Nokia CEO not happy being beaten by the iPhone (was: Nodia CEO...)
 

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=adYA2Q31tWmY

And yet he doesn't do some of the things that we advocate on this board. The path to kicking Apple's butt is pretty clear in my mind.

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I don't think i've ever heard of nodia . Do they make good stuff ?

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Overall it's a decent article, but IMO glosses over too many positive points in order to cast a largely negative light on Nokia.

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Yes i would like to hear more about this Nodia! I heard their new M3000 sink got excellent finish, but a bit small :(

... yes i'm a kid.

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Remember though that the Maemo section of Nokia is tiny. The pain that has first to be accepted is letting Symbian off the top shelf. Maemo/MeeGo/Whatever else it is now, needs to stabilise and that takes time, resources and planning. Bit slow on the up take but you have to get the foundations in place first.

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Hehe.

N97 users want Symbian^3 on there phones ;) (See comments after article)

http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/...-by-end-of-q1/

I can see a pattern emerging ... Top of the line models users are expecting Nokia to upgrade phone to next version software.

In my opinion it's only fair.
These users are paying big money for something which is evolving, which in the next iteration will be middle of the line and better suited to the expectations of the users.

From a economic point of view it doesn't make any sense.
From a "creating a solid client base" point of view, it makes perfect sense.

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I have a Nodia N900, its really a crap, not like a Nokia N900 :D

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I personally think that if nokia really want to rival the iphone specifically then they should bring another device out with maemo 5 but not a tablet and without a qwerty keyboard so that way it is lighter. And they should have some general apps installed on the desktops.
With that being said, all that needs to be done is giving it a nice look and feel.

The reason I mention it having maemo os 5 and not meego or maemo 6 is so that us n900 users dont feel as if we've been kicked in the nuts.

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So if Nokia had a policy of upgrading old phones to the latest software, their loyal customers would be more inclined to upgrade to the latest phones and ditch their old phones :confused::eek::D

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i thought the article was very encouraging. Before any company can fix problems they must first recognize the problems exist and from the quotes in this article Nokia clearly understands they must change going forward. For all the limitations the IPhone may have, the phone buying public is sure buying a lot of them. The N900 may be but a blip on the Nokia Sales charts today but it is the first step towards the future. I am really looking forward to future updates and apps so my N900 will do what it is so capable of doing.

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The n900 will eventually get there as long as they fix and update all the current issues. Nokia also needs to market things better. I mean i hardly see any nokia ads, Yeah maybe in the paper I might see one like once a year! And the other only time i do is the odd lil video clips on youtube or on their website. Apple is ahead because of its marketting, everyone knws about it. Not so many people know about the n900 and when you do mention it they are like oh whats that so what can that do etc.
If nokia wants to up its game, it has to get in the game! They go about things the wrong way. Although with the n900 they have taken the right step forward and its about time as well.
Let's see what and if they do anything.

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Like in one of my previous posts, nokia need to get in peoples faces, be it app developers or joe public.

Like or lump it the iPhone is the sky+ or the phone world. Nokia need to see the iPhone as the baseline and build from it.

For the first time this week I had iPhone app envy. I peered over a work mates shoulder and saw a slick game. Sad fact I bet it cost 59p :)

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I also cry myself to sleep when i see some of the apps available for the IPhone :D
There's no doubt the N900 has huge potential but the lack of commercial apps/games via the Ovi Store is draining every bit of patience i have left.

They have time to update the ovi store with movie trailers but no apps? :D Lol compared to the iphone that sells/rents full movies via their appstore?

Nokia seriously need to up their game :rolleyes:

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There is simply no incentive for a new C/C++ developer to write apps for Maemo 5 unless they are an extreme fanboy. Nokia needs to give financial incentives, perhaps only taking 10% cut of the app PLUS matching/doubling the dollar sales for every 10,000 downloads.

A HUGE financial incentive is the only way to Push a bunch of quality apps initially. Apple did not need to do this as the initial sales were because of the sexy hardware "at the time".

I also don't believe Nokia can attract top developers especially with Google, Microsoft, Apple and hot startups being the top choice for the best developers.

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I think the problems with Nokia have less to do with Maemo or Symbian and a LOT more to do with the way they operate as a business and their relationship with customers.

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Shame on Nokia for allowing Iphone and other smartphone OS to attract all the best developers :(

I had the Nokia E71 before my N900 and i was very happy with the apps available for it i.e Operamini, buddycloud, nimbuzz, Skyfire, Mobbler, Iplayer etc. The only thing i felt Iphone had over my phone was the great gaming experience but i got my kicks off picodrive emulator for sega genesis anyway:D

Now i find myself forever waiting for some new and decent apps to be made available for the N900. I honestly brought this phone thinking the Ovistore was in full flow....boy was i wrong :(

Now i get some kicks reading Sherlock homes via MGutenburg and listening to Internet radio :D

Sort it out Nokia...i'm only 24yrs old :D:D:D

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The incentive is Symbian and its market share. Any new apps are supposed to use Qt. If Nokia can make developers realize this, they will attract many of the best.

Operate, I don't agree. The software quality is steadily improving - I think they've learnt their lesson.

Customers, definitely. Too many mixed messages and customers disappointed by wrong expectations. Just look at our beloved N900 and all the people wanting to return it due to incomplete phone features despite its astounding capabilities as a computer. I also think it's obvious Maemo 5 will be adequately supported through Qt even if we never get an OS upgrade, but MeeGo has caused a huge negative uproar despite really being a positive development.

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How well does Ovi work on Symbian side anyway?

Huge markets doesn't directly translate to good sales if there's no good ad/sales/distribution/payment infrastructure. This is a strong side of Apple that needs to be copied by Nokia, pronto.

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I think part of the problem is expecting that the N900 would be a iPhone killer, when really we were talking about it being more like the G1, with a newish phone OS. I think it has sold better than even what Nokia was expecting.

Nokia fumbling the Ovi Store hasn't helped, but I do think the problems will get ironed out eventually. Android didn't have a pay store until 5 months after Android Market was launched.

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It attracted a huge amount of negative publicity in the beginning, but it works flawlessly on my 5800. All it needs is more apps, which is really puzzling considering Nokia's market share. It's probably because most small development companies are American, so they really need to push S^3 in the US.

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We need to thank Apple for the iPhone or the mobile market wouldn't have looked like it does today. No Android nor Maemo, only boring (but still good) Symbian, Windows CE and sonyericssons old UIQ (based on Symbian).

Now we have Maemo, coming Meego, Android, W7, Bada all thanks to Apple.

What Apple has done is fascinating and i still think they should have lots of creds for that. I would personally never ever want to own an iPhone at the current state but they surely have driven up the market A LOT.

And also, $1 for a full game like Angry Bird. Pff, was it like that before? Can it get better?

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The key to success is clearly finding a way to make sure developers can get paid or they will not be interested. Not sure how it works on Symbian but with the N900 the Ovi store is still weak, if there is a way to buy an app from the store, I have not found it. The following article seems germane to this, especially since Nokia is not mentioned. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10459753-1.html

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I am one of those people that want Symbian ^3 on the N97 because it isn't that great the way it is right now..

Heck, even Anssi Vanjoki admits it was a disappointment..

http://noknok.tv/2010/02/24/nokia-ad...ver-nokia-n97/

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A lot of people here are missing the point of the article which is: "Nokia fell because it didn't evolve fast enough" in other words they didn't care to take a risk to bring something totally new to the market.

The reason why Iphone was so popular was not because of it's high power or apps (It sold even before it was released). It was simply because it had a huge screen and a wicked design. People were thinking "oh I can watch movies with it anywhere I want". In other words its first impression was that it was the king of the hill - the best.

What Nokia needs to do is to stop being a copy-cat and start doing what apple has done (Nokia has done it before!): Make something new and revolutionary. Just make that touchscreen system look like crap compared to something new and revolutionary for example.

Also apple has the most fanatic customer base on the planet earth. Actually it is so fanatic that term "ifan" surely sounds familiar to everybody. Nokia customer's seem to feel like they're left alone after buying the phone and this is something that really needs to be taken a look at. Part of the solution could be to provide requested features as commercial applications.

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Reading through the thread, I noticed one word which, to me, defines Apple versus Nokia (Symbian, Maemo, or Meego):

Slick

The iPhone, when it first came out and you had no apps at all, still looked and worked slick compared to the competition. While there are fart apps now, there are also many apps in the iPhone store that can truly be called slick. If you've ever been to an Apple store, it's slick.

Nokia hasn't been slick since at least the 1011 or 7110 which, at the time, were pretty slick. Now they seem content to copy other companies and experiment with not quite ready for prime time devices like the N900.

Hopefully they can get back to innovating. Whether through their alliance with Intel or their rack mounted analysts, I don't care.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=22

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As one who has developed several apps for Diablo and ported several others I must say that Nokia has a long way to go to make life easier for the developer. When I started it took me over a week to get scratchbox setup configured and working properly and start to be able to develop.
I just recently started on Android. WOW! What a difference. Download their SDK's and Eclipse and in an hour I was working their sample programs and using their emulator.
I do prefer Qt and C++ over Java but Google has obviously spent a lot of money and effort making life easy for developers (I assume this is true of Apple as well). I can't say the same for Nokia.

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An additional thought. Both Google and Apple are really software houses where as Nokia is not in my opinion. I feel maybe this has something to do with it. Apple and Google better understand what developers needs are.

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If they charged a reasonable rate for an upgraded OS I think myself and many others would be intrested even if they were our second phones or to be handed/sold on etc.

Surely making sure Phones have a good sell on or keep as 2nd device value is important to many when deciding what Phone to purchase.