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geneven 2010-03-25 20:12
MindMapping for N900
 
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I was just about to pledge allegiance to the new note-taking program Zim, which has just the flexibility or cussedness or whatever I like in a mindmapping program, when I noticed that there have been some changes at www.mindmeister.com and its software seemed to me to work better than ever with the N900

Of course, Conboy also has unique virtues, and Evernote has to be mentioned.

But I wanted to mention this new Mindmeister ease of use; it has long been one of my favorites (I'm actually a paid-up member, though you can use about five mindmaps without paying anything) but I always had a few problems using it with a tablet. Yesterday my tests with the N900 were just beautiful -- I could create a mindmap and zoom and scan without problems.

ofels 2010-03-25 20:48
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geneven (Post 582386)
I was just about to pledge allegiance to the new note-taking program Zim, which has just the flexibility or cussedness or whatever I like in a mindmapping program, when I noticed that there have been some changes at www.mindmeister.com and its software seemed to me to work better than ever with the N900
Looks quite nice though I want an offline mindmapper like vym which unfortunately falls into the "all-good-qt-apps-are-qt3-based" category.

cjp 2010-03-25 20:54
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Hmm mind maps are great for jotting down your thoughts... should use them more. But I can't think of anything to put down on my phone.

What kind of stuff do you use progs like these for?

geneven 2010-03-25 21:48
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
I use them for anything I would use for taking extended notes. Kindles don't have good note-taking capabilities, so I use my N900 for taking notes on books I am reading on the Kindle. I take notes about regular books (you know, that use paper) too, and other things. When I went on a cruise in Europe not that long ago, I kept notes on the ports we were going to. Another time, I kept notes on the people I've known -- that's a big project, even for an introvert! And I kept notes on the books that influenced my thinking. And I kept notes on sites about online learning, since that's an interest of mine.

I used Mindmeister for some of that stuff, Freemind in Linux for other stuff, and I'm starting to use Zim. The nice thing about Mindmeister is that it's permanently available.

A lot of notes I make are thrown out. It is just something to help me organize my messy thinking.

HeadLess 2010-03-26 16:11
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
You all ARE aware of:
Labyrinth
At least on N810 it works good.
Little basic, but good.

geneven 2010-03-29 10:45
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
I am very aware of Labyrinth; are you aware that the title of this thread refers to the N900 and that Labyrinth for the N900 has not been released?

I would be happy to play with Labyrinth again if is was available. My impression was that something wasn't quite right in how it was implemented, but I'm not sure what. I find the new MindMeister way better than Labyrinth was, mainly because it allows a large screen area to be used very well on a small N900.

Patola 2010-03-29 11:00
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
If you install java on your phone, freemind (http://freemind.sf.net) works perfectly, including the recent RC versions. It's a very complete and featureful application.

geneven 2010-03-29 11:16
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Yes, freemind is great; I use it in Linux on my desktop. In fact, it immediately installed in Easy Debian just now; good suggestion.

Another good thing about Freemind is that it's compatible with Mindmeister if I want to switch from one to the other...

bousch 2010-03-29 15:09
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
You can use the embedded jre. Works nicely though not very fast with large mindmaps. Exporting to flash works fine also...

assetburned 2010-04-01 19:23
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
hmm but a native app would be fare better.
especially if the app would have a support for the usual open file format.

Hyoi 2010-04-04 20:38
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patola (Post 586489)
If you install java on your phone, freemind (http://freemind.sf.net) works perfectly...
This is excellent news:
a) I already use Freemind
b) MindMeister is
b1) Only free for 3 mindmaps! Must be somebody's idea of a joke. Business use is $6 per month and Premium is $39 per user per year!
b2) Server-based. No matter how innocent my notes, and no matter how good the encryption, I want my stuff local until *I* choose to collaborate with s.o.

So please could you supply details about where to get what version of Java, and which Freemind kit (I'm assuming real graphical Freemind, not Pocket freemind, correct?)

Thanks in advance!

bousch 2010-04-04 21:29
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
I use the headful, hard float version jre 1.6 for arm6 from http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/embedded.jsp.
This java version only works for 90 days so you will have to download again then.

I unpacked this to a subfolder in /home/user and created a symbolic link to it in /home/user/bin (which is part of my $PATH)

The latest beta of the full desktop version of freemind works fine. Unzipped this somewhere in MyDocs, e.g. Mydocs/apps/freemind, copied the freemind.sh file to /home/user/bin
and added the line
Code:
FREEMIND_BASE_DIR="/home/user/MyDocs/apps/freemind"
to the top of this file.

You can start it from the commandline or create this file /usr/share/applications/hildon/freemind.desktop
Code:
[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Version=0.1
Type=Application
Terminal=true
Name=Freemind
Exec=/home/user/bin/freemind.sh 
Icon=   
#X-Window-Icon=timerwidget
X-Window-Icon=   
X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true
X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable
You have to be root to create this file and you need to use the terminal to do all steps above.

antoarts 2010-04-05 07:16
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
You could also just install Freemind in easy debian...

Hyoi 2011-01-09 21:56
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by antoarts (Post 595916)
You could also just install Freemind in easy debian...
Sounds wonderful, but please could you pardon my ignorance and explain:
* Which kit to install (filename, location)
* How to install it in easy debian
* Do I need to install Java (as described above) and reinstall it every 90 days? :confused:

kiitoksia paljon!

jehan 2011-01-10 11:40
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by assetburned (Post 591795)
hmm but a native app would be fare better.
HiveMind looks interesting:
http://linuxlab.corp7.uniyar.ac.ru/projects/hivemind
http://linuxlab.corp7.uniyar.ac.ru/p...ki/Screenshots

boggiano 2011-01-10 14:20
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Installed HiveMind today: segmentation fault! :(

jehan 2011-01-10 15:01
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
hmm installed it also from extras-devel and it works fine here ...

guyr 2011-01-10 16:27
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
I get also a segmentation fault with hivemind :-(

Nokia-N900:~# apt-cache policy hivemind
hivemind:
Installed: 0.3.1-maemo1
Candidate: 0.3.1-maemo1
Version table:
*** 0.3.1-maemo1 0
500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Nokia-N900:~# uname -a
Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10power46 #1 PREEMPT Thu Nov 18 17:04:59 EET 2010 armv7l unknown

[EDIT] no more segfault with 0.3.4

geneven 2011-01-10 17:00
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Hivemind no longer works for me. It appears to install ok, no error message, but it never starts. It used to work fine. It hasn't been updated, I think, so something else I installed might be interfering.

I tried purging it and reinstalling, doesn't help. Too bad--it was my favorite new program.

zimon 2011-01-10 17:27
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
works for me still. I never use it though. I should.

geneven 2011-01-11 00:53
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
After purging Hivemind (apt-get purge hivemind) and rebooting, reinstallation worked.

boggiano 2011-01-11 09:19
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
OK, this morning my beloved brick told me "1 update": seg fault gone! :D

IT WORKS! :cool:

Great piece of software!

zimon 2011-01-12 13:10
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
For what purposes and tasks you use mindmapping anyway?
LMGTFY, I know, but would be interested on opinions and practices with HiveMind on N900. I like the idea, but as I said, have never used it or other Mindmapping tools.

geneven 2011-02-05 01:07
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 918608)
For what purposes and tasks you use mindmapping anyway?
LMGTFY, I know, but would be interested on opinions and practices with HiveMind on N900. I like the idea, but as I said, have never used it or other Mindmapping tools.
I use it to make notes on books I am reading.

I typically install four main nodes for a novel I am reading:

Character Place Event Word.

Then under each I list all significant ones or associated ideas I think of.

I have used this basic process with many mindmapping programs.

As an example: in FBReader I see a new character. I highlight it and copy with Ctrl-C. With Ctrl-Bkspace I change to the Hivemind window. I create a new node under Character and paste the name with Ctrl-V. This gives me a running list of all characters.

geneven 2011-02-07 10:22
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Unfortunately, the segmentation failt error when running HiveMind has returned for me. Even if I purge HiveMind, when I reinstall it I get segmentation fault.This has been going on for weeks.

Edit: Sigh. I just removed 68 apps and HiveMind works. Now all I have to figure out is why.

Edit Again: I reunstalled many of the 68 apps and HiveMind still works. This was not really a surprise. My current theory is that HiveMind needs a lot of some resource (such as rootfs) to initialize the first time and that's what removing the 68 apps allowed. Now that it is installed I think I can forget about the problem unless I want to reinstall from scratch again.

geneven 2011-02-07 11:51
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Responding again to Zimon's question about Mindmapping and what it's for.

It all started with note taking and theories about the best methods to do it.

Schools taught Outlining, with roman numerals to emphasize a rigid thought structure.

Computer programmers developed GrandView, a sort of super-outliner.

A business guy named Tony Buzan created Mind Mapping -- It was like outlining but super free-form. It was origionally done on paper with lots of drawing and colored pencils. The idea was to summarize ideas emphasizing the big picture but with enough scope to be as complex as necessary.

Now there are many mindmapping programs.

vamonster 2011-02-07 20:00
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
2 geneven
Thank you for your interest in HiveMind.

I've created an issue on the project tracker for the bug.

Python object files (pyo) are not deleted on removal of HiveMind. Old pyo files provoke segmentation fault with newer python source files.

Temporary workaround for the bug:
* remove HiveMind through application manager or running apt-get remove hivemind
* delete directory /opt/maemo/usr/share/hivemind/
* install new version of HiveMind

geneven 2011-03-13 00:51
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Since my slight problem mentioned above, HiveMind has been totally reliable for me and it's a must-have program on the N900. It's far more useful than any similar program on any Nokia tablet I've seen.

droll 2011-03-23 02:18
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
i installed this brand new (no old versions) but it still dies with segmentation fault. help?? i really love mindmapping software and it would make the n900 the perfect work companion.

jackburton 2011-03-23 02:22
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
I have had success using freemind on my N900 using sun java.http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5066/...9128d8c7_b.jpg

droll 2011-03-23 03:09
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
wow...how did you pull that off? freemind ? java? how is the speed? any pointers where to download the packages and what to install? thanks!!

jackburton 2011-03-23 15:37
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
The speed is fine once the app is fully loaded.

Java for N900 has been available for awhile now. The file I have is ejre-1_6_0_21-fcs-b09-linux-arm-vfp-eabi-min-27_sep_2010.ar.gz.

Search the forums for more details.

I think this is the direct link:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/ja...sp-135769.html

Get the ARMv7 Linux - Headful version.

I extracted mine to /opt. Java is in /opt/ejre/bin/java. You may need to add execute bits to the binaries in bin using chmod.

Then download freemind and extract it. I have it in /home/user/MyDocs/Downloads/freemind. Open terminal and set JAVA_HOME and then 'sh freemind.sh'.

Code:
[2|user@Nokia-N900|~/MyDocs/Downloads/freemind]export JAVA_HOME=/opt/ejre1.6.0_21/
[2|user@Nokia-N900|~/MyDocs/Downloads/freemind]sh freemind.sh

vamonster 2011-03-23 20:02
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
2 droll

This is a quite bogus problem. We think that there are some problems with the pyo files precompiled against different version of PySide library. You can try to remove the pyo files that came along with HiveMind. To do this run:
Code:
find /opt/maemo/usr/share/hivemind/ -name '*.pyo' | sudo xargs rm
Please try this if you are still interested and let me know whether it works or not. We are currently working to eliminate runtime segfaults in the upcoming release 0.4.2.

droll 2011-03-23 21:49
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackburton (Post 973973)
The speed is fine once the app is fully loaded.

Java for N900 has been available for awhile now. The file I have is ejre-1_6_0_21-fcs-b09-linux-arm-vfp-eabi-min-27_sep_2010.ar.gz.

Search the forums for more details.

I think this is the direct link:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/ja...sp-135769.html

Get the ARMv7 Linux - Headful version.

I extracted mine to /opt. Java is in /opt/ejre/bin/java. You may need to add execute bits to the binaries in bin using chmod.

Then download freemind and extract it. I have it in /home/user/MyDocs/Downloads/freemind. Open terminal and set JAVA_HOME and then 'sh freemind.sh'.

Code:
[2|user@Nokia-N900|~/MyDocs/Downloads/freemind]export JAVA_HOME=/opt/ejre1.6.0_21/
[2|user@Nokia-N900|~/MyDocs/Downloads/freemind]sh freemind.sh
thanks. which version of freemind? i'm assuming the debian one? then i extract the deb file using tar? i've managed to install java and tested it. so the runtime environment is ready.

droll 2011-03-23 21:55
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vamonster (Post 974192)
2 droll

This is a quite bogus problem. We think that there are some problems with the pyo files precompiled against different version of PySide library. You can try to remove the pyo files that came along with HiveMind. To do this run:
Code:
find /opt/maemo/usr/share/hivemind/ -name '*.pyo' | sudo xargs rm
Please try this if you are still interested and let me know whether it works or not. We are currently working to eliminate runtime segfaults in the upcoming release 0.4.2.
couldn't find any *.pyo files under that folder....

jackburton 2011-03-23 22:20
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by droll (Post 974251)
thanks. which version of freemind? i'm assuming the debian one? then i extract the deb file using tar? i've managed to install java and tested it. so the runtime environment is ready.
I just used the zip distribution. The file was freemind-bin-max--0_8_1.zip.

You can extract and copy the files over or apt-get zlib-bin and then use miniunzip on the N900 itself.

geneven 2011-03-23 22:28
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Hivemind works perfectly for me, and it is much better than Freemind because it's made for the N900 environment. However, I'm not sure why you are having this problem.

jackburton 2011-03-23 23:21
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geneven (Post 974267)
Hivemind works perfectly for me, and it is much better than Freemind because it's made for the N900 environment. However, I'm not sure why you are having this problem.
I haven't used hivemind itself. The thing I like about Freemind is that I can open the same file on my desktop from the N900. I can connect in mass storage mode and edit the file right there on my desktop. No need to 'sync'. Does hivemind have a desktop equivalent?

I'm open to "the right tool for the job" always.

ofels 2011-03-24 10:48
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackburton (Post 974300)
I haven't used hivemind itself. The thing I like about Freemind is that I can open the same file on my desktop from the N900. I can connect in mass storage mode and edit the file right there on my desktop. No need to 'sync'. Does hivemind have a desktop equivalent?

I'm open to "the right tool for the job" always.
http://www.fruct.org/node/287 says it interoperates with FreeMind...

Oliver

vamonster 2011-03-24 13:34
Re: MindMapping for N900
 
2 droll
This is strange, do you still have the installed copy of HiveMind?

2 jackburton
First of all HiveMind is being developed as a cross-platform application for both mobile and desktop environments, so we actually have "PC version of the HiveMind", but there are no rpms or debs available at the moment. We are planning to provide them in the late spring. In the meantime you can use version from the mercurial repository. If you are interested we will create a corresponding manual on how to install and run HiveMind on your Linux distributive (Windows installer is on the way to production mode, if you interested in that platform)

HiveMind uses modified FreeMind fileformat. This means that all the mind map that we made in the HiveMind will be opened in FreeMind and vice versa. But there are some limitations: FreeMind does not support link labels and node/label formatting propagation, HiveMind on the other hand does not support arrowlinks, images and may be some other less needed stuff (if you think that this feature is really needed to be implemented be free to post a bug/feature request on the project tracker).


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