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gddhthrhrhr@yahoo.com 2010-02-25 19:08

is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
meego os is gonna use intel cpu?
not arm any longer?

sjgadsby 2010-02-25 19:14

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gddhthrhrhr@yahoo.com (Post 546328)
meego os is gonna use intel cpu?
not arm any longer?

MeeGo supports both x86 and ARM.

The next Maemo MeeGo device from Nokia uses an OMAP3 (ARM) processor.

Alex Atkin UK 2010-02-25 19:38

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
Indeed, its likely to be a dual-core version of what the N900 has.

No Intel CPU is as battery efficient as the ARM is, and with that in mind the N900 for many of us still has pretty dreadful battery life. :( Waiting on my AA battery to Nokia adapter. :)

Mandor 2010-02-25 19:45

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
I am just throwing something into the discussion as I would like you guys to tell me what you think of it :

Quote:

Ars Linux Editor Ryan Paul noticed at Nokia's Maemo Summit last year that Nokia was oddly resistant when it came to talking about the chip that's slated to power the successor to the N900. Ryan pushed and the only thing that Nokia would say is that it is continuing to develop on the OMAP3, the same chip that is currently in the N900. With next-generation ARM parts based on the Cortex A8 and A9, it made zero sense that Nokia would stick with OMAP3 for an N900 follow-on, leaving Ryan with the strong impression that Nokia was exploring other SoC options that it wasn't ready to talk about.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/...than-linux.ars

ysss 2010-02-25 19:48

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
I wonder if the apps will come packaged with both binaries included or you'll have to hunt and peck for the correct binary like in the early(?) WinMo days...

livefreeordie 2010-02-25 19:56

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 546381)
I wonder if the apps will come packaged with both binaries included or you'll have to hunt and peck for the correct binary like in the early(?) WinMo days...

This is why we have a package manager.

I predict MeeGo will end up on ARM phones and x86 netbooks/tablets, completely transparent to the user. In 5 years, maybe x86 will have the advantage on both - you never know.

ysss 2010-02-25 20:01

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
@livefreeordie: I'm not that familiar with how much closer recent RPM features to APT. I hope the final implementation on MeeGo is sane.

So long as there's equal amount of marketshare between ARM MeeGo and x86 MeeGo, then we have nothing to worry about.

Once this scale tips one way or the other, then brace for impact.

livefreeordie 2010-02-25 20:10

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 546406)
So long as there's equal amount of marketshare between ARM MeeGo and x86 MeeGo, then we have nothing to worry about.

Once this scale tips one way or the other, then brace for impact.

You could be right, but all Nokia needs to do is require that all Ovi apps be compiled for both. It's a non-issue for any competent developer. I don't see why they wouldn't do it. Open source developers will support both by principle.

shadowjk 2010-02-25 20:14

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Atkin UK (Post 546368)
Indeed, its likely to be a dual-core version of what the N900 has.

Citation needed.

I'm not aware of dual core omap3?

Mandor 2010-02-25 20:37

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
He probably meant OMAP4.

DaveP1 2010-02-25 20:43

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowjk (Post 546425)
Citation needed.

I'm not aware of dual core omap3?

The OMAP 4 Cortex A9 is multicore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_I...nts_OMAP#OMAP4

fatalsaint 2010-02-25 20:45

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
I thought it was already confirmed *the next* device will still be OMAP3?

Sure I expect to see dual core in devices probably next year.. but the thread title is "the next" device... I thought I read that was for sure OMAP3 which is not dual core.

wmarone 2010-02-25 20:50

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
OMAP3 is not dual core. TI will not have a multicore OMAP until the 4XXX series (A9 based) chips start shipping.

sennyk 2010-02-25 20:53

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 546498)
OMAP3 is not dual core. TI will not have a multicore OMAP until the 4XXX series (A9 based) chips start shipping.

There are asymmetric dual core omap3 devices; the dsp core normally runs TI's DSPBIOS OS and the arm core runs linux. A linux kernel module allows them to communicate. They are nice.

DaveP1 2010-02-25 21:03

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 546488)
I thought it was already confirmed *the next* device will still be OMAP3?

Sure I expect to see dual core in devices probably next year.. but the thread title is "the next" device... I thought I read that was for sure OMAP3 which is not dual core.

I would agree, my post was meant to point out that it's OMAP4, not OMAP3 that has what is traditionally considered a dual-core device.

While the "confirmation" can always be rescinded (it was, after all, made before Meego), the length of time to get a device designed, certified, and into production would argue that if Nokia is going to meet the 2H10 ship date (which, of course, can also change), the N910 will use the OMAP3 processor (although, hopefully, a faster version).

I would guess the big innovation, besides Meego, will be a capacitive multitouch screen with no keyboard so that Nokia can judge customer acceptance versus the N900.

fatalsaint 2010-02-25 21:19

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveP1 (Post 546508)
I would guess the big innovation, besides Meego, will be a capacitive multitouch screen with no keyboard so that Nokia can judge customer acceptance versus the N900.

I've been thinking this for some time. M6 on N910 with capacitive and no keyboard.. M5 on N900 with resistive and keyboard.

That way they don't overstep their own sells... the N910 would appeal more to the iPhone types that don't mind glass smashing. Like the MyTouch and G1.

egoshin 2010-02-25 21:46

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
N910 without KBD? - No way for me.

Shaichico 2010-02-25 22:06

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
I need to throw this into the discussion!!!

Since I work in the WiMAX/LTE industry of 802.16a/d/e it makes sense that Intel gets a chunk of what Nokia is able to saturate the market with. Intel are going to use Nokia to saturate the market with their radio chips as well as their processing chips. Now since they are already in the processing chip market it makes clear sense that they would integrate this into their radio chip too. Hence, market dominiating for a next generation radio standard for mobile phones. We know that there is a standards war between WiMAX and LTE currently, and that WiMAX is mostly used in Europe and developing countries however LTE is more the evolutionary route so if Intel can get their chips to the masses why not use Nokia to leverage this.
The radio standard for next-gen mobile telephony/broadband is just getting more interesting. GPRS and all the others will so become redundant. I believe that this is the year where mobile manufactures will converge the two technologies and streamline it and to me the alliance of Nokia and Intel will do this.

Just my 2cents worth

gddhthrhrhr@yahoo.com 2010-02-26 00:58

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
i prefer to use Intel cpu....

CrashandDie 2010-02-26 02:05

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gddhthrhrhr@yahoo.com (Post 546842)
i prefer to use Intel cpu....

Enjoy your 20 minute-long battery life.

daperl 2010-02-26 05:50

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
Here's a recent interview with the ARM chip designer:

Conversation with Steve Furber
The designer of the ARM chip shares lessons on energy-efficient computing

u2maemo 2010-02-27 20:16

Re: is that true? the next N9** will use Intel CPU?
 
ARM cpu is good with low power consumption.

if ARM soc have open source 2d/3d acceleration driver, then it is great.


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