) without opening the keyboard, screen has lag when ringing and turning, poorly SMS implentation, I mean, ok we have "conversations" at last, it was about time, but all the other features are gone (every heavy user will know what I am talking about). No MMS?? It is a joke. No possiblity to add APNs?? Amazing. A tiny rootfs partition, none sense.

On the other side, 600Mhz it is not enough as 256 of RAM either. This is no longer a pure cellphone OS, we are using a really multitasking linux! Google's phone has almost twice of both things. A terrible lack of apps (yet at least), Nokia is depending on free coders to implement basic cell phone features, ridiculous. Never expected from a big/serious company.

OVI Maps??? PC Suite?? Not fully implemented. How could this ever be??

I know that there is a lot of extras (mostly DEVEL) for solving many of those things, that IMO should Nokia took care of. No doubts at all.

So, the thing is that N900 or N97 with very last firmware, despite the hardware things, could be, or have the potential to be really good phones. N900 is not, yet.


dhcmega

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

im also using an n95 8gb i think n95 was the latest success of nokia
since then i haven't seen any great news from nokia.nokia keeps loosin fans :/ it's sad but it's true

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

8 disagree. personally N900 is the best phone of the market actually. Bur of course ther are still many things to do. Regards!

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

sigh...oh god, another one...RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH!!!

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

Yes. Do you think that Maemo team has imported some code from symbian?

I think that in hurry they forgot to ask from testers that what would they think if they had to pay ~500€ of their OWN money for this. I would be thrilled to test this and give it back but testing this and giving loan of 500€ to Nokia because of potential and Open Source spirit seems to be bit too much. Or at least it would be for me. I got this as present so I´m quite happy :)

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

*HUG* Yes, we know. Anything else you want to get off your chest? Just let it out and you'll feel better..

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

N900 is one of the best cellphone I've been used so far, way better than the N97.

Just need time to get all the software been developed. When s60v3 was released in 2005/06, it was terribly lack of software as well.

I personally don't like the form-factor of N95, My favourite is the forgotten N93/N93i :-D

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

Yes!!! Only 3G for 2100 Mhz. 850 and 1900 Mhz will only get 2.5G....

Thanks!

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I don´t think that they have used code for any other OS. IT is not a code issue, it is a common sense issue.

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N95 is ugly phone. That is way my love for it is totally real !!! jajajaj

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

I know, the thing is that those missing things turn it into not the best phone out there, IMO.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

My first Linux computer had 33MHz and 8MB RAM. Linux was runing fine, X was a little bit slow.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

dhcmega, I don't understand why you bought the phone if it doesn't serve your needs. You sound like an experienced user who knows what you want, so don't tell me you bought a quite expensive gadget without looking at the features? Lots of folks bought the N900 knowing exactly what they got, and they're happy campers because of that. That doesn't mean everyone will like it. If you want a polished, traditional phone it's not for you I think.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

Try that linux and it will fly, but I guess that there are 15? years of coding and a bigger kernel in the middle! :P

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I really do not understand people writing to complain and to say that they do not like it.... I usually do not post but i do not know how many of those kind of uninformative message have been posted.
Come on. Calm down. Have a look at the talk.maemo and you will see that your comparison of CPU vs nexus is not to be done the way you do. Then the phone functionality bah you should know that the n900 is not having those super phone functionality, full point. This has been said so many times.

With your sort of mentality, It is always better elsewhere. If you were having a nexus, you would still complain.
Enjoy what you have. Or go and whine somewhere else.

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Me too that's why I asked it as rhetorical question.

Go read Bugzilla and Brainstorm and see that there is no common sense or well known "standards" here.

And yes it's just matter of coding it and implementing it properly.

Only thing right now you can do is stop conversation and do following:
- Vote, write bugzilla reports, brainstorm, vote, wait and learn ways to use it.
- Sell device and find something more appropriate to your needs and stop wasting your time with pondering wondering what might happen and what sucks.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

Yes, you are right. The truth it that I asked a friend of mine that went to the US to investigate prices and stuff. When he came back, he surprised me with my new 653 dls N900 cell phone. It is really dificult to feel and experience a phone through forums though.

What I don´t like Nokia, in time where competition is tight, to release a phone that goes backwards in some aspects.

I know it could get to be a really good phone, but it is not there yet. Of course, IMO. And I don´t like Nokia delegating some features on coders good will.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

the n900 is a great piece of kit just needs maturing and few missing features adding

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

I have to agree with you. It appears N95 was the latest decent Nokia device. It really, really makes me boil when I realize Nokia is outsourcing its beta-testing to paying customers like you and me. Never would have thought such from a company as big as Nokia.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

Thats it´s your opinion. And mine is as good as yours.

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I agree. But I think that some of them are basic and the phone should be released with those features tested and implemented.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

Sweet Jesus, ANOTHER one of these threads. For ****s sake mods could we please just get one "Whine about n900/convince me I am wrong/General attention whore" thread created and these things merged into it. This type of thread pops up 3 times a farking day or more. Do we really need a new thread every single time some tosser decides he no longer wants the phone?

I don't create a new thread every day I wake up and decide to keep it.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

For those how wonder why a cry here instead of the church, it is because other people like me, could read the other side of the story and no only those happy reviews.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

Ok, sorry for the duplicate thread. But, hey, 3 or + post of this kind a day may indicate something.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

Have you seen any here? What you said has been told daily 5-10 times.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

Yeah, please hide it quickly before anybody sees it! Only positive comments allowed. Destroy all the negative comments about N900. Quickly!

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

Yes its an indicator of

1) People don't use the search button
2) People create a new thread based on stream on consciousness rather than something that might be useful or valid.
3) People didn't do any research before buying the phone

I bought the phone immediately it was available - and even with that in mind I was able to watch several review videos and read multiple reviews. Many of which pointed out the issues you have with the device. Its a buyer beware world we live in. So .... beware.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

He maybe tries to suggest that use search and post threads where these issues have already been told hundred times.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

People who are unhappy are always going to be more visible than people who are happy. And with any product you will find people who are unhappy with it. Even the Nexus One and iPhone can't escape that.

As for why the N900 doesn't have basic phone features, it's because maemo and symbian are two very different operating systems with two different teams (I believe maemo has a very small development team)and two different (originally) design purposes. Maemo was designed to be more of a computer based OS hence it's design reflects that, it's only with the N900 where phone capability outside of VOIP was added. With the N900 the maemo developers likely focused on the computer os aspect of it first and then the phone aspect later.

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Hey man... Happy man. Sell it on ebay, amazon or wherever. You will get more then your friend paid for it and you will make someone else very happy

You did not find any info in the forums before buying? Well one of the very first things I read was from the Maemo boss saying this is step 5 out of 6 (!) This should mean something to you. I do not feel it is a beta phone. I think it is VERY WELL executed (!)

You did not see and touch the phone before buying it. You can sell it for a profit but all you do is come here to whine about it. The phone is made for a target market & it seems this target is VERY happy with it. You are not part of this target -> Sell it make a profit, buy another phone and everyone is happy :confused:

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And he was right. Apologies.

But I sense that some people take this personally. It is just an opinion.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

N95 is an awesome phone dude, I agree. It also happens to be the one I left behind for the N900 though.

What I don't think people are realizing is the time spent on improving the n95, both from the community and the company. That phone has been out for YEARS. N900 just needs some time and patience. No phone is going to be perfect on its release, especially not with a revamped OS.

Oh, and Nokia is just trying a different business strategy, ala Apple and Iphone developers. Apple just has more support and better footing already.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

I understand. But as I said. I suddenly found myself with a N900, which I wrongly thought It was a continuation of know-how.

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I fully understand that there could be O.S. related problemas, etc. But basic functions missing it is what surprises me.

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Calm down folks. The N900 is not yet the perfect phone, BUT it is perfect for hacking! Imagine the N900 being perfect from the start. How boring would that be?

E.g. the missing MMS feature: At first, I was shaking my head at this. How could Nokia possible drop this feature? But then I read the brainstorm thread in this very forum. And just by trying out Frals' fmms, I learned more about how MMS works in a few days than in years before. And fmms is a great example on how the hackers community works.

Personally I think, the N900 is well usable by Joe Average but it there are other phones (from Nokia or from other companies) that suit their needs.

OTOH, the N900 is a hacker's dream. It is what the OpenMoko tried to become but then failed because of poor hardware.

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And yet you find the time and energy to reply to every one of them and to even be offensive in all your posts.
Impressive and another reminder to why I hardly ever come to these forums anymore.
Funny that it was the Fanboys that made me dislike the forums.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

You could configure "Nicknames" for your favorite contacts, then sort your contacts by "Nicknames"


You can use the "Letter shortcuts" to "jump" to a given section of your contacts list...no need to open keyboard.


Maybe this is by design, to allow for minor angle changes when handling the phone, so as not to change the layout. Some people may perfer this..


Really? It was my understanding that the device has "up to" 1GB of "RAM":

http://www.nokiausa.com/find-product...specifications

Memory
Up to 32 GB internal storage
microSD memory card extension, hotswappable, up to 16 GB* (sold separately)
Total available application memory up to 1 GB (256 MB RAM, 768 MB virtual memory)


How many new devices, be it a "smartphone", or "PC", etc, have large amounts of apps on its release date? How many were developed by the company creating the OS vs. 3rd party vendors?

I understand that you may want to provide some negative comments on a device that you were dissapointed with, which may or may not be issues for other users (none of your comments are concerns of mine), but at least try to make your posts "accurate", or "balanced" at the very least.

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Right, I'll bite - I usually stay clear of threads like this, but hey, it's friday!

As a person coming from the N95 myself, I can relate I guess. It was indeed an extraordinary device when it came (imo).

It's not a PC? I consider it as a portable computer, seeing as I (while on my commute to/from uni) do the following: read/answer mail, check what's new on various websites, watch the nights before tv-episodes. If I feel inclined, I fire open pygtkeditor and code a bit, and can do a git commit; git push right there from the bus.
OTOH, I don't expect it to run my brand new PC games - but really - did you?

As you might have noticed, this is the first version of this operating system where there are phone capabilities at all, childproblems are to be expected. But yes, it would be nice to have *everything* but reality is, you'll never get everything.
I consider myself a "heavy user" of SMS, averaging 300ish a month, give or take a few - what's missing? Except for a way to turn off the darn smilies, I'm not missing anything from what the N95 had in the way of SMS.

The good thing with Maemo is, while features are missing, most - if not all - can be added by *ANYONE*. No MMS you say? Community has added that, sure, it's not perfect, but it's getting better all the time.
Not being able to add APN? It's right there in Extras - search for "fAPN" ;)
No USSD? I'm sure I've read it's user contributed as well (search for USSD-widget).

(How long did it take e.g. the iPhone to get MMS?)

You see where I'm going with this? While many features are missing out of the box, they are being added constantly by other users. Welcome the the world of Maemo, where we don't only complain about missing features - we add them ;)



The PC Suite support is bad, agreed (can't say I ever needed it though, Exchange sync handles it for me ;)).

Well, it would've been nice to have every single feature anyone can think of in the box, but then we would never see a release ;)

Bottomline is, if your not happy with the device - return it! Do some research on the next phone you consider buying before actually buying it and I'm certain you will be much happier with your next purchase, regardless of brand. :)

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Do people realize that Snapdragon is a bastardized ARM version of the OMAP the N900 has?

Do people realize that even if Snapdragon where to deliver more performance than OMAP (they are different architectures, so you can't compare speeds MHz); there is a big bottleneck accesing all that power, due to the VM Dalvik architecture of Android?

Do people know that the N900 has 768 Mb of swap?

I swear, this is starting to look like the Ghz race of PC's a while ago...

Edit: And just for the record, I completely agree that some functions in Maemo (namely phone ones) are inferior than Symbian, and apparently, that was a conscious design choice taken by the UI team due to short time to release the device.

Re: After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.
 

I reply to them in in the desperate hope that people will some day grow a clue if they see the same "USE EXISTING THREADS" message over and over again.

@OP: I appreciate you didn't know better. Sorry to be so harsh on you.