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ajflex 2010-04-15 13:27

we want meego 1.1 instead of maemo pr1.3 and please nokia support this for nokia n900
 
Nothing wrong with the name meego it's a combine of maemo and moblin it's more closer to maemo mae to mee mo to go.
No problem with meego os it look promising for n900.
Maemo pr 1.2 is the last for nokia n900 as for maemo 5.
Meego os with be on nokia n900 which is better why 2 in 1 more is alway better plus everything that wasn't possible is now flash 10.1 and more and more.
I am respecting that nokia will make this opportunity don't past them bye n900 is the perfect platform for meego os with its hardware and capabilities functionality.

Ronaldo 2010-04-15 13:29

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nokia is going to do this because your started a thread for it.:rolleyes:

ajflex 2010-04-15 13:30

Re: we want meego 1.1 instead of maemo pr1.3 and please nokia support this for nokia n900
 
it a look at this screenshoot
http://www.gsmarena.com/meego_featur...-news-1576.php

cryox92 2010-04-15 13:34

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Have you ever heard of paragraphs or even punctuation?

Dave999 2010-04-15 13:35

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i will not change to first meego device unless ovi store is up an running and have usefull apps and a few meego releases have been out on market for a while. i think maemo can live atleast two more years so please give us 1.3.

johnel 2010-04-15 13:36

Re: we want meego 1.1 instead of maemo pr1.3 and please nokia support this for nokia n900
 
maemo and MeeGo are on completely separate development paths.

MeeGo and maemo are independent of each other.

MeeGo is not the default operating system. Maemo is the default operating system.

The n900 is being used to develop MeeGo for the next generation of devices.

I suggest you search the forums for MeeGo-based posts and dare I say even Google too.

I suggest you use capital letters in your posts.

I suggest you use full-stops/periods in your posts.

I suggest spell -checking your posts too.

Capital letters usually help me find the start of a sentence and full-stops/periods usually tell me when a sentence finishes.

fpp 2010-04-15 13:37

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What is this "we want" ? How do *you* know what *I* want ?...

volt 2010-04-15 13:45

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Personally, I'd rather see a well rounded version of Maemo than a half done version of MeeGo. I don't expect a first usable version of the next OS to work better than a version 1.3 of the previous iteration.

MeeGo 1.3 on the other hand...

ajflex 2010-04-15 13:54

Re: we want meego 1.1 instead of maemo pr1.3 and please nokia support this for nokia n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fpp (Post 611847)
What is this "we want" ? How do *you* know what *I* want ?...

For nokia n900 this means more apps and more games more. check iphone apps site over ten thousand apps(10000).
Maemo os as it self have 252 apps & games together
it does make any sense we have a powerful platform, wasting time it not fear for us to suffer just because it open and free and nothing it's wrong with free apps.
But if meego os the developer will have more platform to for and a win win situation.
Listen i personel dont care other option.
I love my n900 and more apps and games is always better for a platform.

cryox92 2010-04-15 14:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ajflex (Post 611874)
For nokia n900 this means more apps and more games more. check iphone apps site over ten thousand apps(10000).
Maemo os as it self have 252 apps & games together
it does make any sense we have a powerful platform, wasting time it not fear for us to suffer just because it open and free and nothing it's wrong with free apps.
But if meego os the developer will have more platform to for and a win win situation.
Listen i personel dont care other option.
I love my n900 and more apps and games is always better for a platform.

True,there is lack of applications.But as for now i`d suggest you take the survey,wait till 1.2 shows up,then we`ll see how things are progressing.I wouldnt swap to MeeGo atm.

lucas777 2010-04-15 14:08

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cool story bro

efekt 2010-04-15 14:11

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Nokia: ok, we just waited for a post like this to start moving things, and now after you've said it we can begin.

philh 2010-04-15 14:20

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Please speak for yourself.

theflew 2010-04-15 14:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ajflex (Post 611874)
For nokia n900 this means more apps and more games more. check iphone apps site over ten thousand apps(10000).
Maemo os as it self have 252 apps & games together
it does make any sense we have a powerful platform, wasting time it not fear for us to suffer just because it open and free and nothing it's wrong with free apps.
But if meego os the developer will have more platform to for and a win win situation.
Listen i personel dont care other option.
I love my n900 and more apps and games is always better for a platform.

MeeGo apps if written in QT would run on Maemo 5.

shadowjk 2010-04-15 14:38

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I suspect if they aren't written in 15 you couldn't call them MeeGo apps

russo_br 2010-04-15 14:45

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I've been involved with this discussion as well and personally hope that Meego is supported by Nokia for the N900...

But there is another thread(s) about the same subject, please pay attention to the automatic search when creating new threads...

Admins, please merge this thread with the "Meego on N900" similar ones.

Kham 2010-04-15 14:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnel (Post 611841)
maemo and MeeGo are on completely separate development paths.

MeeGo and maemo are independent of each other.

MeeGo is not the default operating system. Maemo is the default operating system.

The n900 is being used to develop MeeGo for the next generation of devices.

I suggest you search the forums for MeeGo-based posts and dare I say even Google too.

I suggest you use capital letters in your posts.

I suggest you use full-stops/periods in your posts.

I suggest spell -checking your posts too.

Capital letters usually help me find the start of a sentence and full-stops/periods usually tell me when a sentence finishes.

Relax! Why trash someone for their lack of English grammatical efficiency? We all know that there is a multitude of international posters on this form. By the way, smart guy, during your verbal masturbation session you forgot to capitalize the first letter of your first sentence! Uhhhh ohhhhhhh...

Yours Truly,
Kham

ajflex 2010-04-15 14:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theflew (Post 611948)
MeeGo apps if written in QT would run on Maemo 5.

Maemo 5 os is good but time for changes for game apps and other stuff it's not happening.

Meego Os is far supreme over Maemo 5 Os.

Why as I said earlier in the post.

This is fact 252 apps to slow and many developer not developing for maemo 5.

Question to you
1. Is there a good car game that use graphic acc for maemo 5 answer no
2. Is there a any good frist person player game no
3 fighting game no
etc.
question
there is a issues the codec when playing videos and and double folder and file no matter what i cant fix


to slow for production
would it benefit we the customer who is supporting, i have been nokia support from the first symbian till now.

Symbian built also support 3rd party developer and other phone moto samsung sony ericsson and etc. look all the apps and game is for symbian over 4977 apps are there.
quote quote
Meego Os will put our n900 in the direction.

ajflex 2010-04-15 14:55

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Kham respect

Chrome 2010-04-15 15:20

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YOU MAD BRO? Actually I'm very satisfied with Maemo OS, so speak for yourself.

TRF-Inferno 2010-04-15 15:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ajflex (Post 611978)
Meego Os is far supreme over Maemo 5 Os.

Why as I said earlier in the post.

This is fact 252 apps to slow and many developer not developing for maemo 5.

Question to you
1. Is there a good car game that use graphic acc for maemo 5 answer no
2. Is there a any good frist person player game no
3 fighting game no
etc.
question
there is a issues the codec when playing videos and and double folder and file no matter what i cant fix.

So you think Maemo is automatically inferior to Meego because it doesn't have certain games that appeal to you? The video playback issue will be fixed in PR1.2 by the way.

christexaport 2010-04-15 15:59

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MeeGo and Maemo have the same app frameworks, so the same apps apply to both. I'm beginning to think the dummy level is rising fast for some reason.

Bratag 2010-04-15 16:03

Re: we want meego 1.1 instead of maemo pr1.3 and please nokia support this for nokia n900
 
Do you ever just want to grab people and shake them. I feel that way whenever another pointless thread appears containing.

a) "Goodbye N900 - I am going to phone XYZ" - ***** session to follow
b) "Nokia LISTEN TO UZ" - When this isnt a Nokia forum
c) "This phone sucks and is not what I thought it would be" - Despite the numerous reviews and threads here stating exactly what it was.
d) "How do I xyz" - Usually posted above a thread that says "Here is how you XYZ"
e) All of the above.

I weep for the future.

jackie_jagger 2010-04-15 16:14

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I think it would make more sense if Maemo PR1.3 comes and also at the same time users have an option to flash their phone to MeeGo 1.1, if the response for MeeGO from n900 users is good, PR1.4 could be replaced for MeeGo 1.1 !!

Just my two cents

mobiledivide 2010-04-15 16:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 612107)
b) "Nokia LISTEN TO UZ" - When this isnt a Nokia forum

I weep for the future.

This is the biggest misconception around here. The community concept is relatively autonomous from Nokia, they simply sponsor it.
The survey on maemo.nokia.com that has been stickied is probably the best way to complain directly to Nokia.

SubCore 2010-04-15 16:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ajflex (Post 611978)
Question to you
1. Is there a good car game that use graphic acc for maemo 5 answer no
2. Is there a any good frist person player game no
3 fighting game no

go get a PSP or GBA or something.
Meego won't suddenly give you dozens of 3D games.

you have really high hopes for Meego, i fear you'll be disappointed once it comes out.

btw, i'm pretty sure we'll see at least 2 more firmware updates for Maemo before Meego is consumer-ready.

kazuki 2010-04-15 17:23

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nokia is not even giving us pr 1.2, what make u think they'll give us anything meego related?

eikido 2010-04-15 17:34

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i just think that a finished meego is veeeery far away. i'm talking about MINIMUM 1 year

gryedouge 2010-04-15 17:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kazuki (Post 612235)
nokia is not even giving us pr 1.2, what make u think they'll give us anything meego related?

Agreed and what makes the whiney masses think that Meego will be better on it's first outing?

Lets just be patient and take things as they come. We will get there eventually. :rolleyes::D

This is, after all, a work in progress...

Laughing Man 2010-04-15 17:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ajflex (Post 611978)
Maemo 5 os is good but time for changes for game apps and other stuff it's not happening.

Meego Os is far supreme over Maemo 5 Os.

Why as I said earlier in the post.

This is fact 252 apps to slow and many developer not developing for maemo 5.

Question to you
1. Is there a good car game that use graphic acc for maemo 5 answer no
2. Is there a any good frist person player game no
3 fighting game no
etc.
question
there is a issues the codec when playing videos and and double folder and file no matter what i cant fix


to slow for production
would it benefit we the customer who is supporting, i have been nokia support from the first symbian till now.

Symbian built also support 3rd party developer and other phone moto samsung sony ericsson and etc. look all the apps and game is for symbian over 4977 apps are there.
quote quote
Meego Os will put our n900 in the direction.

Err.. so would QT Compatibility. QT compatibility = libraries are the same across the operating systems (Maemo/Meego/KDE/whatever). Thus any app that's written in QT 4.6 will work on any other device that runs QT 4.6. Of course if the program is written to use a Quad-Core processor obviously it would run terrible on a device that has lower specs.

If Meego didn't have QT compatbility it wouldn't result in any significant increase in games, 3rd programs, etc.. since Meego is spread so far among different devices (TVs, netbooks, phones, etc..etc..). Thus if it wasn't for QT compatibility you would just get a splintering effect with each Meego instance running its own apps and own libraries. What developer would want to build an app on that platform compared to say the iPhone OS, or Android.

The only benefit of running Meego on the N900 would be continual OS level bug fixes (not application compatibility since Maemo will be getting QT 4.6 with PR 1.2). But seeing as how Meego's first release will be 1.1 it'll probably be just as buggy as most first generation operating systems are.

NokTokDaddy 2010-04-15 17:48

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Check this breaking news out:

http://www.electronista.com/articles....large.screen/

I've started a thread for it here

If true, this surely changes the whole issue of Meego vs Maemo on the N900

tissot 2010-04-15 17:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by eikido (Post 612248)
i just think that a finished meego is veeeery far away. i'm talking about MINIMUM 1 year

This should be pointed more often in here.

First, Nokia's MeeGo is Harmattan, Harmattan is Maemo 6. I'm not saying Harmattan/MeeGo will be perfect from the start, but people shouldn't think that this Nokia's MeeGo is totally fresh start.
Harmattan was already introduced in 2008 and i honestly think it will be superior to Maemo 5 as far as loking from the user point of view.

Not directly to you eikido, but just to say it again that videos and pictures we have seen in these couple of days are from Intels Moblin/MeeGo and wont resemble Harmattan/MeeGo.

russo_br 2010-04-15 18:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 612263)
The only benefit of running Meego on the N900 would be continual OS level bug fixes (not application compatibility since Maemo will be getting QT 4.6 with PR 1.2).

Sorry, but this QT 4.6 speech is a great marketing argument... There is no warranty that a Developer will support both Meego and Maemo versions and the source code is exactly the same between both O.S.

I remember the cross-platform appeal at the announcement of JAVA language. Theoretically the same application would run on different platforms, but in real life there is always some restrictions, specially for more complex apps. I know QT 4.6 is different, but I wouldn't bet on seamlessly compatibility among all kind of devices.

Bratag 2010-04-15 18:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by russo_br (Post 612295)
Sorry, but this QT 4.6 speech is a great marketing argument... There is no warranty that a Developer will support both Meego and Maemo versions and the source code is exactly the same between both O.S.

I remember the cross-platform appeal at the announcement of JAVA language. Theoretically the same application would run on different platforms, but in real life there is always some restrictions, specially for more complex apps. I know QT 4.6 is different, but I wouldn't bet on seamlessly compatibility among all kind of devices.

Thats because you dont fully understand the joy that is coding in Qt. I have written a couple of apps. With a recompile I can run the exact same source on my Windows machine, my linux machine and my N900 (which I guess is a linux machine). Now granted if you are making specific calls to a hardware layer and that hardware isnt the same on all devices then yes you may have issues. But as far as portability of Qt code, then yes the source code IS the same between platforms. The only thing that changes is the compile flags.

russo_br 2010-04-15 19:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 612380)
Thats because you dont fully understand the joy that is coding in Qt.

You're right, I just did SW devel in the beginning of my career, so I never wrote any code in QT. But from my IT experience there is always a catch behind the speeches... I can be wrong about QT 4.6, and would be glad to admit if it happens. Just want to wait and see to believe it will really be a groundbreaking technology.

Laughing Man 2010-04-15 19:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by russo_br (Post 612295)
Sorry, but this QT 4.6 speech is a great marketing argument... There is no warranty that a Developer will support both Meego and Maemo versions and the source code is exactly the same between both O.S.

I remember the cross-platform appeal at the announcement of JAVA language. Theoretically the same application would run on different platforms, but in real life there is always some restrictions, specially for more complex apps. I know QT 4.6 is different, but I wouldn't bet on seamlessly compatibility among all kind of devices.

Then there's going be hell from a developer and a consumer standpoint when Meego is found on so many different devices and one app created in QT 4.6 in one Meego instance isn't compatible with another Meego device. And putting Meego on the N900 wouldn't have much of a net benefit from an application standpoint anyway.

Like I said, don't expect seamlessly compatible (e.g. my example of an app being coded for use on a Quad Core processor). If an app uses multi-touch in a capacitative function, well obviously that wouldn't work on a resistive touchscreen anyway. But if a developer creates an app that doesn't have any device or resource specific requirements (like in the examples) then an N900 (Maemo5 w/ QT 4.6) should be able to run the same app as any device running (Meego w/ QT 4.6). Granted there are exceptions to the rule (Android for example). Though part of their problem is the wide variation in what's supported in the operating system versions.

At the very least if Nokia has no plans to bring Meego to the N900 they should at least keep QT compatibility up to date.

Bratag 2010-04-15 20:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 612472)
Then there's going be hell from a developer and a consumer standpoint when Meego is found on so many different devices and one app created in QT 4.6 in one Meego instance isn't compatible with another Meego device. And putting Meego on the N900 wouldn't have much of a net benefit from an application standpoint anyway.

Like I said, don't expect seamlessly compatible (e.g. my example of an app being coded for use on a Quad Core processor). If an app uses multi-touch in a capacitative function, well obviously that wouldn't work on a resistive touchscreen anyway. But if a developer creates an app that doesn't have any device or resource specific requirements (like in the examples) then an N900 (Maemo5 w/ QT 4.6) should be able to run the same app as any device running (Meego w/ QT 4.6). Granted there are exceptions to the rule (Android for example). Though part of their problem is the wide variation in what's supported in the operating system versions.

At the very least if Nokia has no plans to bring Meego to the N900 they should at least keep QT compatibility up to date.

They are - 1.2 brings the latest release of Qt - it also incorporates it as part of the base OS instead of as an extra.

Laughing Man 2010-04-15 20:44

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I know Bratag, what I meant was in the future. E.g. if Meego gets QT 4.7, then Maemo should also get QT 4.7. For maybe 2-3 more years. =P

lwa 2010-04-15 22:09

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I'd much prefer pr1.3 than meego 1.1...

Realistically nobody really knows anything about Meego other than the bits of vague fluff at meego.com and everyones arguement is maemo is dead and the only way to get continual support is meego. If pr1.3 was coming out it would mean ongoing support so it is a mute point. The meego arguement is nothing more than the grass is greener on the other side.

Nokia could annouce they were making a new OS called...um.. Meblo tomorrow and within minutes the forum would be filled with crap about seculation if we are getting it, how much better the n900 would be if it had it, and how nokia doesnt care about us if we dont get it, even though these people know nothing about it except a vague description which is no different to maemos description and some nonsense name...

Bratag 2010-04-15 23:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 612574)
I know Bratag, what I meant was in the future. E.g. if Meego gets QT 4.7, then Maemo should also get QT 4.7. For maybe 2-3 more years. =P

Good point - but even should the abandon us. We can always compile the libs for the N900 and publish them via extras the way they are done now. Not ideal I know but its a solution.


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