Ari Jaaksi begging to be kicked
 

Great blog post about the state of the mobile industry from Ari Jaaksi tonight. No 'fanboyism' here - honest praise where it's due for competitors, and a good approach to a competitive industry. Great stuff.

Right up till the point where he said he was running PR1.2...

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Well thats just because - as he mentioned - he's running an RC version of PR 1.2, and I don't think I'll surprise you if I say that he's not the only one running it...

All there's left is just wait PATIENTLY for it to be READY.

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Still.. why's he gotta rub it in ;)

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Well he states that it's a release candidate. Let's hope it gets released.

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damn him. Finally Nokia opening up a little but it's a bit late to tell us now.

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just a beta. does that mean 1.2 is ages away? I hope not.

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Surprise?

Who would do the testing if not Nokia people?

Edit: I'd say it's good news that they already are at RC stage...

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The sad bit is that it was a really, really good blog post. Quite spoilt.

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RC != Beta

Release candidate means just that. It's a candidate for release. So unless some major bugs emerge, that is the version that will be released.

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Hmmm...nice blog even thought that p.s. came out bit sideways :)

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Dave999 is going to have a fit!!! :D

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Well, there you go. The reason we still don't have PR1.2: the guys deciding when to bother releasing it for us mortals already run it, and have been running it for weeks, maybe even months.

They just don't seem to care what we think, guess that's because they already have our money. But that's what we all love and expect from Nokia. Every single time, nothing changes.

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Say it with me: T-E-S-T-I-N-G.

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Say it with me: K-O-R-E-A-N... like in school,

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I thought that was the point of the N900, you know, early adapters and hackers and all. I'd like to do some testing, where can I sign?

Oh right, only for administrators here, silly me.

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You guys are looking at this all wrong.

Sure, open testing would be great and I'm looking forward to that with MeeGo. But consider: who's going to ignore Ari Jaaksi when he reports bugs?

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now you are 1-2 iterations late...

770 was for hackers, n800 was for early adaptors.

n900 is last step before mass market product so a lot must be changed since 770...

e: btw who remembers very first maemo ssu's? with sweatty palms you took battery off and hoped that the reboot loop goes by

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Odds are PR1.2 will still have some bugs, so guess what? Test away. ;)

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There was a brainstorm entry about making this process open and I remember It got lots of votes. Why not doing anything about it? I think Anarae is right about his question, if N900 is for above average user, let them participate and everyone will be more happy, and maybe it can help to speed up testing process.

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It amazes me how PR1.2 seems to have gotten this aura about it that it's going to make the N900 somehow this Hulk of a device ...

It'll change the hardware at a fundamental level and blow away everything for the next 10 years... or something.

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the comments left on his blog by anoyomous people are quite interestin :D
wonder whether he will respond to the negative ones...

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Look, I doubt anyone disagrees. I sure don't. But many have us have been fighting that battle here for YEARS. At some point you either walk away or adopt the old prayer of Saint Francis:

"Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

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what's so great about it?
it's just a bunch of hollow marketing phrases which would score big at bs bingo and unwarranted claims.
what with patting apple, google and palm on the head and that nonsensical "you are nice -- but we are best, though" attitude?

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And I saw PR 1.2 with my own eyes! I almost could smell it :D

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Odds are the childishness will have the opposite intended effect.

This isn't grade school.

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Coulda fooled me lately..

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Yeah, surely all the 10 people(97% of which are old Linux users) who actually bought an N900 would be in SO much trouble if the Release Candidate version was to have some bugs in it.

I mean, Microsoft lets people test RC-software(oh sorry they're evil and not open, can't mention here)! But of course Nokia and Maemo is the right and open way where community matters, no question about it.

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You'd think PR1.2 was the Holy Grail.

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You're griping at the wrong people. Have you actually read what I posted?

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TBH Texrat, Anarae does have a valid point there - if this phone is for developers, and considering the fact that MeeGo in its current state IS available for the N900, why can't we "test" PR 1.2 too?
I mean, we're "good enough" to be able to install and use MeeGo (which I don't have to remind you - currently has no UI and missing lots of basic functionalities) but we're not "good enough" to test a simple update?

Unless of course, PR 1.2 does bring something more than "just an update", which in this case Nokia would want it to be released only on certain terms and conditions, which Nokia decided that will happen on a very certain occation...

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Why can't they have weekly or even monthly "builds" available for rest of us to test. (for those who are willing to reflash often)
Wish they had a hotfix system in place so you can just install the hotfix which fixes a certain bug. (like Microsoft...)

Just release Beta/RC builds and put them up in a unstable repository and for those who are installing, just show a BIG warning sign saying this is UNSTABLE prior to the install. Super easy. That's what they are doing internally, why not do it for the techy guys out here who are willing to also try and test their so called "beta/rc" builds.

We all know PR1.2 will also have lots of bugs and spawn many more enhancement requests. So just release it and let us help report any bugs as we are going to do it even when their "fully tested" gets released anyways.

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I'm not disputing the validity of that point. I'm pointing out the folly of lambasting this forum over Nokia business decisions.

I just can't wait for the 3000 "WTF???? This is IT???" posts from the exact same people screaming for it now.

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Hmm, maybe I'm not understanding it correctly or just too ignorant because I was not even aware about Maemo's presence before N900. But, I think accepting something bad (yes, it is bad. It is a old habit comes from closed softwares, there's no place for this kind of behaviour on open software, imho) just because Nokia wants is not my way to do things.

If there's a really meaningful reason for Nokia's decisions about this topic (I think It should not be Nokia's decision, anyway..) I would not interrupt. I don't think it's a healthy thing to accept anything unreasonable, just because some guy/company thinks it is better.

Maybe I'll walk away. to Mer, not Android I'm sure, or any other alternative if it's possible. Time will show. Thanks to you for your honest opinions on this topic :)

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Tex...right now, the vast majority of posters consider PR1.2 the Holy Grail... ;)

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The only valid complaint I can see is that IF (thats an if there) PR1.2 for HK is the real PR 1.2 - Nokia can't release a flashable image of it on the website.

If it's not out of testing yet, that's fine - the people that need the OTA updates can wait until it's to that point; people who don't mind reflashing their device and losing their settings can toy with PR1.2

BUT - Screaming, yelling, pissing, moaning on this Maemo forum isn't going to change a damn thing. Call and complain to Nokia Customer Service if you want.. they actually get paid to babysit people all day.

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Fixed for you. ;)

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May very well be a localization issue. Remember, the N900 is just now launched there. Maybe emphasis was placed on getting the PR1.2 image for Hong Kong done first due to the launch. Just speculating.

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Which makes sense of course. I'm not saying there can't be reasons.

That's why I'm not one of the ones running around screaming my PR1.2 isn't here. In fact the N900 has been perfectly fine for me.. I'm a little anxious for the new QT to use the SDK toolkit but other than that.. meh.

My phone isn't my life.. it seems that's a rarity around here though.

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:rolleyes: Silly me...yes, i forgot the operative word 'screaming'... :D ... are we to expect a crusade soon as well?

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This is the only problem i have with Maemo.. It do things a little bit different than the normal Linux way. Thus they are not using the full potential of using linux as base. They need to learn how to involve the community better.. and i think they will. They are the company that have come furthest with that as for now.

I can really understand why they don't let "everyone" test the RC before it is released. Just look how the extras-devel are being used by ppl that should not use it.

I do hope they change their mind on how they make their release in future upgrades.

(And Anarea please stop beeing so negative about things..) ;)