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bazz 2010-03-31 23:47
First MeeGo Builds Available for Netbooks, Handhelds
 
Didnt see this posted yet....I think

So has anyone put it on the n900 yet?

http://jkontherun.com/2010/03/31/meego-build/

From the article
"The first MeeGo code drop just landed and I’m downloading it now for my netbook. There are three builds in the repository, each supporting different hardware platforms: Intel Atom netbooks, the ARM-powered Nokia N900 and Intel Atom handhelds on the Moorestown architecture."

christexaport 2010-03-31 23:52
Re: First MeeGo Builds Available for Netbooks, Handhelds
 
I don't know the differences, so pardon me. But would the Atom netbook builds be able to run on my budget desktop hardware, or does ATOM have inherent architectural differences that make it necessary? I assumed MeeGo would run on all x86 hardware, but what do I know?

craftyguy 2010-04-01 00:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 590617)
I don't know the differences, so pardon me. But would the Atom netbook builds be able to run on my budget desktop hardware, or does ATOM have inherent architectural differences that make it necessary? I assumed MeeGo would run on all x86 hardware, but what do I know?

The Atom builds most likely are built with Atom-specific compiler optimizations

bxbomber 2010-04-01 01:35
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my dad has an atom netbook, if he ever leaves it alone i'll install meego on it just to mess with him lol

Andy214 2010-04-01 01:46
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Is this why PR1.2 was delayed? Just a thought.

kamayoufabrice 2010-04-01 01:47
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Here is a tutorial on how to install Meego on the n900

http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_native_install_on_N900


This is the Terminal command that will do it.

sudo flasher-3.5 -f -k <kernel_image> -r <meego.ubiimg>


But I have a problem understanding this command.... what do i put for <kernel_image>

bonkel 2010-04-01 01:52
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.zImage is the kernel image

soleil 2010-04-01 01:55
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Any video of Meego on N900?

kamayoufabrice 2010-04-01 02:03
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I am going to try to install it now.
If it works, I will post a link to a video.

kamayoufabrice 2010-04-01 02:18
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didn't work at all

Did anyone successfully installed it?

Benson 2010-04-01 02:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 590617)
I don't know the differences, so pardon me. But would the Atom netbook builds be able to run on my budget desktop hardware, or does ATOM have inherent architectural differences that make it necessary? I assumed MeeGo would run on all x86 hardware, but what do I know?
Run, yes, probably. (While it's possible it's got Atom optimizations without fallbacks, I can't imagine actually doing it at this stage -- ability for more people to tinker with it would seem to trump the very slight performance edge.) But drivers might be missing for, e.g., video and network adapters; the Atom netbook platform is remarkably uniform in the wild, and presumably the Moorestowne devices (have any shipped? AFAIK only prototypes...) are even closer.

F2thaK 2010-04-01 03:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by anidel (Post 590257)
MeeGo is just a 'base' system that will be something that many platform will share in the near future.
The MeeGo that'll run on the N900 is based on this MeeGo that has been released today (fully open) with some additional closed source components and drivers that can't be released into the open due to licensing (as shame as that is).

They kept their word on what was about to be released.
If I read it correctly, the first MeeGo User Experience will be shown sometime in May.

Anyway.. this is the first day, the very first day and we're going to see how a fully blown system is going to be build almost from the very scratch.

Image this as a basic Ubuntu with no UI.. then on top of this we're going to get Xubuntu, Kubuntu and so on (i.e. the Ubuntu User Experiences).

This is what we've got today.
The MeeGo foundation. The first blocks.
read this before doing anything

gryedouge 2010-04-01 03:46
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Watch out or this could happen...

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48914

buurmas 2010-04-01 04:22
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That blog post mentioned that MeeGo booted to a terminal. There was no "User Experience" layer... i.e., no Harmattan. This is only for hackers.

qgil 2010-04-01 04:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy214 (Post 590686)
Is this why PR1.2 was delayed? Just a thought.
The Nokia schedules for Maemo 5 releases are totally independent from the MeeGo project schedules.

acou 2010-04-01 04:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by qgil (Post 590776)
The Nokia schedules for Maemo 5 releases are totally independent from the MeeGo project schedules.
From a Meego point of view. But i remember the last update "magically" appearing shortly after the Meego announcement, in order to distract and psychologically sedate the angry and confused mob. I found this procedure utterly disgusting and unethical. There have been quite some moments where Nokian business chess bs was executed, so i don't take your word for it.

Benson 2010-04-01 05:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by acou (Post 590792)
From a Meego point of view. But i remember the last update "magically" appearing shortly after the Meego announcement, in order to distract and psychologically sedate the angry and confused mob. I found this procedure utterly disgusting and unethical. There have been quite some moments where Nokian business chess bs was executed, so i don't take your word for it.
If you had any evidence to back that up, I imagine you'd have posted it, so I'm inclined to take that as the baseless rant it looks like.

But even presuming you're right about the previous update... at least there was an announcement about the future of Maemo at that point to generate an "angry and confused mob". Are you really claiming N[789]x0 users (other than yourself) are such a vicious demented zombie-horde as to be re-angered and re-confused by the release of MeeGo images, even though it brings no real change in the status of either Maemo 5 or MeeGo?

acou 2010-04-01 05:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson (Post 590798)
If you had any evidence to back that up, I imagine you'd have posted it, so I'm inclined to take that as the baseless rant it looks like.

But even presuming you're right about the previous update... at least there was an announcement about the future of Maemo at that point to generate an "angry and confused mob". Are you really claiming N[789]x0 users (other than yourself) are such a vicious demented zombie-horde as to be re-angered and re-confused by the release of MeeGo images, even though it brings no real change in the status of either Maemo 5 or MeeGo?
Reading between the lines seems to be hard for people who fetishize evidences, even for the most obvious tactical moves.

You're better off sticking to the explicit layer, i can see that now.

qgil 2010-04-01 22:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by acou (Post 590792)
so i don't take your word for it.
Up to you. :)

For clarity, MeeGo launch / releases and Maemo 5 updates are not related or conditioned to each other in any way. Both projects are doing their public steps independently as soon as they are ready to make them.

craftyguy 2010-04-02 01:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by acou (Post 590792)
From a Meego point of view. But i remember the last update "magically" appearing shortly after the Meego announcement, in order to distract and psychologically sedate the angry and confused mob. I found this procedure utterly disgusting and unethical. There have been quite some moments where Nokian business chess bs was executed, so i don't take your word for it.
I guess your position is obvious, but I would welcome ANY updates to Maemo 5 with open arms. Even if they were released after an announcement. So Nokia, when can we expect to see fixes pushed to us consumers that resolve issues that were marked as fixed in bugzilla almost 2mo ago?? ;)

(of course I'm not expecting a useful response to that question, lol)

TheBootroo 2010-04-09 12:46
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has anyone installed meego on N900 and started developping something in qt4.6 and see how it runs ?

sjgadsby 2010-04-09 13:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson (Post 590709)
(While it's possible it's got Atom optimizations without fallbacks, I can't imagine actually doing it at this stage -- ability for more people to tinker with it would seem to trump the very slight performance edge.)
Across-the-board, MeeGo requires OpenGL/OpenGL ES acceleration, and MeeGo x86 has a minimum system requirement of a Core2Duo processor. More specifically, MeeGo x86 requires Supplemental Streaming SIMD Extensions 3 (SSSE3). x87 support is dead and buried with system developers dancing on its grave.

The Wikipedia link above contains a list of x86 processors that support SSSE3--and therefore, MeeGo. AMD fans, it seems, should be looking at other Linux distributions.

johnel 2010-04-09 13:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 602761)
Across-the-board, MeeGo requires OpenGL/OpenGL ES acceleration, and MeeGo x86 has a minimum system requirement of a Core2Duo processor. More specifically, MeeGo x86 requires Supplemental Streaming SIMD Extensions 3 (SSSE3). x87 support is dead and buried with system developers dancing on its grave.

The Wikipedia link above contains a list of x86 processors that support SSSE3--and therefore, MeeGo. AMD fans, it seems, should be looking at other Linux distributions.
Would a rebuild/recompile of MeeGo on x86 not work then?

sjgadsby 2010-04-09 13:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnel (Post 602766)
Would a rebuild/recompile of MeeGo on x86 not work then?
As I understand it, using the build service to create a version of MeeGo without the SSSE3 requirement should be reasonably straightforward. In fact, I believe a few Moblin Meego developers have encouraged those who inquired about the possibility to go ahead and try it.

MeeGo system developers simply warn that compiling for older, non-SSSE3 hardware will create an operating system that is unbearably slow on netbooks. Also, as the core MeeGo developers are quite firm on the SSSE3 requirement, I'm not certain how interested they are in receiving patches for, say, x87 fixes and tweaks.

drm 2010-04-09 13:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by qgil (Post 590776)
The Nokia schedules for Maemo 5 releases are totally independent from the MeeGo project schedules.
Hey Quim,
Do you know when the first version of meego for the n900 would be available. One with a working UI?

qgil 2010-04-12 06:19
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The first release of MeeGo is planned to be released in May.

johnel 2010-04-14 10:05
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I am very excited. My birthday is in May and I get to play with MeeGo v1.00.

Just two questions:

(1) Can I assume we will still have the rootfs limitation (e.g. optifying packages)?
(2) How compatible will the current maemo packages be with MeeGo?

quax88 2010-04-15 22:47
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is there any step by step introduction gettin meego 1.0 working on an intel atom netbook, got one of a friend at the mom, want to play little bit 'round it :D downloaded the files from the meego site.. next step?

greetings & thx

daemonfin 2010-04-15 23:29
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Meego 1.0 comes next month.


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