[Maemo 5] Should Sygic be free and subsidized by Nokia?
 

since nokia can't be arsed sorting out sat nav for n900. whilst giving it to all their other lower end phones?

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

No, because we want to encourage good programs for the N900 and we don't mind paying some money to get them.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

they could but they will lose a tone of cash each week. But would be nice to get free navigation apps hahah. i wouldn't mind to get free stuff. or pay a little but not too much.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

who of this forum hasnt downloaded it for free anyway? most have i'm pretty sure!?

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

Exactly!!! So why did you start this thread??? :-)

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

Well first I'd ask why you think the bundled map software isn't as good as what you were promised, key word promised. Nokia doesn't owe us anything other than what they promised, just because their other devices are getting free turn by turn or because your expectations for the N900 maps software was so high doesn't mean we're entitled to Sygic for free.

Then whatever your response is I'd just copy and paste one of my responses in another thread to a guy who asked the same question.

Something like this:
The N900 does have usable maps, you're just comparing it to amazing map applications. This is just another case of a user thinking he or she is entitled to more than they really are. I'm sorry certain features weren't up to your expectations, but Nokia doesn't owe us anything.




EDIT:
Wow now I'm sorry I wasn't more condescending in my post. You're going to pirate maemo software, software written for a small community like us, just like that? Do you realize how much this hurts the commmunity? Devs on the Apple App store can afford to look the other way because there are millions of people on the App store every day.
But then a smaller company releases navigation software for the N900 and you pirate it? Are you out of your mind?
This has to stop because it's putting a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

if people on here are pirating it and they read this
YOU should be ashamed of yourselves
all you are doing is discouraging other developers from releasing software for N900
they will probably just skip recompiling MeeGo software for maemo 5 b/c lack of security and pirates.
two big companies have released software on n900 both got pirated on day 1 them MeeGo apps not looking too good for n900 after all

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

Piracy is usually a sign of success; I wouldn't put it on my Public Enemy #1 list. But people SHOULD be ashamed that they don't want to support the very environment they depend on. It's not only shameful, it's dumb.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

because i havnt!

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

I might have misread statements by Nokia, but I do believe a usable map software was promised for N900. Of course, during marketing campaigns there's a lot of statements being passed and distorted in process, and that's sort of shame.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

I used the map software many times, so it must have been usable. Not great, but could be used.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

Short answer, no.

Sygic = teh suxXoRS

Whatever Nokia comes up with will be better (is already better). The Sygic app does not look good, it doesn't follow Maemo styling or guidelines for usage. They will also withdraw support for N900/Maemo 5 when Nokia get the native app to the level where the Symbian map app is.

Oh, and it's 'subsidized'.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

What? You can that?

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

Because you have yet to download it?

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

i think nokia should pay my line rental because i cant be bothered to pay.

maybe i should make a thread:rolleyes:

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

I think you are missing the point here. People buy expensive hardware on which Nokia advertised "ovi maps". When item arrives, there is some useless piece of crap which by some weird coincidence also is named "ovi maps". Of course, they want something they could use in replacement.

When you buy Mercedes and something is grossly broken there, it is a common practice that dealer would try to make good by giving you a free rental in replacement. Nobody is talking about having Nokia pay for something they were never supposed to provide. But they sure as hell advertise ovi maps specifically on N900.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

just a quick question. Did you use it like they use it here?

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

Um... My answer would be no. :)

As I posted in another thread...

As to your other question:

I haven't... And not because I'm a saint or because of the tenants of the even stranger little niche that benny1967 might belong to :p but, because I am familiar with the cracking process and the easy counter measures used to foil them.

Typically a "crack" is published when someone defeats the first method found in the software. Everyone on whatever "warez" site he belongs to pats him on the back and tells him what an outstanding "member" he is for this "gallant" (but usually simplistic) effort. He then moves on and applies his skills to other "challenges". :rolleyes:

I said the first method used by the original software producer but not all the methods that may have been engineered into it. I don't want to be using an application that unexpectedly "hangs" or "crashes" sometime after I opened it. Particularly one that I am relying on for something as critical as which direction to go in my car for gas (petrol) when the car's gage reads empty. :eek:

If I'm using the app for a long trip, I also don't want to have to stop mid way and re-enter all the information I had to when I first planned the trip. That kind of defeats the purpose of using the dang app in the first place.

Sure some may know some member named "crackzilla" or some such on a warez site with "mad skillz. yo", but by the time he gets to patching this "small" problem, you are left with a brilliant piece of work that is already 3 versions old and can not be upgraded to a more useful one. :p

"Release early, release often" has some advantages here. ;)

When it is all said and done the 39 to 59 euros you may have saved is not worth it.

In the case of Sygic I believe we as a community should embrace it and applaud the openness that it's producers have provided with regards to its configuration. Our efforts could be better spent developing companion software that helps manage POI's or to edit skins, etc. Plug ins to launch and control other apps from within this program might also be community developed...


Whatever Nokia does in the future may not be relevant. We have something now that works and you can either get on board and use it, or wait for a possible free alternative from Nokia... it won't hurt my feelings any, which ever way you decide to go.

If however, you are instead waiting for a free alternative provided by some dude named "crackzilla" on an underground "Warez" site... well, IMHO, you might get better results using some of the methods benny1967 posted about in the thread I referred to in the beginning of this post. :D

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

ok lets say nokia should, what now?

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

Well: obviously Nokia is incapable or unwilling to develop functional navigation software for N900 in-house anytime soon. I would say, if they care about their customers, they should provide N900 users with a free copy of sygig, or another usable navigation software.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

Why is this obviously? Nokia are pushing forwards with QT which they say will allow for cross platform deployment. Would you rather they dropped this approach and developed a version for the N900? I for one would prefer they focused on software which can be deployed across multiple devices as this will guarantee the future of the software...

I dont think Nokia should subsidize sygic, you are free to purchase any software you want if you want to buy it. That fact that Sygic is available for sale is great! Not everything should be free... While I am dissapointed in Ovi Maps 1 (I used Ovi Maps 3 on symbian previously) on the N900 it is functional and is better than nothing and it actually works pretty well!

I would rather have as many 3rd party developers writing software for devices and the only way you are going to get developers interested and working is with a revenue stream, you dont get that by giving stuff away, subsidy or not!

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

Let me restate what I said in another thread: N900 is an expensive phone. One of the reasons I purchased it was because Nokia was giving away free Ovi Maps, working offline, with international maps, all that "free forever" bullcrap, and N900 had Ovi Maps. I may not have done exhaustive research on that matter, but nevertheless I feel that Nokia took me for a ride here. For what it's worth, they might have as well put a link to google and called it "ovi maps".

I keep hearing this "We will get same Ovi maps for N900" bullcrap from their PR idiots for months already. If I haven't kept hearing this crap, I would have returned device back and enjoyed my money instead of bi##ing here. They said they will do it - go on, deliver. I don't care how. And why in the world are you asking me to make decisions for them? I wasn't the one putting out clips on youtube about how well Ovi Maps work.

Yea, beautiful, now you are making decisions for Nokia. Why don't you leave them alone, they seem to have some management left out there, let them make their own decisions. All I want from them is deliver functional navigation system, which works at least approximately the way their youtube commercial depicts.

Neither I do, I never said they must subsidize sygic. Whatever they can do to deliver functional navigation now is fine with me. Maybe the best solution is to pull out a whip, and get their dev manager focus on delivering software. Maybe best to pay sygic. Maybe best to hire me, so that I write it for them - I DON'T KNOW. All I know is I payed crapload of money for device with super gay navigation and it pisses me off

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

If you are not happy, and you find the navigation a deal breaker, sell your N900 and get whatever you think will suit you, or buy the Sygic app. Whining and moaning won't get you anywhere, and certainly won't get you that god-damn important navigation.

And I see no difference between the Ovi Maps on my ex N95 and on the N900. There are several things missing, yes, but nothing crucial. Now if you expected turn-by-turn, voice navigation, that's your problem. It was never mentioned in any N900 ad or specs sheet, and it wasn't even free on those several lucky devices 'til a month ago. It wasn't even mentioned when they released free navigation, so what made you think it should be available on the N900? If somebody lied to you - you lied to yourself.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

Ovi maps is functional, you just have delusions of being promised something you never were.

Nokia doesn't owe us anything it hasn't promised us in some way. Was the N900 advertised as having turn by turn? No? Then your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on!

Re: [Maemo 5] Should Sygic be free and subsidized by Nokia?
 

only thing i dislike is the gps seems to be inaccurate... a block sometimes a few bloccks off. maybe its because im using wifi?

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

I very well might, and I also might not buy Nokia anymore if this is how they prefer to handle it.

Oh yea? You also don't see difference between Ovi Maps on your ex N95 and this, do you?

That surely is, I thought Nokia one of those companies which would not mislead customers, and I was wrong. I should have double-checked Nokia's advertisements, which I definitely will do from now on. Or, maybe, switch to some other vendor, one which only advertises features they actually have.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

I don't prefer anything, I couldn't care less what will you do. I don't work for Nokia, I have no Nokia stocks, I don't live in Finland, so whether you'll buy Nokia devices or not is the least of my concerns. Whatever you choose, I won't loose anything. You on the other hand will - they do make some of the best mobile devices out there, whether you'd like to admit it or not.

My N95 has also Ovi Maps, and nothing said on that video applies to it. Actually, since Nokia bought Navteq and created the Ovi Maps I lost maps for my country, and that WAS an advertised function. There was no mention that both N900 and N95 will ever get free turn-by-turn navigation, nor was it ever promised. Out of all devices featuring Nokia/Ovi Maps only a dozen got that, as a privilege, not as a promised feature. For f. sake, N900 was released three months prior to Nokia releasing free turn-by-turn navigation, how could anyone be mislead by that. Go to the N900 product page and tell me where does it say 'featuring free turn-by-turn navigation and voice guidance' and I'll refund your N900.

If somebody misleaded someone, you did that to yourself. Go, switch to some other vendor, see if I could care less.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

What was advertised that you aren't receiving?

I know free turn by turn was never advertised.

This has to be a troll.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

As I said before, and I will repeat again for you (since you were nice enough to call me troll), and I will not repeat it anymore:

- Ovi maps were advertised for nokia smartphones
- N900 has "ovi maps" preloaded with no mentioning that this thing is just one level above command line, cannot really be used to replace actual GPS.

This to me constitutes false advertising. Not to you obviously, and not to Nokia, since they got fineprint where needed. Nevertheless, as you can see, I don't like being handled this way, and I feel being cheated. As someone noticed here already, if your device comes with microsoft word, it better not come with notepad having "microsoft word" in Help\About.

of course, go ahead, take a cheap shot

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

you should have read better. Then you would have noticed that N900 has Ovi Maps. N95 has ovi maps too, but unfortunately it is called "Maps 2.0"

http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/produ.../nokia-n95-8gb


and it has been well known that there was no voice guidance promised to n900 from nokia. only route planning.

e: a bit like ms works vs ms office. one could think that those are similar because those have about similar functions.

Re: [Maemo 5] Should Sygic be free and subsidized by Nokia?
 

I think if Nokia bought Sygic, it would be like simply buying out their competition. Not very smooth. In addition tos this, they would be undermining their own brand of Ovi Maps. And still in addition, the folks working on Ovi Maps might feel like ikts a slap in their faces as well. If Nokia saw that it had resources, it surely would make their Maps team do an accurate port with full functionality over to Maemo 5.

Also that point about allowing there to be quality apps for Maemo and us showing that we will pay for them is very healthy for the platform (and coming platforms) in general.

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

i havent!!!! is there a usa version out yet? if so... i wont be able to honestly make that same statement tomorrow. which ever way is fastest. i would rather just pay for it and be sure of what i get. but sometimes clicking download is faster than entering credit card info

Re: should sygig be free and subsidiced by nokia?
 

So if Google were to release a product with Google Maps, but the Google Maps on that device wasn't as functional as it is on the Nexus One, you'd say you've been a victim of false advertising?

What I'm trying to say here is Ovi Maps isn't explicitly defined as having certain features, and there isn't anything out there that says it has these features. It wasn't advertised as having turn by turn, poi's and whatever else you were expecting it to come with therefor you haven't been lied to or lead to believe anything. I'm not saying Nokia did this maliciously, I'm just saying you need to assume less. That way you won't buy a product and think you've been ripped off and then give Nokia bad press by complaining on the internet about their products.