N900-the only Maemo5 device
 

so, n900 was actually an expirement that costed me and other hundreds of people around 600euros each?
i do hope i ll see n900 running meego(or maemo6), although if this happens, n900 will be the first nokia device OS upgradeable..
i have been a nokia customer since 1997, recently i got an iphone and i thought i should go back to my beloved nokia.now official replacement of OS and device coming after 2months of release of the device....

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This thread has nowhere to go but down.

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It was known already at the time the N900 was released that Maemo5 would not continue onto any other devices. The Harmattan project was already known and Nokia made no secret of this.

Man, I sound like an appologist :)

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This is actually Nokia's 'normal' release cycle isn't it?

The NITs had much longer life cycles compared to their normal mass market phones.... and none of their 'normal' phones have upgradeable OS...

.... so... welcome to Normal.

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Hang on to it for 20 or 30 years and you'll get your money back, since it will be a collector's item.

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Not even close. The 770 got OS2005, Mistral, Scirocco, Gregale, plus two Hacker Editions. The N800 got Bora, Chinook & Diablo. Not to mention Mer.

It's been around 4 months since the N900 launch, and Harmattan device(s) are many months away.

Anyway, so what? If you buy your electronics expecting that nothing newer is going to appear you must be constantly disappointed.

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Which makes it so special :D n900 FTW!! hahaha

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It's strange, I'm living in the now and I'm having the best time. I never sell or get rid of devices, and I see my n900 as being a work horse for many moons to come. This latest announcement could easily help extend the n900's life. My glass is way more than half full.

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@el3ctronick

Why is everyone complaining about not getting an upgrade.

I bought my first computer with Win 3.1 on it and I cost me half a fortune then and let me tell you -- it never got a free upgrade to XP. My car did never get an electronic update - would never expect it.

You bought a peace of equipment based on what it was worth to you then - now be happy about it.

I married my wife 18 years ago and am still happy with her - or better I love her more then when I married her.

So look at your N900 and tell it that you love it for what it is and not what it could be!

If you can't do that, don't blame anyone but your self - because it was you that bought the N900.

Regards Markus

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Does it matter that it's the only Maemo 5 device... ever?

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I'd agree. If you like how it works now...not having Maemo6/MeeGo/etc doesn't really matter.

The only thing that is a bit 'odd' here is Nokia's inability to step and once and for all say if the N900 will be able to run MeeGo or not.

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In fact there have been such apparent hesitations at each major transition: maemo3 on the 770, maemo5 on the N8x0... the final answer was always 'no'.

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Which once again brings me back to how I, personally, view Nokia: I really like the hardware but I am very disappointed in how they manage the software side.

So, once again personally, I'm rather thrilled about the MeeGo development and the possibility of seeing a Nokia-quality-branded tablet running a software co-developed with Intel.

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it matters because you paid 600euros and the item is being replaced after 2 months(it was available in december for someone that says its been 4 months in stores). its like buying a new mercedes car the latest model and after 2 months its being replaced with another model. what nokia is doing is not illegal but it does suck.

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But the thing is...just because another model is coming out...doesn't effect the functionality of your existing one.
If you like your N900 now you'll like it in a year as well won't you?

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good methaphor. but it is wrong. If you buy a new merc the next model can be announced the next day... and after you have bought the car and start it first time inside the car shop, it becomes couple thousand dollars/euros cheaper.

million dollar question: what is the replacement for n900 you are talking about? do we have concrete device or are you just acting silly?

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Replace the model numbers, and this was the same arguments that many people used for the N810 and the dead-on-arrival Diablo update. Once that came out, nothing else really got updated. Skype? Gizmo? Rhapsody? MicroB? The OS?

Nothing got updated some 13 months afterwards. Did I complain? Hell yes. Do I complain to this day? Yep, on some days like it just happened.

But you know what? My N810 still works just fine. I still use it. I get community based apps that are better than some of the original apps - Tear beats the pants off of MicroB, imho.

So yeah, whine away. Get angry. Start a few petitions. Request that the N900 be removed from the stores. It's happened in the past. Nothing happened by whining.

Get over it. Sounds evil, but I've been there too. Enjoy what you got now. Nokia got one on you. They got me twice - 770 and the N810. I didn't pull the trigger on the N900. And yet I'm still hanging around... thinking about what's next.

Same thing as Nokia. Do I like their "start, stop, restart, drop" method of software support and continuation? Not one bit.

And to be 100% truthful, a big part of me wants to point fingers, laugh at you guys. Real hard. But know what? There's no use in that either. Stick around this community - for however long it'll remain and enjoy your phone. It works just as great today as it did before these announcements.

Cooler heads prevail. And it's not all known quite yet.

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I find it hard to believe that "Maemo 6" won't find its way to the N900 as well, I think its coming. The official or the un-official way ;)

I have faith in you hacker-crazies in this wonderful community! :D

Either way, I'm changing phones once a year these days anyway, so I don't think I'll be pissed off if I need to change to the next device. And I think that in a year's time, the N900 will have evolved dramatically from what it is now.

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I have been using Palm products for several years and one of the many benefits of PalmOS is that there are thousands and thousands of applications for it. If N900 is the only device of its kind (and even abandoned by Nokia), it will never get even close to other platforms. And hardware without good software is dead hardware.

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wrong. Qt4.6 gives Maemo5 really big opportunity. you can get any Qt -developed (Meego, symbian, ....) app to run in Maemo5 in best case only by recompiling it.

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Did anyone ever stop to think that maemo 6/harmattan might not be da **** ? It could just be a dumbed down version for more lightweight phones than the n900.

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However, there is one pretty clear message that seems deserve some repetition:

N900 is practically the first openly available mobile device that can run MeeGo applications. this topic is dicussed by qgill at

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=87

"
- As soon as Qt 4.6 gets officially supported in Maemo 5, the building blocks to be API compatible with MeeGo will be there.

Translation to end users: getting MeeGo apps to run on top of Maemo 5 shouldn't be a rocket science and maybe they just work. MeeGo will attract more developers to this API = more apps = more joy for N900 users."

Br,
//Harri

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I'm sorry, but these three sentences have nothing meaningful to do with each other. I'm not sure they have any meaning at all.

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i really wish you are right, i love N900, my main concern is the support of applications AND fixing the 850 bugs the phone has now. i am afraid that they have started developing the new OS and they wont give attention to maemo5 problems....from my experience with previous nokia devices, discontinued phones receive less attention...anyway, i hope i am a big whiner and all of my frustration is a stupid reaction.

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I was a Palm man for a few years.

I originally bought the Palm m505 (colour screen, sd/mmc card, 8mb of memory) and the os version was 4.0. I installed dozens of applications and even bought a couple too (mobi-office).

A couple of years later I bought a Palm T3 (larger colour screen, sd/mmc card, 64mb of memory) and the os version was 5.2.1.
Thankfully the T3 was backward-compatible and I could still use my collection of software for it.

There was a point to this post.....
...Ah yes.

Many of the software titles available for my T3 were also available for the older version of the OS (4.0).
I was down to the developers to ensure the applications were available for both versions of the OS.

Now if Nokia/MeeGo/Maemo 6/etc ensure the next OS is flexible enough to install on a maemo5-based device then great - everyone wins in a major way.

If we discover that the next version of maemo will never run on the n900 then it will be up to the application developers to decide to release for both platforms. Potentially a crappy scenario but unlikely to happen.

The next update of maemo5 will include the QT libraries - this is essentially the core of maemo 6/MeeGo/WhoCares platform.

Developing for both platforms (maemo5 & "maemo 6") suddenly got a lot easier.

Even if the n900 never gets the next version of maemo then it still a great computer/phone. I'm sure developers will ensure that thier software runs on both platforms - it's in thier best interests to expose thier software to a wide audience.

Talking about the n900 as the only maemo5 device is a moot point and the "debate" of upgrading the n900 to the next version has been done to death.

At the moment we have many options available to us and that is a "good thing"(tm).

If Nokia themselves do not port the next version of the maemo os to the n900 then someone else will - it's open source.

Can people please stop moaning about maemo5 and the n900?

The n900 has a very long and useful life ahead of it. If you are still not happy then sell you n900 and get an iPhone instead. Then Apple can be responsible for your device instead of you.

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i was just expecting not to be the mouse of nokia labs..thats all..i love my n900....but this is kinda disappointing guys

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Correct me if I m wrong, but I think it is natural that Nokia's future "mobile computers" will be based on the portable x86 architecture rather than OMAP.

The fact that nothing has been announced about the next Nokia mobile computer, in terms of specifications, might mean that they're still designing it. If that's the case I would expect the n900 to live and sell for more than one year from now..which is quite good for this kind of phones. I remember how bullocked I felt when SE released the P900 a year after I got my SE P800 =)

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It's not about upgrading... It's about user and developer base. We know close to nothing about application compatibility with the new platform. Even the time I consumed to learn how to use the "advanced" features of this device seems now futile. The one wm phone I had was ultimate crap, but now I see other peoples' htc's and I KNOW the very depths of them. I mean now, if a developer wants to make an app, will he go for the maemo meego whatever platform?
Last year it seemed the way to go was s60v5. I got a 5800, I gathered all my favorite apps. learned to hack and customize it, and then there they announce a brand new promising platform that I thought maybe it is worth the extra time to migrate to. Now it seems we have to move all over again. And the bad thing is we are not sure it's here to stay. Just look at how many platforms Nokia has changed on the high-end communicator-tablet segment.
Symbian UIQ (nokia 6708) - abandoned
Series 80 (9xxx communicators) - abandoned
Series 90 (Nokia 7710) - merged with S60 (in effect abandoned)
S60v3 (E90) - no new communicator as of now
S60v5 (5800XM, N97)
OS200x (I see it as a different platform as there is very limited application compatibility with M5)
Maemo 5 (N900) - abandoned? hope the merger with moblin does not end up like S90 and S60
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real estate for sale Pattaya

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I think the author of this thread should dubbed the title of the thread to: "N900 the last Maemo"

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Yes, all this drama would also make a nice movie :P

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I think a lot of people posting on this topic are missing the point of the author. Yes we are grateful for the openess of the device, we are looking forward to the fantastic opportunities MeeGo will bring but this is more about the "now" and the next 12 months.

N900 for me was a device that needs a lot of TLC from the community to push it to the limits. I knew it wouldnt be the final installment of Maemo and it would be replaced eventually *key word*.

There is a real cycle in product development. Imagine if Apple released 3G and then 4 months later replaced 3GS - not only is that unfair to the consumers who are now tied into the 2 year contract, it reveals a lot about the culture of the firm. Unfortunately If (big if) MeeGoo and the grounds it operates on are not compatible with N900 (and the apps etc developed for it) then the N900 really would have been a very short lived device. Ofcourse many of us will continue to use the N900 and its brilliant power for years to come - but the author I believe is aiming to address the anxiety and frustration of the new users who are accustomed to the 18/24Month device cycle. They wanted the latest device - they got it - and now they're told it's *potentially* not future proof.

In reply to another user, a windows machine running 3.1 would not be upgraded to XP. That's just a silly analogy. This is a better one: A Windows Millenium User expecting an upgrade to XP after the pathetic performance of Millenium. That's a fair expectation.
Same way MS won't sell Windows 7 and 6 months later cause uncertainty and haze to it's consumers by telling them Windows will no longer be their OS of choice. Just imagine what that would entail.

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that is exactly how i feel. you wrote it the proper-understandable way, without any frustrating emotions. thanks :)
in the official N900 promo video nokia was telling me: go get the incredible future phone which is ages ahead of other devices, the device is released in december, i bought it, 2 months later nokia tells me indirectly, maemo5 is old, we are moving to the next level with new OS, thanks for the 600euros.

ps: this huge change means obviously that nokia devs(since 2 months life for an OS is failure) and marketing dept(lifecycle of the product) have no clue about what they are doing.
i dont get it, so much marketing for maemo5 and N900, so much delay, so many bugs with its delayed release, before fixing the problems they simply move to a different product....wouldn't it be more professional to ship a N9xx device in june with Meego instead of all this rushing to "catch" customers...?

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i think credit to everyone who feels, for lack of a better word, screwed over by Nokia. I do too, but unfortunately i don't think Nokia would be doing anything different even if we made some virtual noise.

i'm perhaps a half-baked company's ideal customer. i spend weeks researching a device with all its pros and cons, and always take an attitude that discredits the company's support efforts unless expressly stated. This way i set the bar low so that i know what i'm getting myself into.

but i agree that a n900 owner has the right to feel aggrieved! i would too, if only i didn't possess such a lack of faith in tech companies.