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mrebanza 2010-04-20 20:09

Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
I am personally not happy with the whole Meego OS idea - I like Maemo - it is fast and the UI is perfect for a touch screen device - I feel the Maemo UI is far superior to both Android and iPhone OS - Moblin is a cool idea I guess but it is EXTREMELY SLOW AND BUGGY - I have tested it on one of my laptops and I quickly removed it.


Until now I have just kept quite about my opinions on Moblin since the future direction of MeeGo was unknown but recently quite a few screen shots and videos have been released by Intel and this ISNT MAEMO it is MOBLIN!!!


http://thumbla.com/images/images/meego.png

In the youtube video above this Intel employee gets on camera with an acer netbook and says this is Meego 1.0!!!

Now to someone who has never seen or used Moblin they would probably agree and say wow look what Maemo 6 aka Meego has become but I used Moblin before I even got my N900 and I know Moblin when I see it.

http://thumbla.com/images/images/meegoui.jpg

Now here is a screenshot of the Meego cell phone UI - WTF IS THIS?!?!?

It looks like Windows 7 Phone OS!!!

Where is the easy to access multi-tasking?
(One of the main attractions for me to Maemo in the first place)

Where are the limitless customizable widgets on the home screen?
(Similar to what makes androids home screen so cool)
I don't want you to control my home screen and show me what you THINK i want to see their.
http://thumbla.com/images/images/hpslatevsa.jpg
I read an article yesterday where the apple iPad was compared to a beta release version of the HP SLATE (running WIN7)

The reviewer hesitate favored the Apple iPad because obviously windows 7 isn't meant for a touch screen device. I can't help but think how awesome Maemo (or Mer) would be on an HP Slate - I think it would make any reviewer hard not to name the HP Slate the winner if it was running Maemo.

And now that Nokia is riding Intel's . . . ummm . .. chips . . . it is sad to say that we may never see the Maemo OS developed to its full potential . . . That is of course unless someone picks up the Mer Project and continues development where Nokia left off. .. ..

noobmonkey 2010-04-20 20:10

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Cutting the reply short - Quite lucky you don't have to have it :D :D - Just Keep Maemo for now :D - Judge Meego when you see it running on the device, and once it has matured :D

mohannad 2010-04-20 20:17

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Youre not the only one.. So far it looks like they just took moblin and renamed it to meego, lets hope thats not the final UI.

ioan 2010-04-20 20:19

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
I like the idea of MeeGo, having one OS on multiple platforms... including TVs, but I'm happy with Maemo on my N900. I hope they'll keep developing Maemo for a while, at least until MeeGo is a mature alternative.

Texrat 2010-04-20 20:19

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
I highly doubt Nokia would accept MeeGo regression to the point where it performed more poorly than Maemo.

afaq 2010-04-20 20:20

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
agreed with the author. ive never seen or used moblin but if what you say is true it means us early adapters (and now many mainstream users) will have to adapt once again to a new baby OS. i dont mind that except i dont want to wait 2 more years to fully exploit the powers of n900 and meego.

nokia and maemo were and in a case still are in a far better position to deliver superb products that can lead the market but it seems the direction they have taken is that of slow long development. i work in making software projects and ive been feeling like a user testig their latest ideas ever since n97.

android seems to be ravishing the market so quickly 2.1 android is simply kick ***. they have taken great innovative ideas and made a somewhat closed product that just works. maemo is far more powerful but we will never know now.

anyway not sure what my point is anymore. il stick with maemo/meego despite the frustrations. and hopefully meego doesnt disappoint as moblin clearly has.

zimon 2010-04-20 20:23

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
yes. (too short)

bandora 2010-04-20 20:25

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrebanza (Post 619953)
I am personally not happy with the whole Meego OS idea - I like Maemo - it is fast and the UI is perfect for a touch screen device - I feel the Maemo UI is far superior to both Android and iPhone OS - Moblin is a cool idea I guess but it is EXTREMELY SLOW AND BUGGY - I have tested it on one of my laptops and I quickly removed it.


Until now I have just kept quite about my opinions on Moblin since the future direction of MeeGo was unknown but recently quite a few screen shots and videos have been released by Intel and this ISNT MAEMO it is MOBLIN!!!


http://thumbla.com/images/images/meego.png

In the youtube video above this Intel employee gets on camera with an acer netbook and says this is Meego 1.0!!!

Now to someone who has never seen or used Moblin they would probably agree and say wow look what Maemo 6 aka Meego has become but I used Moblin before I even got my N900 and I know Moblin when I see it.

http://thumbla.com/images/images/meegoui.jpg

Now here is a screenshot of the Meego cell phone UI - WTF IS THIS?!?!?

It looks like Windows 7 Phone OS!!!

Where is the easy to access multi-tasking?
(One of the main attractions for me to Maemo in the first place)

Where are the limitless customizable widgets on the home screen?
(Similar to what makes androids home screen so cool)
I don't want you to control my home screen and show me what you THINK i want to see their.
http://thumbla.com/images/images/hpslatevsa.jpg
I read an article yesterday where the apple iPad was compared to a beta release version of the HP SLATE (running WIN7)

The reviewer hesitate favored the Apple iPad because obviously windows 7 isn't meant for a touch screen device. I can't help but think how awesome Maemo (or Mer) would be on an HP Slate - I think it would make any reviewer hard not to name the HP Slate the winner if it was running Maemo.

And now that Nokia is riding Intel's . . . ummm . .. chips . . . it is sad to say that we may never see the Maemo OS developed to its full potential . . . That is of course unless someone picks up the Mer Project and continues development where Nokia left off. .. ..

UMMMMMMMMMM! this is Intel's UI.. not Nokia's UI.. enough said.

Texrat 2010-04-20 20:27

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bandora (Post 619972)
UMMMMMMMMMM! this is Intel's UI.. not Nokia's UI.. enough said.

Performance will not be solely about UI.

southwalesboy 2010-04-20 20:29

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
I dont really want Maemo to change i like it! but I guess the more people on board the faster the developement/apps/adoption will be so guess its way to go

bandora 2010-04-20 20:29

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 619975)
Performance will not be solely about UI.

I wasn't talking about the performance... he's complaining about the MeeGo phone UI, saying it looks like Windows Phone 7.. and that's not Nokia's UI..

EDIT: .. and woah 10,000+ posts! lol.. :eek:

Venemo 2010-04-20 20:31

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Actually, I don't care about MeeGo.

If it will be good enough, I'll use it.
If not, I'll stick to Maemo 5. The applications will be compatible across them, so no problems here.

ioan 2010-04-20 20:35

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by afaq (Post 619966)
android seems to be ravishing the market so quickly 2.1 android is simply kick ***. they have taken great innovative ideas and made a somewhat closed product that just works. maemo is far more powerful but we will never know now..

Just imagine what Maemo could have become if Nokia invested the time they put in MeeGo to make the Maemo more friendly to non-geeks. If they implemented all the basic phone features (voice dialing, mms etc). Right now n900 is a geek pocket computer with build in basic phone - just the way I like it - but my wife (not a geek) hates it (the phone she has, a cheap Samsung I think, does everything a modern phone should do and has some GPS application on it too). I don't believe is hard for Nokia to implement those features to make it more popular to the people who use a phone to just talk/sms and want to have a phone who looks cool.
Anyway, I for one, love it.

Texrat 2010-04-20 20:38

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bandora (Post 619977)
I wasn't talking about the performance... he's complaining about the MeeGo phone UI, saying it looks like Windows Phone 7.. and that's not Nokia's UI.

He was also complaining about performance. Maybe if you had just quoted specifics... :p

mrebanza 2010-04-20 20:38

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ioan (Post 619963)
I like the idea of MeeGo, having one OS on multiple platforms... including TVs, but I'm happy with Maemo on my N900. I hope they'll keep developing Maemo for a while, at least until MeeGo is a mature alternative.

Yes, I feel the same way the "IDEA" of Meego is great but the reality is looking pretty lame.

Maemo is perfect touch screen tablets and smart phones and Moblin would be cool for your TV but it feels like Intel is the big dog in the room.

wmarone 2010-04-20 20:40

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ioan (Post 619991)
Just imagine what Maemo could have become if Nokia invested the time they put in MeeGo to make the Maemo more friendly to non-geeks.

The time and money Nokia was investing in Maemo was likely the reason that they didn't make it more friendly. A move to MeeGo allows Nokia to more finely focus their resources, away from maintaining an entire distribution and more towards interfaces. I suspect that Nokia's first MeeGo based device will have a better "phone" experience than Maemo.

Quote:

Right now n900 is a geek pocket computer with build in basic phone - just the way I like it
Which was exactly how it was targeted. Anyone who assumed it was supposed to be a smartphone or an iPhone competitor didn't pay enough attention to what came before it.

Quote:

I don't believe is hard for Nokia to implement those features to make it more popular to the people who use a phone to just talk/sms and want to have a phone who looks cool.
They do, and they're significantly cheaper. The N900 is complex because its audience wants such complexity.

LippiVan 2010-04-20 20:40

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
mrebanza, i agree with you in 100%. Really don't know why everybody is getting that excited about meego.

mrebanza 2010-04-20 20:41

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 619975)
Performance will not be solely about UI.

I agree completely but the UI determines the user experience and I get the feeling the Maemo's fast snappy UI is going to die inorder to fix Intel's mistakes and to improve on Moblin's performance and we will be left with a product that is as fast as Maemo but looks like Moblin.

And if that was what the N900 was I wouldn't have purchased one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by noobmonkey (Post 619955)
Cutting the reply short - Quite lucky you don't have to have it :D :D - Just Keep Maemo for now :D - Judge Meego when you see it running on the device, and once it has matured :D

and your right we are the lucky ones who get to keep Maemo 5 if we want - :D

I guess we will have to wait and see - but I would LOVE to see company like Canonical (people behind the Ubuntu Linux Desktop OS) pick up Mer and continue developing it for smart-phones and/or Tablet PC's :cool:

sjgadsby 2010-04-20 20:41

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrebanza (Post 619953)
...recently quite a few screen shots and videos have been released by Intel and this ISNT MAEMO it is MOBLIN!

While reference UIs for handheld and netbook devices are being constructed by the MeeGo project, and even a few reference applications built, they're not intended for shipping devices. Instead, they are starting points for vendors to build their own, custom user interfaces and applications on MeeGo.

So, you're seeing that Intel hasn't yet moved the reference MeeGo netbook UX much beyond what they had built for Moblin. Given the short time that has passed since the MeeGo announcement, I don't find that surprising.

Quote:

Now here is a screenshot of the Meego cell phone UI - WTF IS THIS?
It may be part of the MeeGo reference user experience for handhelds. However, it likely has little to do with Harmattan, if that's your concern. Nokia isn't going to ship the reference MeeGo handheld UX on any devices, and they're not going to give away Harmattan's UX and applications to competitors.

The MeeGo website has some pages on architecture that include explanations of the reference UX plans. You may want to take a look at them.

EDIT: MeeGo Architecture

mobiledivide 2010-04-20 20:45

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
I have reservations as I feel maemo 5 with just a tweak or two would have been perfect for a mobile and as it is (with perhaps a better onscreen keyboard) probably a perfect slate OS. Nokia would have to do very little to get me to purchase a 7 inch tablet running Maemo5.
I'm taking a wait and see stance, but there is no doubt that having two monsters like Nokia and Intel and the Linux foundation backing will make it that Meego will see success in some segment of the market.

Ken-Young 2010-04-20 20:58

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobiledivide (Post 620013)
I'm taking a wait and see stance, but there is no doubt that having two monsters like Nokia and Intel and the Linux foundation backing will make it that Meego will see success in some segment of the market.

I would not bet the farm on that. Intel has had some spectacular failures in the past, such as iAPX 432 family and more recently Itanium. It's a great company, but far from infallible. Ominously, Itanium was the product of "two monsters", Intel and HP.

sevla 2010-04-21 14:30

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Why do people get upset over nothing.. Nokia hasn't even shown a single screen shot of their Meego implementation. It's been said about 1.23 million times that the mobile device screen shots shown are simply reference designs. Meaning each manufacturer, Nokia, Samsung or whomever will modify the code and appearance to their specifications. For Nokia it's the Harmattan UI which had a screen shot was leaked almost a year ago.

Furthermore I don't think judging the performance of beta os code is wise.

In short, stop *****ing..

bandora 2010-04-21 23:00

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 621099)
Why do people get upset over nothing.. Nokia hasn't even shown a single screen shot of their Meego implementation. It's been said about 1.23 million times that the mobile device screen shots shown are simply reference designs. Meaning each manufacturer, Nokia, Samsung or whomever will modify the code and appearance to their specifications. For Nokia it's the Harmattan UI which had a screen shot was leaked almost a year ago.

Furthermore I don't think judging the performance of beta os code is wise.

In short, stop *****ing..

Exactly what I had in mind, but I didn't want to say all this... xD

Bijiont 2010-04-22 03:18

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
At this point I think it's early to really make any calls on which is better or why. I think the idea behind Meego's seamless integration with other devices is a great idea.

I guess at this point to me time will tell. I am not going to basterdize Meego until I have seen and tried it myself.

No1cromo 2010-04-22 23:45

Re: Am I the only person who doesn't want Meego?!?!?!
 
I Like the point abut Maemo's easy access to multi-tasking. Lets just hope that Nokia has taken this on board with there UI, i think MeeGo looks very cool but until i've had a go i won't be sure.

I'd love to see maemo on a device like the HP Slate.

But then with MeeGo you could have a device like the slate then have your phone(n900) and they would sync together great.

Just like the iPhone and iPad would if apple let it.


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