Buyer beware: Nokia products and Maemo
 

a warning to all n900 buyers-before maemo 5 -which is the software on the n900 there was maemo 4 and the internet tablets n810 n800 and going back further the n770

one of the main selling points of the tablets was the gps function-wayfinder provided the maps but then last month wayfinder was closed down by vodafone and suddenly with no prior warning to tablet owners gps does not work-no support

their is a lesson here and it is simple one -there is no guarantee that nokia will stand by its products-

before you go and shell out hundreds of dollars for a product with maemo os -such as the n900 or the internet tablets bare in mind that the same thing can happen to you

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Ovi Maps on the N900 is total ****, anyway. I don't think there would be many that would shed a tear if it were to suddenly stop working...

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I don't think many will use Ovi Maps on the N900, at least not in the current state. Maybe it will be improved in PR1.2?

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lets stick to the original problem

maps not working on the n810

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a little confused... i am pretty sure that wayfinder not working anymore does not mean that the gps doesn't work. especially since the gps is not some 3rd party add on application. its built into the phone. right?

I got sygic and it works on my n900. that kinda means the gps works. unless vodaphone locked your tablet and disabled some of your features ie: gps i don't see how the gps is not working just because way finder isn't. cant you jhust get another way finder for yoru tablet?

curious about your original problem.. are you trying to fix vodaphone not offering way finder?

if so whats your angle of attact because my comcast cable acts up all the time and i would love to be able to fix that. PLUS.. my government here seems to be broke. i would like to fix that also. I guess what i am saying is how can you a end user persuade a whole company to do your bidding? i think a feasible solution is to simply get another nav application. prob solved

just out of curiousity... is way finder a nokia application? or some other 3rd party deal?

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Got to agree on this one because Nokia has not made any statement whatsoever direct to us regarding the future of the N900, everything said on this forum is pure speculation at the moment, Nokia not giving out anything to us owners of the N900 is a sure sign of them dumping us altogether. IF they do then it can only come under the law of false advertising surely ?
Starting to get very serious now.

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 

What false advertising?

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Could the OP elaborate what exactly the problem with the maps-app on N810 is?
IIRC the Maps are all stored on the device and GPS is monodirectional, so i don't see how the shutting down of wayfinder could should render the already installed maps useless?

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I don't know why people say ovi maps is ****, I use it to get places.

Then again I wasn't spoiled by google maps like most of you probably were.

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I would just use another program.. can't see a problem here.

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Okay, I'm a bit confused. Nokia didn't make Wayfinder, and if they had some sort of product/service maintenance deal with Wayfinder (hypothetical, I have no idea), then it wouldn't be their fault for Wayfinder pulling out. If not, then it's definitely not their fault. If you rely on a third-party, proprietary service to get your maps and routing, and that service shuts down, then no, you won't be able to access it. This happens all the time, and doesn't imply anything bad about Nokia, just because they may have hyped the mapping app when they sold the devices. Aside from that, it's a gross generalization to say that this event (even if it were Nokia's fault) implied a lack of support for Maemo, and even more of a generalization to say that it implied that Nokia was unreliable across the board. For another thing, the fact that Wayfinder shut down doesn't mean you suddenly can't use the GPS hardware - Maemo being what it is, you can just use another mapping app. (Yes, I know that some of them are lacking in various ways, but that's irrelevant to the point that - unlike some devices - the dropping of support doesn't mean that GPS is useless)
Your post title is inflammatory, your claims are unfounded, and at least some of your facts are just wrong. Please stop trolling.

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problem is sygic is only available to europe and north america. Not in australia and new zealand.

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 

Based on your thread title, I thought your original problem was to warn everyone not to buy Maemo devices, no? If not, maybe you should have titled your thread a little bit differently?

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is that right mr nokia expert

in the real world

if a company subcontracts a service and the subcontractor fails to deliver the company is at fault

do you personally own a n810 that cannot use the maps

no

so shut up

troll

here is what i received from wayfinder customer support

"Dear Customer,

Thank you for contacting us!

As Wayfinder is now almost closed so we don't have any technical tool to help you in the Navicore and internet tablets issues except the Website http://www.navicoretech.com .

Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for understanding.

If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact us."

Best Regards,
Sanna Basyouny
Customer Support
Wayfinder Systems AB

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 

That quote was referring to the OP's extrapolation of something unfortunate happening to third-party N810 software to a general statement that nothing Nokia does can ever be trusted.
So actually, it was entirely on-topic.
Oh wait, was that sarcasm? I missed it... :P

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 

hey pal you have become part of the problem and not the solution

if you cannot help

go away

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I used Nokia Maps on my Nokia E71, it is way better. Although he N900 get a lock much faster.

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How is spreading FUD a solution to anything ?

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and what

just let it go

accept that you pay for 3 years of map services and after 2 years they shut it down,no warning -so you know not to flash the unit

and say nothing

come on

i have spent a lot of time and money supporting maemo

bought all 3 internet tablets -at least a $1000 right there

and testing software -giving feedback at least 100 hours

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 

The only trolling here was in the first post. And please change the topic to a more suitable.. describing your problem.

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Have you actually got an N810 with Wayfinder - because you are talking absolute rot and garbage.

I have an N810, and a valid wayfinder licence (expires 2011), and it is working ABSOLUTELY FINE.

Yes, now wayfinder have gone, I cannot renew my licence, but I would not have done anyway.

Yes, there has been no map updates for a couple of years, but I have not come across a road that I have used which has been missing.

Yes, there is no support, but I have only used it a couple of times - not a dealbreaker.

The game has changed in the last few months - I recently bought a Nokia phone for £80 (100 euros) which has free voice guided maps anyway so I have an alternative which is more modern anyway.

Before my NITs I had a garmin sat-nav which cost more, and nagged at me to purchase new maps everytime I turned it on, once I had owned it for a year without any option to turn the nag off - now thats a bad product.

So yes Yukop4 - I have risen to Troll bait - now go and crawl back under your rock and shut the .... up unless you have something constructive to say.

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this thread is "Total FUD".

Wayfinder has discontinued new maps, traffic and speed camera updates, but you can use Wayfinder till your licence expires. Some have had problems with the server, myself included. However I emailed them and the problem was resolved in a day. Wayfinder has served me well for three years. Disappointed that it will be gone by year end. Nokia and Vodafone really missed a trick by not making widely available. I can only hope MeeGo in-vehicle platform will produce something just as good that I can install on my N800. And maybe still keep my Carman OBD2 + GPS going.

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ok troll

flash your unit

then try and reload the maps

it does not accept the licence key

error message comes up

you got it dimwit





then try and

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 

rubbish
the problem has not been resolved
the servers were taken down and you cannot renew your licence key
try it
flash your unit and see if it will work

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This of course doesn't mean I can't use gps on my N800, my N810, or my N900. I think your basic complaint, though absurdly overstated, is right. So go find companies that don't do bad things. I don't know of any.

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You're missing the point of the problem. The service no longer operates, ergo you can't download maps from them. If you delete your maps (or reflash without a backup), then you can be annoyed at them for pulling the map downloads, but you can't blame them for the fact that you deleted the copy you had. "When in doubt, backup" is pretty standard doctrine.

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Try what? Don't leave us hanging!

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Do they run a DRM activation server which is not in service anymore?
This would explain that reinstalling or even backing up (the install files) will not work anymore.

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yes they do and thats the problem-judging from other threads a lot of tablet users having been left stranded-including those people out there that want to purchase new units

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idk friend... i mean, nokia never promised us a app store. i mean they said coming soon but they didn't say how many apps. may be perhaps disingenuous but give it time who knows what is still yet to come in ovi. the n900 is only limited by lack of apps. in quality and quanity. hardware wise they gave you every single thing they said they would. unless i am mistaken.

only thing i know for a fact they lied about is mms. but thats what i get for listening to customer service reps. new lesson learned again for the umteenth time. GET IT IN WRITING!

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i am pretty sure you can find the maps on the internet some where. a torrent or something has got to be floating around

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thats not what i hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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this is an email i received from them

Dear Sir,



Unfortunately Sygic is only running on Maemo 5 and we don’t plan to be compatible with Maemo 4 in future.



In case of any questions and feedbacks, please don't hesitate to contact me.



Thank you for contacting support and for your interest in our products.



Best regards,



Matus Cipak

SYGIC Technical Support

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 

That's not his problem. His problem is his activation key.

I don't know why his problem is our problem. I bought Navicore when it was first available for the N800 even posted a review here I believe. Then it came with a lifetime licence. Once it became Wayfinder the licence was reduced to 3 years. Wayfinder did nothing about it then and most people learned that it was a POS company. It wasn't Nokia's problem then or this forums. It ism't now either.

If dude needs to vent, let him vent. Unless you have a solution leave him alone.

That's all I got. The app was crap + the only update was to change the name and the license terms and add a little green heart as I recall. That was it. The maps and POI's are the same as the day I bought it.

They got me for $149 at the time.

BTW, I have reflashed my N800 and N810 a lot of times and never have had to contact their server. The key was in the back-up data files.

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 

N900 comes with Ovi Maps preinstalled, not Wayfinder.
Complaining about some third party closing service on other company community forum is total nonsense.

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oh well

win some lose some still it is a pity because the unit worked well for me especially on a day to day basis as a business tool

nokia made an excellent produst but the software has always been a problem

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Ouch, that sounds much more final than the previous response to this :-(

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iphone sleeper cell activated

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I have an N810. I am going to visit Italy soon. I open maps application, see Italy in the list of available maps (as I knew it will be when I bought the device). I try to download this map, and get "Network error", instead of a map.

Nokia got my money already. Nokia does not provide the service they got the money for. I warn other people not to trust Nokia with their money. How does Nokia not deserve this bad publicity?

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what is fud