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SC00BY

2010-04-05 18:48

Sygic crashes after overclock !

Overclocked my N900 to 800mhz, and all was good - or so I thought.
Noticed that Picodrive and Angry Birds was stuttering slightly.
Then ran Sygic Mobile Maps up and it now crashes everytime I get a lock (i.e. map changes to navigate colours).

Was on latest UK Black firmware, and flashed back to 'stock' 600mhz speed - still same three problems.

Decided to do a fresh install so followed instructions but flashed the latest 'Global' firmware - still have same three problems.

After searching the forum/s, seem to be on my own with this problem - so wondered if flashing the eMMC would help before a fresh install of firmware.
Problem is I see When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image first, then the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two!, but no other download or process to follow to do this - am I missing something really obvious ?

Any help/guidance would be greatly appreciated, or any other thoughts / suggestions as to why I now get the above three problems ?

Megaltariak

2010-04-05 18:54

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

I think that the problem is the Sygic files. Reinstall them should fix it.

olighak

2010-04-05 19:26

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC00BY (Post 596646)

Mine doesn´t crash so this is not universal. I´ve got the 900 overclock running.

SC00BY

2010-04-05 19:30

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by olighak (Post 596712)

Mine doesn´t crash so this is not universal. I´ve got the 900 overclock running.

I appreciate that, and it is why I said After searching the forum/s, seem to be on my own with this problem and Any help/guidance would be greatly appreciated, or any other thoughts / suggestions as to why I now get the above three problems ?

I'm not knocking the overclock or the Sygic software, obviously I've got a bit of a unique problem, and just asking if anyone can help ;)

MohammadAG

2010-04-05 19:31

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

I tried Sygic on my N900 (long before the oc btw) and it just gives me Segmentation fault. Try reinstalling Sygic before reflashing the eMMC.
First reflash the eMMC (VANILLA image) then the firmware, I'll edit the wiki.

Code:

flasher -F vanillaimage.bin -f

#Wait till it finishes, then...

flasher -F FIASCOimage.bin -f -R

hqh	2010-04-05 19:32

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by olighak (Post 596712)

Mine doesn´t crash so this is not universal. I´ve got the 900 overclock running.

When it comes to overclocking, every device is an individual. File system corruption could very well be one of the signs of too high clock frequency.

SC00BY

2010-04-05 19:34

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megaltariak (Post 596659)

I think that the problem is the Sygic files. Reinstall them should fix it.

Thats the odd thing, I flashed the global firmware, and then reinstalled Sygic, but still get the same problem.

I think I need to flash the emmc (but thats where I'm coming unstuck), then flash firmware, then reinstall apps :confused:

Oh and before anyone asks, yes it is a genuine install of Sygic - bought and paid for :)

SC00BY

2010-04-05 19:38

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by MohammadAG (Post 596721)

Code:

flasher -F vanillaimage.bin -f

#Wait till it finishes, then...

flasher -F FIASCOimage.bin -f -R

Thanks Mohammad (I seem to be saying that a lot recently ;)), do you agree that the best course of action is:-

Flash eMMC / flash firmware / reinstall apps ?

And I'll check out the wiki later - did I thank you yet :confused:

MohammadAG

2010-04-05 19:50

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Just checked the wiki, someone changed and messed it up!
When the instructions were first added it was eMMC, then FIASCO, someone changed it to FIASCO then eMMC and kept the last line a (Having flashed the eMMC you should flash the FIASCO image) or something similar.
Contradictions removed, commands fixed (it had a -R which restarts the tablet after the reflash, this shouldn't be done), and the u key thing was made clearer (I hope)
imo, it doesn't matter which you reflash first, but don't boot up in between, I always reflash the eMMC then the FIASCO though.
Try reinstalling sygic then go for the reflash.
I'd purge sygic (to get rid of the settings) and reinstall it, since a normal reinstall keeps settings.

Code:

dpkg --purge mobile-maps

SC00BY

2010-04-05 20:53

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Okay, thanks to Mohammad and Meamo.org, I think I'm finally beginning to learn a bit about maemo / linux -Famous Last Words :eek::rolleyes:

Anyway, could'nt purge Sygic, but after a process of elimination purged it with

Code:

dpkg --purge Mobile-Maps-9

Re-installed Sygic but still shuts down, so learning but not there yet :(

I think the statement that has been stumping me was this
When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image. Do NOT boot up the device between the two!
So I've been looking for two files to install, and then the firmware.
Now I'm thinking that the FIASCO image is actually the firmware ?
If I'm right I think I need to hook up the phone in usb mode and then in x term use the following:-

Code:

flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f

Then after complete, and phone still in usb mode due to not ending the command with -R and again in x term use:-

Code:

flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R

If I'm right the phone should now reboot with:-
(1) Global firmware installed
(2) eMMC completely wiped
(3) Only data remaining on the phone will be on my Micro SDHC card

So in essence a completely reformatted phone in essence the same as a hard factory reset (*#7370#) on Symbian phones.

Phew !, If i'm right can someone confirm (and I'll run thru it), equally if i'm wrong can someone correct me (and if thats the case, I'll come back to it tomorrow :().

As always - any help/comments greatly appreciated :p

slender

2010-04-05 21:08

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by MohammadAG (Post 596746)

If you look history you will notice that its Marcell who edited:
http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?titl...action=history

http://maemo.org/profile/view/marcell/

Also if i go to Nokias firmware download page it says right besides Vanilla image:
"Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900
NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image!"

SO probably what he put there WAS correct but overall whole flash guide is in my opinion quite horrible. I could not even update my firmware when i followed it :|

We really should make something to that. It's just filled with notes and terminology that's not clear to all people.

.edit
Funny (or sad) thing is that after when i flashed my fiasco image my N900 booted up automatically.

MohammadAG

2010-04-05 21:11

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC00BY (Post 596839)

Code:

dpkg --purge Mobile-Maps-9

Re-installed Sygic but still shuts down, so learning but not there yet :(

Never knew they called it Mobile-Maps-9, sorry about that

I think the statement that has been stumping me was this
When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image. Do NOT boot up the device between the two!
So I've been looking for two files to install, and then the firmware.
Now I'm thinking that the FIASCO image is actually the firmware ?
Right, the Vanilla one is the eMMC, the COMBINED one is the firmware
If I'm right I think I need to hook up the phone in usb mode and then in x term use the following:-

Code:

flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f

Yep, you're right, that flashes the eMMC without rebooting the device.

Then after complete, and phone still in usb mode due to not ending the command with -R and again in x term use:-

Code:

flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R

In windows it's called Command Prompt, aka CMD, but that doesn't matter, you got the point ;)

If I'm right the phone should now reboot with:-
(1) Global firmware installed Correct
(2) eMMC completely wiped Correct
(3) Only data remaining on the phone will be on my Micro SDHC card And correct

So in essence a completely reformatted phone in essence the same as a hard factory reset (*#7370#) on Symbian phones.

*#7370# with a mass memory format.

Phew !, If i'm right can someone confirm (and I'll run thru it), equally if i'm wrong can someone correct me (and if thats the case, I'll come back to it tomorrow :().

You were right on all points

As always - any help/comments greatly appreciated :p

Comments in black, if you're in a hurry, you were right on all, it's like a *#7370# with a mass memory format.
You can try one more thing, flash the firmware first, boot up normally, set up everything, install rootsh open terminal then (as root):

Code:

rm -rf /opt

Code:

umount /dev/mmcblk0p1

To make sure this worked open file manager, Nokia N900 should be empty/unmounted.

Code:

rm -rf /home/user/.*

I'd suggest backing up MyDocs before doing this, the unmount should prevent anything from being deleted, but you never know what happens
After the steps above reflash the firmware again to restore stuff that shouldn't have been deleted from /home/user
Try Sygic again, if it doesn't work, an eMMC reflash is your only hope.
Again, backup everything, MyDocs shouldn't be deleted using the steps above, but better be safe than sorry :)
Your settings will be deleted.

YoDude

2010-04-05 21:14

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC00BY (Post 596839)

Okay, thanks to Mohammad and Meamo.org, I think I'm finally beginning to learn a bit about maemo / linux -Famous Last Words :eek::rolleyes:...

...So in essence a completely reformatted phone in essence the same as a hard factory reset (*#7370#) on Symbian phones.

Phew !, If i'm right can someone confirm (and I'll run thru it), equally if i'm wrong can someone correct me (and if thats the case, I'll come back to it tomorrow :().

As always - any help/comments greatly appreciated :p

You are correct sir. I was just looking at this article today and I hope it helps >> http://maemocentral.com/2010/02/05/h...factory-state/

MohammadAG

2010-04-05 21:16

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 596854)

Well it doesn't matter which one you flash first, flashing the eMMC first then the FIASCO works well (the opposite didn't when I first got the phone).
The eMMC reflash had -R at the end, which reboots the phone (as noted in my previous post - the one you quoted), I removed the -R to make it not reboot.
I'm not sure what's with all the inconsistency, I'm also not sure who edited the tablets site but the editor could've looked at the wiki and moved what was a warning there to the tablets site, I can rewrite that wiki section if you want, but please can you test if the eMMC first then FIASCO works?

Edit: well just looked at the history and it says

Quote:

(Warning for eMMC flashing order added. Will be very important for PR1.2 onwards)

It doesn't really matter now (unless Nokia release PR1.2 right now), I'll rewrite the wiki.

YoDude

2010-04-05 21:20

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by olighak (Post 596712)

Mine doesn´t crash so this is not universal. I´ve got the 900 overclock running.

While Scooby does a Scoobyflash can I ask if you have seen a speed-up in Sygic. Particularly with regard to POI's icons appearing sooner on a route map while motoring along. :)

SC00BY

2010-04-05 21:21

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Mohammad, cheers mate - glad that this stuff is sinking in, and actually makes me want to actively learn more now :eek:

Thanks for your help and encouragement here and over at users.

Slender, you're quite right

Quote:

but overall whole flash guide is in my opinion quite horrible

- its fine for someone who is fairly techie, or needs a reminder - but, for someone like me trying to learn on the fly, it is actually a little unclear and possibly misleading.

And before anyone starts shouting at me, thats not a critiscism, merely an observation to hopefully get it improved - anything that makes learning easier, is obviously going to encourage more active users - and thats got to be a good thing ;)

Thanks again everyone :cool:

slender

2010-04-05 21:26

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC00BY (Post 596878)

Slender, you're quite right - its fine for someone who is fairly techie, or needs a reminder - but, for someone like me trying to learn on the fly, it is actually a little unclear and possibly misleading.

And before anyone starts shouting at me, thats not a critiscism, merely an observation to hopefully get it improved - anything that makes learning easier, is obviously going to encourage more active users - and thats got to be a good thing ;)

Exactly. Actually i have rewritten barebones version on my own an lets see if i manage to get it in some shape. I think that first of all N900 needs completely different page. Too much information is too much. I have read Nokias own guide and try to adapt that same way of doing it. Not much text. Easy to follow. Troubleshooting on seperate section. I´m trying to find n900 sketch images but only ones i could find are in n900 user guide from nokia.

ceroberts75

2010-04-05 21:29

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

still works fine for me.

MohammadAG

2010-04-05 21:29

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 596886)

If you want I'll help, I already started writing one, you don't need sketches, good photos can help :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceroberts75 (Post 596891)

still works fine for me.

Yes it seems to have been updated for PR1.2, which hasn't been released (yet)

slender

2010-04-05 21:29

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by MohammadAG (Post 596869)

It doesn't really matter now (unless Nokia release PR1.2 right now), I'll rewrite the wiki.

And you also probably noticed from my another link that Marcell is Nokia employee.

You do not have to rewrite it if you leave it as Marcell edited it. Except he left there inconsistent stuff. Argh..Dunno. I will do my own version and post it to you. Let´s say in week.

slender

2010-04-05 21:31

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by MohammadAG (Post 596894)

If you want I'll help, I already started writing one, you don't need sketches, good photos can help :)

Nice. Sketches (or what is the correct word for them?) what you can find in nokias own guide are JUST perfect. Real images give you "too much information" and they do not fit in guide.

Maybe i should post my current version somewhere in wiki as sandbox.

MohammadAG

2010-04-05 21:34

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 596895)

I kinda got that without looking at the link, after all no one has PR1.2 to say the order changed (except Nokia employees), if you want I'll submit mine when I finish it here.

Edit: reverted wiki and edited it, it follows Marcell's way of flashing but I noted that you have to remove -R and removed the line that says You should now update your firmware.
I'll try to get some sketches.

SC00BY

2010-04-05 22:06

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

:):):):)All done - and Sygic working :):):):)

I intend to come back to this and try overclocking again with a fresh system, As I now know that I can flash firmware, eMMC and reinstall Sygic in 5-10 mins :cool:

Happy ending for me - and I've learned some usefull stuff along the way, but I sense I kicked something off for you guys ?
Was'nt my intention to cause any problems, so I hope everything is cool ?

Gonna get some sleep now, been a long day !
Thanks again guys ;):p

geneven

2010-04-05 22:17

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Sygic seems faster to me (I'm at 800 mhz).

I noticed the flashing guide seemed to contradict itself, but I didn't want to get the reputation of being the wrong sort, so I didn't mention it. I'm glad some other people noticed.

MohammadAG

2010-04-05 22:34

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC00BY (Post 596940)

Great to see the it worked mate :)

Nah you didn't kick off anything lol, I noticed the wiki a long time ago but it was asked about TWICE today, so I decided to edit it. Thanks go to slender for hinting out why it was edited.
For some reason I think Nokia wanted to release PR1.2 but they might have realized something, the wiki edit shouldn't have been done before the firmware was released, but I'm not here to tell other people's jobs, especially Nokia employees :)
Fixed the contradictions in the wiki, hopefully everyone's happy now :)

jsomby

2010-04-06 07:23

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 596950)

Sygic seems faster to me (I'm at 800 mhz).

So you're faster in the place you we're driving or it gives just orders much quicker (you must go faster to keep up the sygic?)? :D:cool:

EDIT: I'm only joking if somebody doesnt get it :D:p

coleni25

2010-04-23 19:04

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 596854)

We really should make something to that. It's just filled with notes and terminology that's not clear to all people.

.edit
Funny (or sad) thing is that after when i flashed my fiasco image my N900 booted up automatically.

I fully agree with that : as a new user, it's totally confusing for me.
"Flash always the FIASCO image first" doesn't mean anything for me because no explanation about what a FIASCO image really is.

And I just have to add that I have been working on various operating systems (OS370, Pick systems, Unix/Linux systems, Microsoft Windows) for quite 40 years now.

Please, when talking about critical operations like flashing or restoring systems to non expert people, be totally clear and exhaustive. Thanks a lot in advance.

tigenz

2011-06-23 10:51

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

weird.. mine mobile maps 10 crashes too but if i change language to english(us) then it works well :D

sophocha

2011-06-23 10:56

Re: Sygic crashes after overclock !

the only time I`ve noticed sygic crashing is when I`ve enabled smartflex last week.I had the phone @ 1000 for a year now with no crashes.

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