More proof that Nokia is actually making some progress
 

Video sample of the new upcoming N8`s camera. I`ll let the video speak for itself.

http://vimeo.com/11266224

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Very good camera!

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It's actually making think about buying that phone.

Unless the meego/maemo phone has the same type of camera. (I''ll take less megapixels with same image sensor)

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Just ... wow. Smooth frames, clear image. Better than a handheld.

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that's amazing :) I love it :)

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WIsh they didn't modify the video and just give us a raw sample.
That video was edited and saved as a mov when it is mp4 out of N8.

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A Camera does not equal progress.

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If said camera blows all competition out of the water then indeed it does.

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Mmmm...not

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I've applauded the optics in the N8 in prior threads. However, having a great camera but a horrible OS; doesn't make the entire experience better.

But since we're on a Maemo/MeeGo forum; that shows up on the next Maemo/MeeGo product without the present N900 camera issues present... then I'd call that true progress.

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I'm considering replacing my work phone with the N8 for my own money just so I'd always have a good camera with me. I'd say that's pretty damn good progress.

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You're supporting what I said about the optics... but not concentrating on my doubt(s) about the OS.

Camera: good
OS: questionable

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So Symbian is now a horrible OS ? How come you stick your foot in your mouth everytime ?

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i think symbian was awesome before touch came into play. now i think maemo / meego is better suited for that type of stuff.

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Symbian is, at best, uninteresting. Especially for someone who appreciates having a Linux stack. That is, after all, the reason many people who bought the internet tablets and the N900 did so.

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What's so interesting about it now that Maemo/MeeGo exists? Seriously.

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This, from a man hanging out on an N900 forum that does not have, nor desires to buy an N900?

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This... again? I own the 770 and N810. Ever thought that the N900 just didn't entice me? Or that... shockingly enough there are other folks that do not own a N900 for various reasons? It's unpossible!!

Guess I should just take the hint and leave, right? Sorry that I offended you, Mr. Forum Owner.

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HEY! This is NOT a N900 forum! This is a MAEMO forum!

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Yep, try to get some context. This forum didn't just come together for N900, there's already a community here around maemo long before the N900.

It was actually used to be called ITT. InternetTabletTalk forum.

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N8 has a non user replaceable battery
and i really really hate that

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I am sure it's not hard to replace the battery if needed.. I am guessing a couple of screws.. Maybe the ones that are on the side?

Also symbian is interesting man, there are lots of things that it can do that Maemo can't so far.. and I am guessing MeeGo too, since it's going to be a very new OS... So you can't say it's horrible! It's not as good as Maemo/MeeGo when it comes to being a mobile computer.. But it's certainly not horrible either..

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Cringe on the non replaceable battery.
This is the next cellphone camera sensor
http://www.invisageinc.com/

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How about this ? It can run on lower spec hardware. It was designed from the ground up with mobility in mind and no matter how u spin it, linux was not. It also has better power management than maemo. Its quite unfair to consider it horrible, yes its not flashy but its very functional and efficient so much so that it is used by more souls than any other. Maemo rocks as it is but no point degrading Symbian. Peace.

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that's a wow. i wonder if it's on our n900.. then thats another "pros." i might get that phone to check some cool features of it.

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Amen. Symbian and Maemo are very different animals, coming from different paradigms, and now addressing different needs. They have strengths and weaknesses, and according to those, users will choose and pick the product that fits them.

I am actually disappointed with the attitude that I am seeing lately in the forum regarding Symbian. Why the hate? Why the intolerance? Is people not capable anymore of understanding that other persons see value in things they don't?

The 12 Megapixel camera of the N8 plus its metallic design will make the experience for some people. For some, it won't. There is no need to assault someone that doesn't like the same thing that you.

Chill a bit guys. You will live longer.

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i really don't understand all the negative comments about symbian. people sometimes even say things like "it's a bad OS because the icons look dated" - what are we talking about? seriously?

symbian is easy to use, has a logical, consistent UI that i understood within a few minutes and is heavily optimized for cell phone use cases. i can't say the same for other operating systems, not even for my beloved maemo.

as for the look and feel: don't forget this is something nokia tries to keep as consistent as possible across its whole range of products from S40, S60, Symbian^3 and Maemo. knowing that nokia owns almost half of the cell phone market and that 50% of the consumers who buy the N8 will be people who upgrade from another nokia phone, it makes a lot of sense not to change the look and feel too much. this ensures that 50% of the new N8 owners will feel at home as soon as they turn on the device, no matter if they come from S40, S60 or Maemo.

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I'm going to come right out and say that I don't like Symbian anymore after having used Maemo. This doesn't mean Symbian is any less capable than it was before, but it's just so hard to think about going back to it after having used Maemo.

Keep in mind that I haven't used Symbian since the N72 so all the advances since (and it probably doesn't even remotely resemble what I used before) have been mostly ignored by me.

For me, Maemo was the attraction, not the Nokia brand. I also don't doubt that we will see more of that camera in future Nokia phones since they have a tendency to stick to their hardware inventory for years.

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Well, for one thing, it's still much better suited to non-touch devices. Plus there are quite a few interesting applications not available for the N900 at present.

S60v5 isn't nearly as terrible as critics claim, but it does have a slight learning curve (inherited from its keyboarded roots) that other touch OSes lack. Hopefully Symbian^3 will lessen that, but obviously that remains to be seen.

Either way, there is room in the world for more than one operating system.

I use Maemo on a daily basis because I like having a decent Linux box in my pocket, not because of some failing of Symbian.

Needless to say, I hope the MeeGo phone, whatever it turns out to be, has the N8's camera and optics. It's killer. If it was available today, I'd be seriously tempted to buy one. I'd also like to see a better slide mechanism. (pick up an E75 sometime and compare it to the N900)

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I'm a bit jealous about the oprating times of symbian:

http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Doc...=[N8,N900]

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I could have been clearer. I meant that the OS isn't a dealbreaker anymore, so I'm considering the phone for its hardware.

Not that S60 was ever *that* bad, but after using Maemo I couldn't have gone back. S^3 is looking damn nice so far, as a secondary device.

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I remember playing around with the dev tools for Epoc32 - the OS that my old Psion 5mx ran, and it all looked so clunky and unusual that I gave up. Knowing that Symbian is derived from the old Epoc code kinda put me off using it.

Similarly, I've never really been attracted to QT, but thats probably because I've never bothered putting a GUI on any code I've written until recently. Now that I've tried that, I'm more inclined to go down the QT route as it will at least allow me to target GUI apps on Linux and Mac OS X. Not really too fussed about Symbian still.

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wow, just wow.

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The way I see it is that Symbian is Windows 3.1, and Maemo is Win7 ... yes one can run on less resources but it ain't designed to chew down resources like the more current OS. It looks dated, the design philosophy is dated, and you know what We are tired of the easy route yes it is superficial but how long can you use an Old OS and not yearn for a new feel beyond just a theme. The audience is fickle, but that is the exactly the audience you find in the mobile world. Mobile has changed multiple times faster than the PC/ Laptop world. Form factors, OS's, usability paradigms (couple of years ago long battery life was the deciding factor, now it's just like the third or 4th factor to consider).

Symbian is great for E and C series, again with the analogies, but it should be the XP running on netbooks and Maemo should be the Win7 on laptops and pc's not on an N series. What they should have done is not go for this quick cash grab, cause more customers will be peeved when 3 months after the N8 comes like a uber phone from Nokia. It kills the momentum of that product, and leaves a bad taste on those customers who think this is Nokia's flagship.

Seriously some people have forgotten how a person thinks while buying. Yes in the end everyone is disappointed, but to what degree are you the company leaving a lasting impression of disappointment.

All I'm saying is this is another N97, all resources go to Symbian and Maemo just keeps getting renamed and restarted. Yes people here defensive as to protect the pet project called Maemo/ MeeGo but listen not being vocal is the first death knell to Maemo/ MeeGo. We have to voice it consistently, Symbian for introductory smartphones and S40 for the dumbphones, and Maemo/ MeeGo for the N-Series ... damn that exclusivity alone makes the N series a better proposition. We have to consistantly remind them to not let Intel run the show and torpedo the project.

I said the CEO's should be sacked, and a couple of days later shareholders agitated enough are asking for the same. It says a lot when the consumers and shareholder can meet eye to eye, management is really messing up there has to be a fall guy sorry but OPK gotta go.

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I agree, there is several reasons why everyone isn't using the iPhone, or Blackberries, or Android devices, etc..

As far as I'm concerned the more variation we have in hardware the better (as long as applications are decently compatible.. of course an app designed for the N900's specs may not run well on a device that doesn't have a similar CPU speed). Want a really nice camera and you don't care as much about applications outside (Twitter, Facebook, and some GPs app?). Get the N8. While someone else may want lots and lots of storage. Or someone else might want a hardware keyboard. And so on.

As long as you can run the same app across the various devices (constraints due to spec capabilities and hardware [e.g. if your don't have multi-touch obviously multi-touch won't work) then who cares.

That's what I think Android is the platform that will outnumber everyone in the future, simply because of variation in hardware but some compatibility across applications. Though I did hear an interesting argument that the iPhone will likely remain the platform for mobile games (excluding Nintendo and Sony due to game differences) due to somewhat standardized hardware (Windows 7 Phone Series too due to Microsoft's standards and XBOX Live compatibility). And if Nokia can pull off what Android is doing (wide variation in hardware, but with application compatibility) then I think Android will have itself a competitor.

If Nokia and Intel can't do it, then I think the future will be Android with the main marketshare, Apple, (maybe RIM), Microsoft, (maybe Nokia), with smaller marketshare.

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I like the N8.

And I like Symbian.

And the N8 is seriously tempting me to sell off my N900 and get it when it's out. Granted Symbian has lesser eyecandy, but eyecandy isn't everything.

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This is progress as Nokia raises the bar for hardware. This means coming soon: HD video to your favrourit Maemo - iPhone - Android (and in the latter 2 OS thousands of exciting APPS making creative use of the added HD Vid functionality right?)


As things are now: The first N8 like Symbian device that offers the N900 browsing power (derivatives of Firefox 3.6 / 3.5 + add ons) + screen resolution of 800 x 480 something + native skype integration I am most likely to purchase

The outdated interface will be compensated by best of its class battery life vs functionality index.