N900 graveyard
 

Had my 900 about two months now and after weeks of consideration I finally sold it this weekend. I can only sum the device up with one word... disappointing. within weeks of release we heard of Meego and it seems conformed that there will be now firmware to upgrade Maemo5. The apps that were supposed to flood out have literally tricked through and are at best a mish mash of utterly pointless applications. I am so tired of hearing comments about how the N900 is not primarily a mobile phone. How many of these snooty and blinkered users can honestly say that they use a secondary phone to support their N900? Not many. Therefore the device is clearly a phone in it's primary form , albeit a well specified phone. For Nokia not have supported MMS is simply inexcusable... whether they believe that the market should be pushed toward email or not. My friends don't know about these issues and why should they? They continue to send me MMS without my even knowing it! I am sorry to say it but many of the comments on this forum smack of tunnel vision. The phone is a huge disappointment and regardless of the incredible specs and excellent build quality will soon be confined to the graveyard of mobile white elephants. Out of date. No upgardes. No apps. Not likely to be gpoing down the Nokia route again.

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U will be missed !

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LoL.......

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Why did you register just to announce this?

I don't get this attention seeking nonsense

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Honest poster

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partan445 is right. N900 not has future without Nokia. But Nokia don't like N900 owners.

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From a marketing standpoint, I find his points notable and even sympathize with a few of them.

Personally, I still love my N900 and use it currently as my primary device.

Yes, every ounce of market share will be missed. ALL of it! I don't like see anyone walk out the door. No matter what you think of them.

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It's not attention seeking. You are exactly the type i refer to as tunnel visioned. This is a forum is it not. I registered to express my disappointment. If your offended and and can't even see why i would register to express this then you really do need to get out more. Bye

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Hi and bye! :p

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I miss your point - what do you want from Maemo community (if not attention)?

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Spartan. To some of us its a phone, to some its a computer and to some its both.

Quite obviously to you it needs to be a phone with MMS capabilities. Sadly the 900 doesnt have mms capabilities out've the box from Nokia. However with with the FMMS application installed it does ;)

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This dramatic need to create a post to announce one's exit is weird. The points made are valid but in no way new or enlightening.

While I agree that lack of MMS is weird I have not missed it--because I am one of those people for whom the phone aspect is little used. I am glad it has phone features, and that's about it. I too have issues with lacking features and bugs--even though my N900 is being repaired right now. (If it takes as long to fix, as some said it might, my entire opinion may change though.) But as of now I really like and miss the thing. This back up G1 is just not as good (for what I need and care about--it is still a good device).

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Why do you think "expressing your disappointment" to the members of this forum is in any way helpful, interesting, entertaining or whatever?

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Really? Within weeks of launch where? It launched in November, the MeeGo annoucement was months later, not weeks.

Apprently for all the "forum reading" you did, you missed the fact that MMS has available on the phone for months (longer than you thought it was out). I send and receive MMS regularly via fMMS, a much discussed app here in the forum. Since you seem to have not found the large cache of programs in extras, I'm guessing all you did was look at the OVI store, which I agree is a pointless mash of crap. But tell me, how did you "read this forum" and miss the fact that there are at least 3 other repositories of software to look through?

Out of date? No upgrades? It's been out 6 months, is the fastest phone available on the market (via overclocking) and has had 2 major software updates, with a 3rd on the way any day now. Show me one other phone that's had 3 updates within 6 months of launch? The iPhone went 13 months before it's first update, and didn't get MMS until then. Most phones don't see a software update for at least 6 months to a year.

I'm sorry you didn't find the extras repository for the phone, but blaming others for your blindness (after supposedly "reading the forums") is lame. Setting up an account just to complain about it after you sold the phone is even more lame.

If you have the N900 and don't like some aspect of it, talk about it. Every single point you raised has a solution, and there are tons of apps in the community that are useful utilities to make this an awesome phone/pda/computer. I'll admit they're not the easiest things to find unless you actually find this forum and read a few posts. But once you get setup it's actually a really nice system.

Good luck on finding a new phone that has all the features you want. I'm sure it will wind up in a landfill long before the N900 you just sold, since it will not be nearly as update-able or user tweakable. The N900 is a long term phone, something I plan to use for the next 5 to 8 years, just like the N6230 I owned before it. It's flexible and ready to meet tomorrows challenges, looking forward and not backward. Enjoy your MMS (I'll enjoy mine!), and let me know if that's useful to you in 9 months when all your pals are sharing images via the internet and your new phone can't.

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sorry for being a grammar Nazi but its you're not your also I dont see your point. However I see that you simply didnt knew anything about N900 and you are too lazy to read :)

1. You got registered recently and didnt even bother to read the forum. fMMS is already offering MMS to N900 and from what I read its quite good.

2. Qt 4.6 will offer most amazing apps we are waiting for its just an issue of when PR 1.2 released :D (This or next week I hope)

3. You will not be missed :D

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MeeGo was announced at least 5 months after the N900 was released. I suppose that is "weeks" but by no means was it close. Additionally, it is likely there will be a MeeGo release of some sort for the N900, but it will not be a direct upgrade path (indeed, it cannot due to the drastic shift of the underlying OS.)

Apparently people who don't see the N900 as being primarily a phone are crazy? I personally use mine as a phone and it works great. It's definitely not primarily a phone though.

Not really. In its primary form it has subsumed telephony into an application, retaining core functionality of the radio for data comms.

It is neither Nokia nor your friends fault that MMS is a terrible spec, and Nokia's intentions with this device (taking advantage of the primary data connection, while allowing for call handling) were well adhered to.

Unfortunate that the N900 was not the device for you, as it appears to not be the device for a number of people.

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I wouldn't mind another n900, I'd like to run mine at a heavily overclocked speed, but as nervous to go too far incase I kill it, if I had a spare, I could throw caution to the wind without feeling bad about learning how far you can push it.

So, anyone else wants to be disappointed, let me know, I'm still awe inspired by it.

Thought the N96, N97 and to some degree N97mini were failures so I held on to my N95 8gb until the 900 came out. I feel that it is an enthusiasts phone though, which is exactly what I wanted.

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Don't worry about it OP. I sold my N900 while ago and think it's the best things I've done in a while phone wise. Got an iPhone and love it. I jailbroke it today just to get Palm Pre style multitasking which works great.

The N900 is an experiment and will fade away soon. Get a HTC Desire
maybe. No more of your money to Nokia though.

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Me too.. I want another.. :) I have overclocked mine heavily and so far it was worked great (1000MHz). I use MyPaint and It is wonderful with new clock speed.

Nokia N900 + MyPaint is my main sketchbook.. and I do not want to lose it, ever. So everyone who is still disappointed to this great gadget, please send it to me. :p

Tone

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I know. Eventually the experiment will fade away and we'll all be buying vendor-owned, locked down phones we have to battle the manufacturer for control over.

I can't wait. </snark>

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On a second thought, are you selling your n900?

I want a second device to put that pr 1.2 leak in

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wow you joined this community just to say this ? then leave? what a waste of time

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I'd love to add our. "What a waste of our time."
But then... we're all actively participating here, aren't we? :D

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We could have helped you, but you didn't give us the chance.

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I love my N900 but sometimes certain aspects frustrate me. He is entitled to an opinion and he can't vent to Nokia so this does feel like the place to do it.

Having said that i hope he's not just a troll :p

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I must admit, I've never sent nor received any MMS in my life :D I don't even know anyone who ever used them. (May it be that MMS is not popular in Germany?)

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All i read on here is help me my phone has broken, keeps rebooting, all my files have gone, can't do this can't do that, won't switch on etc etc etc etc.

Damn waste of £500!

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De gustibus non est disputandum. But at the same time, who wants to take the time to process fruitless criticism? I've been so busy playing with all the possibilities in Easy Debian I've barely had time to think about what's in Maemo. I showed one of my business partners Gnumeric running on this thing and he looked like he was going to pitch his iPhone in the trash.

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Well I need to hear them (negative & positive comments) and I am a member of this community.

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Since he showed up and opined this after selling his phone, I'd classify him as a troll. No other way to take it really. Had he come here saying "I can't send MMS?!" and given the forum a chance to enlighten him that he can, that's one thing. To log on after he's sold the phone is kind of pointless, since even if we educate him about his mistake, it's too late. The phone is already sold.

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someone else bought the device without even researching it first?
there are 90% more apps than i need currently available in the repos!
i bought it to mod it to death, and i love it because of that
ANYthing else is a bonus!

edit: and MMS is history, no one used it anyway because of the costs, people were emailing pics and vids, and every network operator knows this, its why iphone ditched it, its why nokia ditched it, hell nokia saved you money doing this and gave you the tools (email integration) to still send pics and vids!
but still the small minds complain:rolleyes:

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I also don't so I have no problem with this:)

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There you go :) The guy who started this thread doesnt have any idea of what N900 is capable of but to be honest I don't think he cares about that. He just wants apps and MMS :D

Cant blame him though , N900 is not for everyone

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Consider that:
- This forum is a minority of all users
- Users without issues don't generally post
- Users with issues tend to get disproportionately loud

And suddenly you realize that the majority of users are probably having no issues and not posting about it here.

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Yes, because you always see people logging in that are totally happy with the phone to post things like "my phone is running great, week 27!" every week. The forum is a place to come to talk bout ideas and to ask for help with problems. ALL forums are like that, not just this one.

One thing you'll note here, is that unlike most forums (especially forums that don't have company people monitoring them) most of the threads you mention get resolved by the community helping the person out.

Usually it's user error that's caused it ("I only installed 300 apps from devel!"), which is more common when you're in an open architecture like the N900 (or PCs for that matter). People aren't used to being able to do things that can screw up their phones, since most of them until now have been closed architectures where the company prevents you from messing things up. The N900 is more flexible, and that comes with a cost in the form of a learning curve. Sadly many people who are writing negatively about the device simple refuse to apply themselves to do the minimal learning needed to use and care for the device.

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Users without issues but with knowledge also post to help someone who has issues :)

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Yup.. they are also called "masochists."

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I really liked this thread very interesting and enlightening and I learned a lot about myself and this community from the highly original original post.

I have a favor to ask the moderators, instead of letting these daily threads proliferate why not merge them together. I particularly like the title N900 graveyard. I have no problems with people *****ing and moaning about the N900, Nokia or Maemo community or any combination of those but to have to sift through threads is not necessary when we can have one sticky to contain them. An added benefit is if anyone is concerned about their use of N900 or purchase of N900 than can quickly read that single thread and see whether or not the device is for them by comparing their use cases to others who have sold/dumped/trashed their N900's.
Thanks

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This is off topic, but really it amazes me how many people make dumb choices off the cuff. I had an aunt that bought a car because the liked the color of the car and the stereo in it. Just this past week I had a friend who bought a new LG phone because it looked nice at the store. Then he came to me to ask how to move his contacts from his old phone (which was supported via BitPim). The new phone only supports push protocol via bluetooth, and has no other way to get data onto the phone, so there's no easy way to do it. 0 reseach, 100% bought on a whim based on how it looked.

(Further off topic: If anyone knows how to send a series of vcards programmatically via bluetooth on the N900 I'd love to know. :) )

I sometimes wonder how such people survive, and curse how wasteful they are. But then I remember without them most retail stores wouldn't exist, since they wouldn't be able to sell junk items at 80% mark-up because the box is pretty. So I think to myself, well, that's how things work, and I'm ahead of the game because I do the research in buying things and generally don't waste time and money later on replacing crappy things.

Welcome to the Walmart generation. :p

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I know girls buying a notebook because it was pink :D I see advertisements selling ringtones on MTV - who buys them?

There are more dumb people out there than you want to know! :)