Steve Jobs says 3rd party multi-tasking good
 

Decides to put it in next iPhone OS. Probably available to me (a dev) very soon.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/l...ne-os-4-event/

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Yeah, I'm wondering what the other 5 features will be. The other (besides multitasking) was bluetooth keyboard support. I've had trouble getting that (and mouse) support on the n900. It seems like there are a bunch of apps that each want to control the bluetooth config file completely. What a mess.

I develop for a variety of platforms (including iPhone) as a hobby... it still sucks that it's not true multitasking--you have to use "background-specific" APIs. Which is kinda what Android does, too, with their app lifecycle.

Wooboy. Can't wait for the major features of Maemo5 1.2...

EDIT: now VOIP. Sigh... now the n900 is losing a lot of its feature advantage...

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I think what Apple is doing right now is awesome. It is needed to push the competitors even more in the ***. And imagine Microsoft now with their Windows Phone 7!!!!!!! :D lol

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ohh yes multitasking was one of the major reasons for me to buy the n900 now there are not much really good arguments for the N900 beside the open source.

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Hmm. I´m just watching this and i have to admit that this is exactly what i expected :) Fck they are good.

And some people are yelling always about walled gardens and they forgot that companies have always option to go out from those. For example here Apple has opened quite many new APIs to their own applications (calendar etc.). Probably because of competition but still.

Only reason to keep using this device is Open source and potential :|

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It still has the advantage of not being completely closed. I suppose if you can tell yourself "oh, I can live with paying hundreds for a device Apple still owns" and believe it, then I suppose the iPhone is the device for you.

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the folders are also usefull you are able to bring in your own organized structure like on a pc well my structure on pc is following the chaos theory but .. you could do ;)

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its not real multitasking its just basicly what they've had all along but they have added a little task switcher with icon, the only thing i've heard that really multi tasks it will play audio in background for certain apps
fast app switching. It's what allows applications to save its state and stop running, and then restart instantly where you left it.

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Their multitasking implementation is ridiculous compared to Maemo's.

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but when they talked about the app for uploading pics to flickr for example the upload goes on so there have to be 2 real threads for the applications one for flickr app and one for the other opend app?

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And I think Open Source is really the main advantage and something people should be happy to have.
And something Apple will never understand.

Only shame is that many people don't get it as well :(

What Steve's showing is only smoke, smoke that hides the truth (walled garden, pay for everything, shortcomings and so on)

Aniello

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Like I said... more like Android's lifecycle model (in addition to some other services like audio and location).

So everyone is glad for competition now... so can Nokia please give us a REAL email client and not this Modest p.o.c.

Unified inbox, multiple exchange accounts, OFFLINE USE, etc.

Quothe the Nokia: %*@#$.

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I mean this is the live from Endgadget:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/l...ne-os-4-event/

Just scroll up & down quite fast.. what'd you see?

Numbers.

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Every new phone that comes out runs out of stock quite fast as you never make many of them.

When it happened to N900 people complained.

See what he's saying about the iPad "I'm told Best Buy is out of stock... we're making them as fast as we can. We can't make enough of them... so we'll have to try harder".

You get it?
Now it's not that there are not enough devices! It's becuase people ARE GOING CRAZY about it!
This is how he turned the truth in something that it is not!

Should we also say that people went crazy for the N900 as well as you Nokia ran out of stock as well?
Or for so many phones out there?

Come on...

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I've had an iPhone, and I currently use an n900. I love the MOSTLY open sourceness of the n900, but I think it's time that the open source zealots start asking a little more from Nokia. Reasonable?

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i like how they tried to project there US mobile browser market share in a way it would make people think it was there device market share.
nice way to trick the nobs

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Think thats fair to say :cool:

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True, this TECHNIQUE is "old skool", it has been available since the early Nokia Symbian devices.

What they have is few specific services for true multi-tasking ability (actually still running), which is also available for Symbian, the calls still works, the music player is part of the services, etc.

Their reason for only allowing specific services is to controlled usage, to control the battery and processing (so, users won't open too much app, thus affecting their slickness/smoothness of the phone).

But the "task switcher" concept is just exactly like Symbian and Windows Mobile. It's nothing new, in fact, it's very old concept; somehow this isn't like Apple, would expect them to come up something unique. But I guess, it's better than nothing for the iPhone users, at least now they have official "backgrounder" built in.

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I got what I wanted from Nokia. If Nokia wants to compete with Apple, that's on them. So long as they don't take Apple's lead and try to claim ownership of a device I buy and make moves to stay open (like they're doing with MeeGo) then I'll probably continue to buy from them.

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Yeah, I read that as manufactured demand.

"blah blah blah iPad blah blah!"
translation: PLEASE convince yourself to buy one.

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And can you receive Skype IMs while in "background" ? :)

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maybe over the push notifications i guess this should be possible to receive them you can read it and the switch back to skype i think ...

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3rd party multi-tasking plus local Push servers is a huge step for this OS. This unlocks some serious handcuffs.

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Unless we see a gargantuan shift in marketable battery technology, I think this type of 'multitasking' actually has an advantage for handheld devices.

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they introduce html5 as replacement for flash too. does anybody know if html5 is still experimental or are the "api" now useable for anybody?

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The draft has not been finalized, I believe.

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What I like is that they said PSP and DS were their main competitors in the game market.....and that they blow them out of the water.
Its two completely different kettle of fish lol.....

Apple are up to the old tricks of adding things in that everyone else has had for a while then saying "We can do it better, for 4x the price"

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Oh, did Steve Jobs just fuxkd us all?

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now i would like to know about the other 93 new user features *lough*

they bring the new os for the 3gs and touch 3gen ... for 3g and touch 2 gen without multitasking hmmm...

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This "state-based multitasking" isn't new, either. While I won't claim Nokia was the first, the N800 and N810 provided the ability for applications to save their state to disk via the libosso API and be suspended when the available memory was low. Unfortunately, I believe the only third-party app to do this was Xarchiver...

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Sure it is!

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They glossed over this "task completion" stuff. If this is generic enough, I can do plenty of damage here.

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yes maybe a backround running trojan or this is a new door for a comming jail break the little nasty jailbreak agent runs then in backround hehe

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Who cares who was first? I don't know single person from my friends who really knew what symbian multitasking means. They have/had 10 programs always open. It doesn't meant anything when you claim to be first. All what matters is implementation. Taking things gradually with crippled multitasking on iphones hardware is imho just good way to keep customers happy. If customers phone is frozen by 3rd party application i would say that average joe users says immediately "This phone is ****" without caring anything about program or any lower level stuff what's going on.

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Okay, all for not, they're locking out my iPod touch 2G from multi-tasking. F*ck, sh*t, c*ck, p*ss.

Nothing to see here. :)

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So can the new "multitasking" handle to browser windows? If yes, how to I reconize them from each other when they in the "application bar" only are visible with the same icon?

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i just read that, i think i will jailbreak and impliment one of the modders solutions

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"The system actually runs the services apps need in the background -- the apps don't need to do them individually, so it's not a "true" multitasking system, but it seems plenty effective. There are seven services: background audio, which allows you to use the standard pop-over iPod controls, Voice over IP, which can receive calls in the background, location services for GPS and social networking (there's an indicator if any service is tracking you), updated push notifications with local notifications, task completion so you can finish things like uploads in the background, and fast app switching, which lets apps sleep and resume instantly. Notably missing? Anything for managing a conversation, like IM or Twitter, which is a big omission."

From engadget. And they say that it wont come to 3GS.

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It will be available on iPhone 3GS, Touch 3rd gen and iPad.

It won't be available on the original iPhone, iPhone 3G, Touch 1st and 2nd gen.

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I'm just going back to my regularly scheduled programming. My current iPhone OS device can't be used to test the limitations of these new features, so my short term interest has quickly gone to zero. Damn am I cheap! Maybe after the June 22nd announcement I can find a deal on a used low-end 3GS.