Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?
 

Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?

Just to clarify this single question.


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P.S. Please be considerent with people time and do not merge this to some thread with hundreds of posts. There are many people that don't have time to go through hundreds of posts for a simple answer.

Re: Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?
 

Nope. It wil be Windows 3.1.

How should we know? It's not like Nokia is flooding us with information, you know...?

We can speculate all day long, and that's all it will be. Speculation. Until either Nokia tells us what's up, or until they release the software... or, until some beta tester slips and says something s/he shouldn't have.

Re: Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?
 

Maemo 6 is MeeGo 1.0

And it will be released in september at the nokia world.

Re: Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?
 

So what’s with Maemo6? Maemo6 will be MeeGo compatible.....consider Maemo6 already a MeeGo instance.

ari jaakis's blog
jaaksi.blogspot.com/

Re: Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?
 

Some quotes from PCMAG website
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359259,00.asp


"The first MeeGo release is expected in the second quarter of 2010, with new devices coming next year. "

"Oistano pointed to Nokia's N900, a Linux-based smartphone introduced last year, as an example of devices that would benefit from MeeGo."

"Nokia has not decided if Maemo 6 will still be branded as such, but in terms of experience, the transition should be seamless, Oistano said."



The first quote I put up would almost seem to disagree with the 3rd quote I put up/ If meego is coming out, what will it be running on? No new hardware is expected until next year?

From my guess, the n900 will be the first meego device?

Maemo 6 is no more. maemo is no more. hehe MaEmo is NO more. That means Ryan won't care what case I use anymore.

Re: Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?
 

Yes, I read that, too. However I'm undecided whether I should trust the content of PCMag. How do I now they are reporting what was said, when they cannot even spell Kai's name correctly?

Re: Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?
 

Rest in Peace Maemo.

RIP Maemo.

You were loved.

Re: Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?
 

Hope the Maemo will not go to the garbage bin> This is because of different reasons. One is MeeGo is based on Moblin Kernel. And Moblin is based on Fedora. They switched from Ubuntu last year. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2068665492.html

I understand Intel wanted QT development and ARM architecture support for their Moblin OS, but why Nokia is selling itself to Intel and what about the Maemo kernel, Debian and everything?

If it is a real OSes merge, why MeeGo is using Moblin kernel and the kernel is not a merge?


And what is Nokia getting from this? Do they want to produce phones or tablets with x86 architecture? That will produce more fragmentation. I still don't get what really Nokia is getting from this deal.

Re: Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?
 

I saw someone post the statement taht Maemo6 is a instance of Meego.

That would make more sense. Given that any Moblin/Maemo merger is going to have to expand the hardware computability of both. It seems logical to develop a top level product called MeeGO that defines the API etc. then to have sub products built on that core.

MeeGo with a kernal and binaries built for OMAP is Maebo
MeeGo with a kernal and binaries built for Intel is Moblin

Whenever MeeGo updates the core libs etc Meabo and Moblin would autobuild downstream. As much as possible would be moved into the upstream source and developed there. With and Nokia or Intel propitiatory code needed to support dedicated hardware being added on the downstream builds.

A guess of course. But such a structure would allow for many more MeeGo instances to be created by LG Samsung HTC etc etc. And given that the only benefit of such a move is to open up the ability to develop cross platform it would make sense.

This way foss app developer would compile for their own platform. The source when wanted would be moved upstream and communities like this would optimise etc downstream if needed/wanted.

And for profit companies could create single source for the product and build their own autobuild and repository tree for distribution.

Fairly similar to how many closed source houses have had to work for PDAs etc in the past but more of a common structure.

This is what I would want to see anyway.

Re: Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?
 

I pick today as the day Maemo starts to go downhill. Oh well, I hold high hopes for Mer.

First the OpenMoko failed, now the Maemo tablets will fail - both caused not by technical problems, but by bad decision making.

Re: Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?
 

I saw that on a tweet, this is why I even asked this question.

Because what I understand from Maemo 6 will be a MeeGo instance is that Maemo 6 will still exist as a branch of MeeGo or as a customized MeeGo.

Nokia has thousands of lines of code that are not opened in Maemo, will be these opened and give to MeeGo or they will be kept as a branch of MeeGo.

In other words: Is Nokia keeping some of the investment of its development to keep an advantage over other Linux OSes which are closed, not open source (SAMSUNG's Bada, Palm's WebOS, Apple's iPhone OSX) or other Linux OSes partially opened (Google's Android, LiMo) or other closed OSes (RIM),
or is it giving to Intel and others even the code that was closed in Maemo?

Re: Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?
 

I don't see it as a failure so much as I see it as a way to make Nokia's investment in Maemo relevant. Intel seems to have invested more in Moblin and several different OEMs are using it. This allows Nokia to leverage Maemo into an OS which can run on high end phones and focus their own efforts on the hardware. Not to mention expanding the market for third party developers.

Re: Will it be a Maemo 6 or it will just be MeeGo?
 

Maemo was already, as far as I know, for high end smart-phones. And why should Nokia focus on hardware, and not on software? Is Intel going to take over the OS development from now on?

Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

This is a simple request to rename this forum but it's worth getting into more details to clarify things.

Harmattan is the name of the software program that comes after Fremantle / Maemo 5. In the Maemo Summit we already announced it as "Maemo 6" in order to bring a clear signal about the major update, change of toolkit, etc.

Now MeeGo comes to the picture. "Maemo 6" will not be used by Nokia as a brand since all the marketing effort around the software platform will be around MeeGo.

To be clear: this is not about "ditching" or "abandoning" any platform. The Harmattan program keeps working with the same plans than last week, no matter the name of the product they will deliver. Maemo 6 and Moblin 2.x merge and have a successor called MeeGo. Current Maemo people will look at it and will say "looks like his mother!". Current Mblin people will look at it and will say "looks like his father!" (or choose your preferred gender) ;) Of course you will see changes compared to Maemo 5, but these changes were coming anyway with Maemo 6.

What does this mean exactly for Harmattan7MeeGo? It means different things for different people:

- For end users nothing really changes, apart from a name most of them were not aware of anyway.

- For application developers not much changes. Harmattan's developer offering is based on Qt 4.6 + Qt Creator, Web Runtime + Aptana. Same for MeeGo and btw same for Symbian. Harmattan *might* have extended APIs unique to Nokia devices (e.g. Ovi APIs), but we'll see and this is part of the MeeGo flexibility anyway. Wait for the SDKs to be released and then we can discuss in more detail. There will be also the APIs available for those willing to use them, provided directly by other open source components in the platform (e.g. GStreamer). Developers will be of course free to use them, at the expense of loosing compatibility with Symbian, and with MeeGo... depends on the component and to be seen as soon as there is a detailed MeeGo architecture public. Then there will be the obvious difference in packaging (deb still for Harmattan, rpm for MeeGo) but this won't be the big issue and anyway compatibility with Symbian implies specific packaging as well.

- For those caring about the platform in depth, Harmattan =! MeeGo. If we would make Harmattan identical to MeeGo then we would need to postpone dates and, really not for a good reason. Not a reason for app developers (the API is there anyway) and not a good reason for end users, who could not care less about packaging and some obscure middleware components. This is the only reason making Ari Jaaksi refer to Harmattan as a "MeeGo instance" instead of just "MeeGo product".

This is why we are dropping the "Maemo 6" *brand* while keeping all the Harmattan development full speed and in the same direction that it was.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Now I can add more buzz words like MeeGo to my CV. Nice:)

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Thanks @qgil for taking time to clear certain things.

I believe this has been asked before and will be asked again.
Will there be an OFFICIAL MeeGo release for the N900 from Nokia?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

useful reading to get the context: Nokia Software Strategy updated: http://www.nokia.com/NOKIA_COM_1/Tec...hite_paper.pdf

available at http://www.nokia.com/technology

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Quim you forgot to address all the incumbent changes to the community. What happens to those who run Maemo branded forums? To those who are currently members of the Maemo council? What happens to those who work on the Maemo infrastructure and code base - there already exists a MeeGo code base and infrastructure.

Unfortunately, there will be many changes to the community, not all of them positive.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

At least the branding question is clarified now :)

Following up Jeremiah's question: is Nokia committed to bring/support the community (with Talk and end-users included) for meego too?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

So... is it going to be Debian or Fedora based? :confused:

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

so is this meant that there won't be any maemo6 device? and what would happen to n900's future? will meego be available to it?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

i think .rpm came from RedHat LINUX. may be red hat base? i am really confuse with this marketing scheme

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Packaging system is not that important. It was several years ago...
But I'm asking about the base system.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

From what I've seen and read since yesterday, whole MeeGo thing is mostly just about re-branding of similar Linux platforms into one (plus just a few technical differences, but tbh we are not switching from Linux to - say - Windows or MacOS here). However community might feel disappointed about ditching beloved Maemo brand, we can't forget one thing: Nokia is a commercial business designed to generate profit and find new ways of finding itself in current market situation (same applies to Intel, really), whether we all - community members - like it or not. These are business decisions made somewhere high over our heads and we have not much else left than just accept it (or not).

However, from what Quim is saying, I can see that despite ditching a brand, they certainly do not intend to ditch community, but invite us all to this new MeeGo platform, where we could all bring our values from Maemo. And I think this is great! I definitely can't think of any example of other company/plaftorm/etc. that would have similar approach to its users.

I am not trying to justify anyone or anything, in fact I was slightly disappointed at first too, but I'm just trying to think about both sides of the stick here, really. However, what I can certainly see here is Quim's great effort to make that re-branding as painless for community as possible, so many kudos for him.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

To answer my question from the MeeGo FAQ:

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

No, I didn't forget. :)

One thread for one topic and everybody will be able to follow and contribute much better to the topics that interest to them more. There is currently a lot of overlapping discussion happening in several places. The best way to move forward is to discuss every topic in the place and context that it corresponds.

This thread is about branding. "Maemo" brand won't be used beyond "Maemo 5" by Nokia. MeeGo is the new brand and "Harmattan" is the right denomination (as it already was) for the minority of people caring about the platform specifics.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Moblin is not Fedora based so this question does not make sense.

It will use RPM instead of .deb if that was your underlying question. See http://meego.com/about/faq

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

I know that it'll use rpm. Quim even said it here. He didn't say why the change is necessary, probably because Intel insists on the rpm's licence tag.

Moblin 2.0 is Fedora based. It was based on Ubuntu before that.
Maemo is Debian based.

So... what base standards will MeeGo use?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

so meego.org instead of maemo.org? Makes sense, although the name and logo are just so bog-standard..

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

meego.com actually, as meego.org is already registered to someone in China.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

So the Nokia instance of MeeGo will be Debian-based, using dpkg and co; while Intel's instance is RPM-based?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

So "Maemo7"/MeeGo will basically be the first version of an OS deployed to a device? I thought part of this whole 5-step program was to prove the Maemo OS through a number of devices and enhancements until it would be ready for prime time.

This seems to quite the step back and I'm anticipating that MeeGo will once again be square one in a new X-Step program.

Don't you think people will eventually grow tired of Nokia's inability to actually complete this process and its rather apparent lack of consistent direction?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

I somewhat share the worry. However, it has to be said that Maemo and Moblin have come quite a long way already, the experience (and software) surely won't simply be discarded. Problems solved during the Maemo development cycle (hardware drivers, memory optimization, internal services, UI etc) will not need to be solved again from scratch. The basic OS will probably require very few changes (even though it will require repackaging).

If Nokia can deliver a top-class Harmattan device this year, nobody will care about previous strategy, roadmaps and "step X of Y".

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Can someone just tell them to re-run the naming schemes with the focus group again?

Are they REALLY ABSOLUTELY SURE that they wanna go with MeeGo for a whole line of premium products...??

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

No, the first instance of MeeGo (MeeGo prerelease, if you want to call it like that) will be Harmattan (previously named maemo6). It will use deb packages. After that (maemo7) it will be using rpm.
The five step program have the aim to provide end-user-friendlyness at the fifth step (maemo6 or Harmattan or first instance of MeeGo). So Harmattan and MeeGo will provide this user-friendlyness.
A OS is NEVER finished and will be developed further and further (it would be bad if not^^).

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

I suspect "MeeGo" devices coming out this year will:
- provide the same version of QT and (possibly) Web Runtime
- have some way of installing RPM packages (which does not mean using them for the underlying OS -- you can do this sort of thing in Linux with alien etc)
- share the brand name

That's all they really need right now from a commercial perspective.

From 2011, all MeeGo devices will probably share a lot more, but I wouldn't expect anything more than this in the short run. It would be fun to have GeoClue and a couple of other things, but I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't there initially.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Wait...
Quim asked to change Maemo 6, not the entire Maemo community? Why should he address the whole community when only the latest variant is being asked to be changed - in branding?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

I love your ability to make all these posts...and still they say absolutely nothing apart from re-iterating some tired old cliche.
I mean seriously, re-read this post from you - and the one about you "having a discussion" - there is absolutely no content in what you are posting.

Maybe I learnt this skill from you.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

I think it's a good name. I can see how you can twist it in to "me ego", but if you can disregard that I don't see a problem.
Sounds catchy, especially if you say it while imitating the hulk. meego store ;)

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Yeah, the OS keeps being developed, but mostly without backward device compatibility.

I'm pretty sure Hamarttan will run only in some N910 "step five" device. And I doubt it that when Nokia release its first MeeGo device they will even think about trying to release an installer for this hypotetical N910.

I don't criticize this, I can see their reasons. It really should be up for a project like Mer to create a more versatile distro. But how are they/we going answer to this new change of direction?

And what about the developers-developers-developers? I do feel they are being offered a better environment to work with, but how much is this related to a whole distrubution or just to the availability of specific tools?...