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Emotionless: N900 User Quo vadis - What was/is/will be your next device? Any why?
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my new device is an HTC Desire running on Android 2.1 / HTC Sense and I won't switch back to the N900 (even though I still do think it is a great device and this is a great community). Why? When I first saw the specs of the N900 mid 2009 it looked to me like both a thouroughly engineered mobile phone/tablet platform and a perfect business tool. And even though I was turned down by Nokia Store's missing abilty to handle international credit card transactions (which automatically discarded my order from the waiting list at the very end of the waiting period) I eagerly managed to get hold of the N900 pretty early after its public availability. What I got then was an almost perfectly engineered device. Kudos to the responsible hardware designers @ Nokia. Great job. The software side of the device, however, was by far not as bright. Even though I am into Unix and Linux since more than 25 years now after 6 months of usage of the N900 as my single phone / tablet device I could not longer effort e.g.
Am I feeding the trolls? Not at all. Nokia had every chance but ... Where are you going to? |
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Put thread in competitors maybe?
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Why do you have to ask a loaded question? A better one would be "Are you happy with the N900?" .. but I know there's a thread already with nearly that exact title. It's a poll too. There's also threads nearly identical to this one.. like this. ETA: Ah hah, Found it. |
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Thread score: Two out of ten.
Excessive incoherence. Use of "emotionless" too creative. Points one and eight identical. You may rewrite and resubmit for passing grade. |
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Probably got shares in Apple or Google.
(even though I still do think it is a great device and this is a great community) Surely a case of damning with faint praise. Anyone who don't love the n900, is not a time served geek, just a nerd with their hand in the till. |
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Maybe a Nokia MeeGo device, and only of my n900 is broken or completely ou of date. I Could also imagine a HTC with android, but only in a few years.
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I think we've had similar threads before, HTC usually comes up close to the top. My next handset will almost certainly be Android, and if i could afford to change handset I'd definitely be in the HTC Desire boat by now. Money's tight at the moment so the n900 will keep me company for the meantime.
However there's a chance I'll be able to get one from work soon which would be pure win ofcourse, ie. business phone, no cost to me. I work for a mobile application company here in the UK and last week the company took the decision to drop Symbian and bring in more Android projects, we'll be moving forward focusing on Iphone and Android development. Some great Android handsets coming out in the next few months too so timing couldnt be better :) |
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Can't we just merge this with one of the other "I don't like my N900 and I must tell all of you" threads that gets made on a daily basis?
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Was: n800
Current: N900 Future (in three years): Android (or Meego if it's good) with a specific hardware set in mind. Won't need to carry a pocketable mobile computer once I am out of school. |
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* to be without a mobile phone after unforeseeable battery drains of the N900 in the middle of the day
Just keep a couple of pre charged batteries in your pocket, problem solved. * to wait for necessary prio 0 bug fixes for months But for me the fact that the n900 is not yet all that it promises makes it more exciting, bit like growing up really. * to do all the necessary micro-tweaking of the device Obviously you are a nerd, geeks love tweaking stuff and derive a great deal of pleasure from doing it. * to wait for the Ovi Store to contain meaningful apps for the N900 Don't make me laugh, you seem to have little insight as to why open source is a much more profound philosophy than closed source, how sad that you fail to understand how alchemy turned into chemistry. * to be a guinea pig for Nokia's market research Of all your comments this is the most ludicrous of all, perhaps you have forgotten that Nokia is the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in the world. * to wait for Nokia to come up with any kind of statement of direction / roadmap for the N900 / Hopefully Nokia can make inroads as to teaching us bumbling bipeds, what difference open source can make to the human condition, and believe me it has got a lot more to do with the way human society works than just IT. Maemo / MeeGo * to wait for Nokia to come up with a plan how to re-invent itself after it's n+1st business reorganization That is your only comment that I resonate with, I also fail to see why the market droids want to engineer a fork between Maemo, Meego and Debian, unless its the sad proclivity, for market droids to teach the controversy and thus divide and rule. * to be without a mobile phone after unforseeable battery drains of the N900 in the middle of the day see above. * tbc ... pass. |
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Points one and eight identical "by intention"?
In other words, you intended to say # to be without a mobile phone after unforseeable battery drains of the N900 in the middle of the day and follow it up with # to be without a mobile phone after unforseeable battery drains of the N900 in the middle of the day deliberately? Why? |
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I'm goin' to the stable to beat some more dead horses.
Because it's what we do here. |
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Obviously you doesnt want a perfect little computer, and you arent a geek (using linux for 25 years=!be geek), its not your fault, i think you did good buying the desire, if it makes you happy its fine but....
Why whinning in N900 thread and not into the competitors zone? That say a lot of you :( |
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- I got exactly what I wanted...
- There is nothing else out there like it in the foreseeable future. - I never use it as my primary phone. - I have used the slide out keyboard about 4 times and usually just for easier access to a colon - I use it every day and have done so since December. *** After tweaking, hacking, playing. and trying different things what I now have is: - a decent PND that I have loaded with my own specialty POI's (specific to what I do, how, and where I do it) ... - A very good media player with over a 4,000 tunes, videos, radio stations, and podcasts filed the way I want them and that display or play how I want them to. - Instant access to web sites also the way I want them and when I want them. - SSH access to the whole shebang from my Windows desktop so I can learn and feel comfortable in a Linux environment without changing machines either virtually or physically. - Easy remote access and control to my ever expanding home and work networks (buy CSCO when it goes below 25) I see no real limits for what this device can do in the near future. I go through phones every 6 months or so and I replace them with the smallest pocket-able clamshell I can find that works on my network. I don't want the features that the N900 gives me on my phone. The fact that the N900 can be used as a phone is a bonus and should be expected from anything that uses a 3G connection... but I never intended for it to be my primary phone. - |
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I'm going to go for a walk, find some high ground, drop my trousers and piss into the wind.
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What in the world is up with all the agitprop on this site nowadays? There must be some serious stealth marketers looking to pick up business.
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The posts between yours and my last one are not clear on this as well. Hitting the "Quote & Reply" button before a post helps sometimes. :) If you are using the term in the classic way then I presume you are referring to my previous post as being along the "Nokia Party Line". If so... far from it. If there is anything I am a fanboi of it is this forum its own dang self. Although it is supported by Nokia, it has remained independent of their influence. On this forum is where I first became aware of what the N900 is and ain't. I then purchased it after first determining that it would suite my needs. I now contribute information on how it does just that. Unfortunately many may have bought the thing first, and then have come to this forum to complain about how it doesn't suite their needs. That doesn't hurt my feelings none as the purchase price is good motivation to learn. :) Many will learn and contribute and that's a good thing. However, those who can't or wont learn make a lot of noise before they either pass out or move on. :p To tolerate this noise you have to filter out or squawk the BS. In doing so you may also get an indication as to why some have a problem with the device. The forum system works if you pay attention. For instance: Code:
POST: "I'm going to piss into the wind"WTF? :eek: And then: This is a very good illustration of how some people have trouble understanding even simple things that can be explained precisely with only one dang sentence. :) |
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Despite its dramatic/communist associations, any propoganda that attempts to sway opinion by means of creating dissention and rift in a way that gives the appearance of being merely unintentional, is agitprop. Hence, I'm using it here in the more modern and common sense of the term, and not the oft-seen "first dictionary definition" sense. Actually, it dismays me that the word doesn't get more usage, seeing as how much agitprop we are all bombarded with in our time (I'm a North American, so I speak primarily from a US perspective, but I presume all people are subject to it in this day and age of media saturation). Here's a link or two to get you more formally acquainted with this fine word, one which you otherwise are already familiar with, so it seems! http://www.websters-online-dictionar.../agitprop.html (check the "specialty definition" - there's nothing really "special" about it in this day and age, though, but then again, that's probably just the way The Man likes it!) http://www.wordnik.com/words/agitprop/examples (Some - admittedly lame - examples) And as a bonus, please let me remind you that I also associated your original post with the term stealth marketing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_marketing Happy propagandizing, friend! 8^) |
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...and thanks for all them dandy links to dictionaries and whatnot but could you please link to or at least quote my post where you believe I am doing whatever it is you think I'm doing and please post why you think so. I'm a simple guy so please use simple words. I can communicate in several languages but again, only as a simple guy. Savvy? What I think you are implying is that I am somehow "buzz marketing" or shilling in someway for Nokia. Is this correct? If so, you have hurt my feelings somewhat. I'll provide you with a link to perhaps invite you to consider otherwise. Fortunately our forum has an app for that >> HERE << Start at the beginning and see how our hero was educated right on this here forum. :) You sound like you may not be getting all that you can out of your device. Perhaps like me you are primarily a Windows user. You also sound as if you have some understanding of how things work. If so, the best thing you can do is install a program like ExpanDrive on your Windows machine, install Openssh on your N900, establish an ssh connection and then get in there and poke around. Go to places like N900:\usr\share\applications\hildon open a few desktop files in a clean text editor and see how things are done. Make your own pointing to a favorite web page: Code:
[Desktop Entry]Use some of that common sense you speak of and have fun... Did ya see what I did there? I gave you links to information found on this forum... Also: As I said earlier, I'm a simple guy so in the future if you're going to call me something, please use a simple word that has a well defined meaning in the western language of your choice. (Where I have learned the meanings of some of the things I've been called in the past. :p If it is going to be nasty, I prefer Italian because even the nasty stuff somehow sounds poetic in Italian.) This will save us both some time. :) Edit:: I realize that I just spent a lot of time preparing a useful post in response to someone who basically called me out because I didn't agree or posted contrary to whatever his views are. Although I did get to read why he thinks obscure terms first used in Russia in the early part of the last century are "common sense" and should be used more often. I didn't actually understand his point. My response was more for the good of the forum and to provide support for my statement that I didn't think I was going to find anything as easy to modify to suite my needs in the near future. This by no means was designed to make me out as some kind of forum "Albert Schweitzer". I could have just as easily gone "Philadelphia" on his *** and reserve all rights to do so in the future, as required. :) |
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Here you are, the content of your original post that I am addressing, albeit editied for purposes of length and removal of needless redundant message. Quote:
In order for me to simplify things for you, maybe you will allow me to quote another user who I think hits the nail right on the head in his/her analysis. That user writes: Quote:
Loaded question, Loaded language Both of these concepts, I might add, are forms of overtly persuasive language, and when used for a particular purpose, can be considered as propoganda. So, whether you are truly as disingenuous as you are presenting yourself to be, or not, you should still understand that a) coming onto a message board that exists for the purpose of providing a forum for a particular product, and to then b) proceed to discredit that product, and to then c) espouse a competitor's product, and to d) subsequently implore that the users of said forum should seriously consider abandoning their particular product, in favor of the product you are espousing: all of this amounts to shilling (yes, good word! but not for Nokia, you big silly! rather for the competitor's product, isn't it obvious?). To summarize today's lesson: you are quite possibly shilling for a competitor using a technique known as stealth marketing by introducing agitprop to demoralize and confuse forum users, using a method known as loaded language. Class dismissed! |
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wont have any money ot spend on a phone till september so im going to see whats out then, if Nokia have got their arse in gear I'll stick with them. But as great as the maemo community is I feel like im starting to loose faith in my n900; it's a great phone with awesome potential but atm it's seemingly heading towards a dead end. If this wasnt the case then there wouldnt be so many of these threads.
I have had a Nokia since the 3310, every phone ive had since has been a nokia, ive had an N95, N95 8GB, N96, N97 (which I sold to help pay for the N900) but if I see no improvment I will be jumping ship to android. |
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i will, of course, buy the first harmattan device they make available in my country. why shouldn't i? i had the 770, N800, N810, N900... and all are great. there's no reason to believe the next iteration will not be as good.
as a phone, once my current one breaks, a decent nokia C-series device will do. good battery life, symbian, no touch screen, numeric keypad. C5 if they dont have something better until then. |
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Uwe is doing the propaganda, yes. YoDude - OTOH (who asked that question, and who I think you wrongfully directed the "you") - has not that I've seen. I think you're confusing names ;). |
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So the only question left to ask is, Why was YoDude so adamantly defensive regarding my "agitprop" remark? His was response #15, and mine was response #19. I would have assumed that by not quoting the OP, it was understood that I was replying to the thread's main intent, and not responding to anyone's response in particular. It is indeed odd that YoDude chose my comment to focus on as a potential reply to his own response - I can se no clear reason for that. Oh well, I admit being confused, but only by someone who is themself confused. :rolleyes: I promise I will try and do better next time. And thank you, fatalsaint, for calling my attention to my error. ...so Uwe, all that bit about agitprop and stealth marketing and loaded language, that was for your benefit. Enjoy, then, I hope you read up on it! |
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Reading may be fundamental but comprehension is a whole 'nother matter. :) This is a threaded conversation that can have contributions from multiple parties. My post was about how confusing some of these responses are if we don't extend the courtesy to all forum members by quoting the post we are referring to. I even asked you if I was the one you were replying to. Your pretentious use of an obscure word to describe a behavior caused me to look up all the possible definitions including ones from the words root language to see how they may have applied to my post. (Yes HellFlyer. Мы все товарищи ... but some apparently don't know this. :p ) I offered an explanation of how one definition may have been used and how I thought that it may have been misapplied. You responded with more confusion based BS but stated that it was me you were referring to and then accused me of posting BS. When I asked for a quote you did quote me but gave it someone else's byline. :rolleyes: How do you do that by freakin' accident? When someone else called you on it you imply that I was the confused one. :eek: ... and you still refuse to use the quote tool and referred to my post by thread number. Which BTW means jack **** if any previous post gets deleted later or the thread is split or merged with another. Please take the time to familiarize yourself with how a forum works best. |
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I usually just ignore threads about the Desire and similar devices, but this one lured me in. And the title is a trick - 'what was/is/will be your next device' is not appropriate for another N900 bashing.
I'm glad you people like the Desire. It is a great, great device. I really mean it. Now go to Android forums and say how much you disliked the N900 and how HTC came to your rescue. Please. Stop. Boring. Everyone. Here. And don't cover your N900 bashing threads with thread titles like these. I mean, what's next. A topic entitled "What apps do you use on your N900" which continues into "....None! Because it sucks! I got me a Desire! It rocks!" Lame. Really lame. Now, to answer the question in the title (pretending it was an honest question instead of an excuse to bash the N900): My next device will be, if all goes well, the harmattan device, the N9, or whatever it will be called. I am not a programmer, I do not use the terminal, and I still think Maemo/MeeGo will be my OS of choice. True multitasking, easy task switching, Qt possibilities, Nokia learning its lessons with the N900, Carl Zeiss, large storage - all the reasons I will go for the N9. It will have a great new UX with a capacitive screen. And really, what's with all these hate threads? I mean, we read it all before. Numerous times. Now, I'm not into conspiracies, but, this seems less spontaneous each day. Symbian lobby trying to sabotage the Maemo/MeeGo camp? :) |
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I've made myself clear, my post was four posts away from yours, and the 20th post in the entire thread - why on earth would you make the connection that I was speaking to you directly? Why, for that matter, you instead of any of the other previous 19 posts? Let alone the original post?! No, I'm sorry, it was my mistake to connect a direct address to me and my words to what might have been (ought to have been?) the Original Poster, seeking to defend his post. Again, my apologies. I hereby recuse myself from this discussion, prior statements notwithstanding. |
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You made a mistake either admit it, apologize to me, and move on or if you feel it is beneath you to do so then just STFU, will ya. Did you bother to even read my post? I said IF and asked you directly. Your answer should have been no at that point. Since you have a thing about numbers why don't we go to my first post in this thread and re-read my opening statement together shall we: Quote:
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The answer to your question is simple my misguided friend... I wasn't "defensive" or "adament". I asked for clarity. I stated I was confused in my first post because you and others were not quoting what your drive by, one line posts were refering to. Again, this ain't twitter bubba. A forum thread is like an application sub routine where many contribute lines of code. These BS, one line responses are what has to be weeded out in order to close loops and whatnot if anyone is to make sence of it later. These loops can easily be closed and nested by each contributor if they simply used the quote & reply function, That's why it's there! Lets finish reading my first post in this thread together again, Shall we? Quote:
Thats all I have. You ask us to agree that your mind is "Remarkable" for being so confused that you ignored the facts and later find me "odd" for stating them. :rolleyes: If the Jesuit dungeon masters and their large penguin jailers who drilled Latin into my pubescent brain were successful your Ad hominem statement indicates that you feel that I am attacking you! :eek: I stated that you were perhaps confused and misguided. You on the other hand used big words to incorrectly call me an agitator, provocateur; then defensive, aggressive, and odd. And no matter who you were "talking" to, your tone was very patronizing and condescending. I learned a lot about you fella and have adjusted the squelch accordingly. I just don't know if you are a Jedi Master of passive aggressiveness or perhaps you just sling this crap because you like thinking it makes sense. It doesn't really matter at this point. I don't care. Please use the forum tools provided and we can all avoid this crap. *** I hope that Popcorn didn't get cold gerbick. :D EDIT: Actually it was my second post in this thread I was referring to above and not my first. I apologize for any further confusion this may have caused anyone who might care at this point. :) |
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There is no device now available for me better than my N900.
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Mine for sure is gonna be N901.. or what ever the next will be. I love this piece of crap, even whitout PR1.2 it works great for me. :cool: |
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Mine will be the Flat Earth 5483G
http://sniffpetrol.com/wp-content/up...Earthphone.jpg Courtesy of Sniff Petrol The small print is a killer :) |
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Because my N900 will be so worn out by then. EDIT: I just noticed that I can add tags to this thread! :D I don't know why can't I add "worst thread ever"... :( |
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