Android running on the iphone
 

http://gizmodo.com/5521580/the-iphone-now-runs-android
thoughts

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Man, even iPhone now can dual boot Android!! What on earth is happening to the Android on N900?

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I wonder if he didn't write up an equivalent to HaRET for the iPhone. Having no JTAG and (worse) no SD card slot, this must've been a pretty complex boot trick.

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thats what im thinking WTH the most locked down phone can do it and run it pretty fast

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yeah that iPhone totally running Android like almost a native OS. One or a few hickup but hey still way better than the one on N900 so far. It can make skype call O_o even!!!

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maybe you guys could help with the n900 port instead of dogging it

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no he's just not swiping the phone right if he moves his finger more than that little baby touches it would have flipped pages faster

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i'm not doing it anyways i think page flipping support is in pr 1.2 something needed mabye it has some elements that can be ported over if the devs and the linux guy who made this might be able to help each other

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the guy working on the port for us doesn't even have an n900 yet. so maybe donating one would help a whole lot

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i was talking along the lines of sharing code and implementation methods but I'm sure that would help

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Another crazy rumor:

Apple may soon be running ARM
http://www.9to5mac.com/apple-buying-arm-235057046

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May be you could help porting it as well. We will help testing if you provide the instructions.

I don't know anything about porting it. Neither ever used an android before.

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I never claimed to know anything about porting which is why i'm not going to be dogging the progress of android on the n900 anytime soon

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Frightening, actually.

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Here's hoping that this never happens. Apple have their own line of ARM processors, they developed the A4 processor for the iPad, right? Seems the only reason to acquire ARM would be to stifle competition.

I normally care little about the Apple fanbois, but if their money are used to screw things for the rest of us, that would really suck. Hopefully the EU wouldn't allow this to happen...

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Hmm... what's the worst that could happen?
I mean, they're still out to make money; impending other platforms through bad management of ARM supplies would be bad for business.

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Seriously, ysss?

How about jack up the prices for competitors? I for one refuse to pay the premium Apple charges its customers.

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BTW, I apologize for inadvertently taking part in hijacking the thread.

Android on iPhone is awesome news. I want to see more.

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@Sopwith: and risk accelerating the development of its competitors by running their licensees off? That's not how you do business..
I think Apple will definitely use this to leverage their positions, but not by driving their 'partners' off.

ps: I'm sorry for thread-jacking too. I've requested the sub-thread to be split into its own.

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Jacking up the prices wouldn't help business, it would make their own holding too toxic to support their one endeavor... to make money.

If anything, they'll love to continue down the path of licensing ARM to whomever wishes to use it. It's not exactly as disastrous as people would think.

Android on the iPhone... seriously. How did the most locked down, most maligned platform on this site get the fastest port of Android I've seen outside of native Android phones?

I mean, seriously?

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You really think that port was fast, considering he did it on an iPhone 2G?

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iphone Devs are the most talented?

But actually, the really talented ones would flock to iPhone cause it's almost like the Mt. Everest of consumer electronics

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I'd actually argue against that sentiment. I've seen the Maemo/Qt devs around here... and they're pretty damn talented in my eyes.

Yes, I do.

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Original release date of the Iphone:
June 29, 2007

Release date of the N900:
November 11, 2009

Current year: 2010

So, in little under 3 years; we'll see where we stand.

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I'm sure they are!
My first line was meant to be facetious. The main point I was trying to get at, is the prestige (be it warranted or not) that exudes from being able to make the iPhone your b1tch.
Like accomplishing the feat of scaling the world's tallest mountain or what have you.
The iPhone, being so closed yet widely hailed, makes it the perfect device for devs to show off what they can do. Thus it would attract the upper echelon of coders etc to try and conquer it.

@fatalsaint
fastest = no lag not quickest port

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Realistically, it's only closed in the sense that:
- it's gotta be jailbroken
- the OS is closed source

After that it's pretty bog-standard hardware, like current x86 Macs.

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Erm. I meant how fast the port seemed to the user. Not how long it took to port it.

port speed != how long it took to port

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OIC.. well I had NITDROID on my N810 and it actually ran quite nicely. Just, at the time, there was near no third party software for it and the Google Market wasn't available to it (which I still think is the case for all non-sold phones) - therefore there wasn't much to do with it other than go "ooh perty."

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hence I said the prestige may not be warranted, but to average joe iphone is locked up tight

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I had NITDroid too on my N810. It ran slow as heck.

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Nitdroid has been revived, and is running very nicely on the N8x0s. Still some issues to sort, but DJ_Steve has done a sterling job so far.

What I cannot understand is all these people with N900s who want to chuck Android on it - seems strange to me - why do they not buy an Android device? The Droid/milestone seems to be reasonably close to the N900 interms of form factor

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I'll have to check out the NITdroid refresh then...

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Perhaps the reason android port for iPhone is better (is it?) than that on the N900 is because iPhone users are stuck with a restricted OS on nice hardware, while N900 users have a unrestricted OS on nice hardware. So for hackers, it would be nice to get a less restricted OS installed.

Bleh that didn't come out right. Perhaps you still see my point.

If I wanted android I would use an android phone. I hear they're nice.Though it would be nice to be able to smoothly run android on N900 just to piss android people off.

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No, I don't see your point.

If Maemo is so unrestricted, then they should be able to code down to the metal, basically. No restrictions in the way. No hacks necessary.

Instead, Maemo is a developers paradise for only a very select few. The ones on the platform are downright awesome. But stuff like this, seems to not have the community to back it, or better yet... it's not really as big of a challenge as it would be on the more restricted iPhone and nobody has really taken themselves to task for something of this nature and have it running truly full-speed.

Now to me, that's just plain *** backwards. No restrictions in the way would be like a sports car and a 20 mile stretch of straightway paved road. What it "might" denote is just that the N900 hasn't quite yet seduced the right people. Or presents the right challenge.

Or more than likely, given the current state of lack of updates for the apps that are there - no Skype update, no Gizmo (Google owns them now) update, no... well, besides the PR updates and DialCentral, really no updates of the apps so far - the N900 is looking like a dead end in its current iteration.

So the devs might be waiting on the MeeGo dust to settle before they go forward.

And think of it this way. Android on the iPhone is an improvement if you were to ask me. Can't say the same for the N900. Would be an improvement (at fullspeed) on the N810.

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I think it's great to see Android running on the iphone, Im looking forward to a time when we'll genuinely be able to have whatever OS we want running on the hardware we choose. So more power to the developers and I hope they'll develop it further. What they learn can only help others with porting Android onto other devices.

DJ_Steve is doing a great job porting Android onto Maemo, and it would be unfair to question the pace of the port as it's one guy who doesn't even have a n900 yet. He deserves a lot of kudos for what he has achieved so far. The difference is there are thousands more of talented developers like Steve developing with the Iphone, with a development and coding environment which is better laid out and understood than on Maemo, so developments will come a lot quicker on that platform. That's the advantage of numbers.

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The main reason to port Android to Maemo would be the app scene. You would have access to a decent library of apps. Makes the N900 a lot more attractive, even for mainstream users.

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- I was already familiar with and impressed with Maemo 4 and it's existing environment, and thought that would be a personal advantage instead of jumping the Android bandwagon. (It wasn't as big an advantage as I had thought, since I had to leave several applications behind and the rest were ported at different speeds and mostly reside in -devel.)

- I was already familiar and impressed with this community, the frontier mentality here, and I thought I would love to have a maemo phone because of that. (As it happens, I was kind of at fault there too. I hadn't expected that many tablet owners and forum core members became bitter about the N900 being a phone, or that people would be asked in semi-hateful ways to do better research, read the specs + go buy an Iphone every time they pointed out an unexpected weakness. It's still a marvelous place, but not as uniquely positive as I initially thought it was.)

- So I bought the N900, in December 2009. And I'm on a contract. I will keep paying for it until November 2010. I have a N900. I don't buy phones when I don't need (or at least have an excuse) to buy phones.

- Selling it would be at a loss and I can't afford to cover the loss to get another.

- The N900 is in some areas the best device on the market, in others in the very top. Yes, in some areas it's among the weakest phones, too, but getting another phone would mean pros AND cons. Why would I want to pay for a new set of cons?

- Adding Android to the N900 would be free. And it could add a new set of features that the N900 is capable of but has not yet managed to gain through Maemo.

- The Android market is growing VERY fast right now. Ovi isn't, yet. Access to Android apps far outweighs having access to Maemo apps - but the N900 should be capable of BOTH.

- I don't like the Droid/Milestone design. It seems unbalanced for me and that kind of hurts a little inside whenever I look at it. Like bad Feng Shui.

So, all in all...

I don't see that your suggestion to get an Android phone gives me much value that a good Android port would not give me, while at the same time keeping the N900 functionality. I have installed Easy Debian and that is completely a +/+ situation for me. I would probably loved having Easy Android.

Hopefully, now you can understand better why (one among other) people don't think your suggestion to use more money is the ultimate solution.

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Even if we get a super-fast near-perfect port I still don't think you'll be getting the Android Market.

IIRC that is only available to purchased phones with Android as it's a closed source Google app - just ask cyanogen.

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I agree, to me there's no incentive to port Android to the N900, because Maemo is better (well if you're a noob or a "passive consumer" type, Android might fit your needs a little better). Now Android on an iPhone is a MAJOR improvement, so there's lots of incentive to port Android to it.

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I disagree. Having the collection of Android apps on my N900 would be quite nice. Not practical of course, since to play a game I would have to restart, but nice to have that option. If someday Andrroid on the N900 is improved to the point that you can install app, I will use it solely for its apps and games. I wish more devs would develop for the N900, but Android might be the next best thing.

I love ports and I really like the emulators. The apps are just as good as on any other OS IMO and I do not miss apps so much. It's games that I miss. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all the ports and stuff, and there are some very nice ports like OpenArena or Supertux or tuxrace..but what about new games? Games like Iron Man 2 or NFS 6 (or whatever number they're on now..). Android gets new games, so to sum up I disagree. Having Android on the N900 would be useful.

If the OS is able to install apps and games, run them of course, and make calls (I do not want to be offline just to play a game), and maybe have a working browser with Wi-Fi, I would use it as an 'emulator'.